Zambrano for A-Rod . . . would ya?

[Warpticon]

call me crazy but

 

cano

soriano

lee

aram

arod

jones

murton

barrett

 

would be a killer offense.

 

Clearly, you're a Cano fan, as this is the third post I've seen from you in the last five minutes promoting acquiring him. Let me ask you this, then; what possible reason would the Yankees have for trading Cano? Moreover, what could the Cubs offer that would justify the trade in the Yankees' eyes?

 

I like Cano, but his absolute refusal to walk does concern me, and he's not likely to hit .342 every year, so when he has a more normal batting average, his OBP would be closer to his pedestrian .342 career number. He's probably not worth what it would take to get him, given his age, his popularity, and his production to cost ratio.

[UMFan83]

You don't trade aces. They are just too hard to acquire through trades and FA. Thats the Yankees problem. They can sign and trade for all the hitters in the world, but any pitcher they try to acquire is going to have issues.

 

Z wants to stay in Chicago, the fans love him, he loves the fans and the city. I am going to say that there is no way this happens, and if this is even rumored Jim Hendry should lose his job.

[CubinNY]

The Cubs should offer a package like this: (and nothing more)

 

Hill and pay all of A-Rod's contrac

 

Any two ML ready starters not named Hill, Prior or Zambraon and pay 10 Million of A-Rod's contract

 

Pie and ML ready starter not named Hill, Prior, or Zambrano and pay 10 Million of A-Rod's contract.

 

They got him for Soriano and got the Rangers to pay for a chunck of his contract.

 

The Yankees have no leverage here. The Cubs should not have to sell high to get him. If the Yankees are asking for more, they don't really want to deal him.

 

Hendry needs to be smart here. A-Rod is persona non-grata in NY.

 

Edit: If the Yankees want one of the middle reilivers in the deal they can have their pick. They are a dime a dozen.

Edited October 17, 2006 by CubinNY

[soccer10k]

Absolutely do not trade Zambrano.

[Productive Outs]

call me crazy but

 

cano

soriano

lee

aram

arod

jones

murton

barrett

 

would be a killer offense.

 

Clearly, you're a Cano fan, as this is the third post I've seen from you in the last five minutes promoting acquiring him. Let me ask you this, then; what possible reason would the Yankees have for trading Cano? Moreover, what could the Cubs offer that would justify the trade in the Yankees' eyes?

 

I like Cano, but his absolute refusal to walk does concern me, and he's not likely to hit .342 every year, so when he has a more normal batting average, his OBP would be closer to his pedestrian .342 career number. He's probably not worth what it would take to get him, given his age, his popularity, and his production to cost ratio.

 

This is an excerpt from BP's Player Profile on Cano:

 

Cano's 19.9% line drive rate leads one to assume that his BABIP should be roughly .319l--right around where his 2005 BABIP lies, and in line with both years of batted-ball data. To make things even more interesting, if you subtract the .044 difference between his estimated BABIP and his actual, his season line is .298/.321/.481; almost exactly like his 2005 line, with a pinch more power thrown in.

 

As previously stated, there’s a very good chance that Cano just has balls landing in the right spots this year, whereas last year everything was fairly normal. There hasn’t really been any change in his pitchers per plate appearance, so Cano most likely isn’t waiting around for a particular pitch to whack.

 

His BABIP was .363 this year. He would have to dramatically increase is walk rate for me to be interested.

Edited October 17, 2006 by Productive Outs

[Mephistopheles]

No. I mean jesus our pitcher would blow

[Abe Frohman]

To be honest, there isn't anyone in the game that I can think of that would be more desirable to me than Zambrano.

 

Alex Rodriguez would be about #2 in line behind Zambrano. I wouldn't trade El Toro for anyone.

[Andy]

Carlos Zambrano has probably the single highest trade value in the game of baseball, save perhaps Liriano or Papelbon.

[UMFan83]

Carlos Zambrano has probably the single highest trade value in the game of baseball, save perhaps Liriano or Papelbon.

 

Despite what I just said about how hard it is to acquire an ace, I think Pujols would carry a higher trade value too.

[gerby23]

No, just no

[Mizzou]

Carlos Zambrano has probably the single highest trade value in the game of baseball, save perhaps Liriano or Papelbon.

There's no way that's true. Off the top of my head I'd take Johan Santana, Miguel Cabrera, Albert Pujols, and David Wright straight up for Zambrano. And probably a handful of others too.

 

But not ARod.

[soccer10k]

Carlos Zambrano has probably the single highest trade value in the game of baseball, save perhaps Liriano or Papelbon.

 

Maybe out of pitchers. But not if you include hitters as well.

[Mephistopheles]

Carlos Zambrano has probably the single highest trade value in the game of baseball, save perhaps Liriano or Papelbon.

That's simply not true. A guy like John Lackey may be an inferior pitcher to Zambrano, but his trade value is higher because he's two years away from free agency and Zambrano is only one year away.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Cubs should offer a package like this: (and nothing more)

 

Hill and pay all of A-Rod's contrac

 

Any two ML ready starters not named Hill, Prior or Zambraon and pay 10 Million of A-Rod's contract

 

Pie and ML ready starter not named Hill, Prior, or Zambrano and pay 10 Million of A-Rod's contract.

