ny daily news: torre to be fired, piniella to take over

[KingCubsFan]

Anyone want to take a guess on who will be the first Chicago columnist to say the Cubs "blew it" by waiting too long to hire Piniella? I'm going to go with Mariotti

[VanceJergins]

If what the NY papers are saying is true, then I say Hendry needs to move quickly and hire Joe Torre. I also like Torre's coaching staff as well.

 

Tell me why you would want Joe Torre managing this team? The guy has had an all star team for the past 6 years and has won 1 WS. He was an average to below average manager before the Yankees, just ask St Louis fans how they feel about him. Plain and simple Joe Torre is not a very good manager, and would be a terrible choice for the Cubs. Please retire Joe.

 

He's had an all-star line-up, but nowhere near an all-star team. That starting pitching is awful and the bullpen is even worse except for Rivera. Torre doesnt over-use pitchers, and he stresses patience. In his post game interview after I think the second game he said something about "we tried to push their starter past 100 pitchers as we always do". He likes OBP and doesnt give up outs (that might just be because he had an all-star lineup, I'm not sure).

 

The only reason I wouldnt really want Torre is because he would probably cost a lot, and an impact player would be more valuable IMO.

 

I think the failures in NY have more to do with the organization not realizing that 45 year old, washed up, 15 million dollar pitchers isnt the best way to build a staff.

 

EDIT: Oh yeah, and because A-Rod isnt clutch *jumps in bunker*

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

Keener98 wrote: "Tell me why you would want Joe Torre managing this team? The guy has had an all star team for the past 6 years and has won 1 WS. He was an average to below average manager before the Yankees, just ask St Louis fans how they feel about him. Plain and simple Joe Torre is not a very good manager, and would be a terrible choice for the Cubs. Please retire Joe".

 

For one thing Keener, he would be a big draw, not only with possible free agents wanting to come here to play (I think he has the respect of many ballplayers), but marketablity wise, he would be a big draw at the ticket office, among other things. And as been said earlier, I don't think it's fair to singleout Torre for all of the Yankees' troubles. Heck, he might even manage better on the Northside, without all that pressure he was under in NY with Steinbrenner.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Anyone want to take a guess on who will be