 

They got him for Soriano and got the Rangers to pay for a chunck of his contract.

 

The Yankees have no leverage here. The Cubs should not have to sell high to get him. If the Yankees are asking for more, they don't really want to deal him.

 

Hendry needs to be smart here. A-Rod is persona non-grata in NY.

 

Edit: If the Yankees want one of the middle reilivers in the deal they can have their pick. They are a dime a dozen.

 

Completely agreed, I think the Yankees are a lot more desperate to deal A-Rod then they're letting on. I'd pick up all of his contract in any trade though. The payroll's been upped, and I'd rather pay in money in the trade than pay in talent.

[Balsa]

No, no, no, and a thousand times no.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

No way.

[Andy]

Carlos Zambrano has probably the single highest trade value in the game of baseball, save perhaps Liriano or Papelbon.

There's no way that's true. Off the top of my head I'd take Johan Santana, Miguel Cabrera, Albert Pujols, and David Wright straight up for Zambrano. And probably a handful of others too.

 

But not ARod.

I seem to like pitchers more than you and Soccer, but that's ok. I will say I'd take Pujols/Cabrera for Z, should've remembered that.

[Rob]

I'd do Zambrano and Pie for ARod, Hughes, and Tabata... though I sincerely doubt the Yankees would bite on that one.

[AllStarMe]

Z is far more valuable to the Cubs than the Yankees for one simple reason- Pitchers don't hit in the AL.

[NorthsideAvenger]

First: No, I wouldn't trade Z for ARod.

Second: I don't think the Yankees will ask for Zambrano, cause they know the Cubs will say no, but the Yanks are going to want a comparable caliber pitcher. Ie Three team trade is most likely.

Third: If you make the trade, not only do you have replace one starter, but perhaps two maybe three. So you trade Z, you HAVE to get either Matsusaka and/or Schmidt and/or Zito. So unless you think the Cubs will pony up enought to land two of three top pitchers and land ARod, I find it doubtfull. To be honest, the Cubs would have to involved a team like the Marlins (Willis) or the Braves (Smoltz) to make the trade work.

[NCCubFan]

Short answer: No.

 

Long answer: Absolutely not, no way Jose, not in a million years.

[Guest]

which player do you think has a greater probability of collapse in the next three years? if money were equal, this would be a tough call for me. but then, I am fairly pessimistic about Zambrano's future due to his abuse at a young age.

[mhuber92211]

ABSOLUTELY. This is a no brainer. trade Zambrano for the best player in MLB. Of course you would. Arod would mean mor in win shares then Zambrano hands down, if not for the simple reason that he plays more then once a week. 35 starts versus 155 games played & 500 ABs.

 

I think people forget the value that is Arod. We are talking about a MVP 2 seasons ago and a follow up season that was better then any current Cub.

 

Sometimes, the fans get too attached to a player and not see the value of not having him is. The opportunity cost of not Having Zambrano versus not having Arod is a HUGE disparity.

 

Is Zambrano one of the top 5 pitchers in the game. Simple anser NO. Is Arod one of the top 5 positional players inthe game? Simple answer YES. Do you really need to get more detailed?

 

The only other question is if it is easier to Replace Zambrano then it would be to get Arod Production. Again, NO Cub came close to Arod last season in what was a down year for him. The closest was Aram. Now looking at Zambrano, some Cubs came somewhat close to his production and many other pitcher had similar numbers to Zambrano.

 

It is entirely possible to trade Z for Arod and still sign Schimdt or Zito. Which would you rather have, Z & Zito or Arod and Zito?

 

really, it isn't that hard of a question. Zambrano isn't as good as we think he is. Think of 5 other pitchers that are better then Zambrano. I bet you can think of them within 1 minute. Now try to think of 5 better players then Arod... Can;t happen. TRADE ZAMBRANO FOR AROD!

[Mephistopheles]

Except when you realize that the Cubs would be in the market for 3 starters if they trade Z.

[goonys evil twin]

ABSOLUTELY. This is a no brainer. trade Zambrano for the best player in MLB. Of course you would. Arod would mean mor in win shares then Zambrano hands down, if not for the simple reason that he plays more then once a week. 35 starts versus 155 games played & 500 ABs.

 

I think people forget the value that is Arod.

 

You are confusing what ARod was and what he is now. For one, he's damaged goods. Two, he's not near the player he was at his peak. And three, it's not even certain he could play SS after 3 years away from the position.

 

ARod's OPS+ in NY was 133, 167 and 140. He is now past 30, past his prime, and in decline. He's still great, but he's no longer the greatest player in the game. And he never will be again, more likely than not. Pujols is far more productive. Miguel Cabrera is already more productive, and will continue to put some distance between himself and ARod.

 

I'd trade Zambrano for Cabrera, because Miggy is a pre-prime stud. ARod is a post-prime stud. His best years are behind him, and you don't trade young aces for guys whose best years are behind them.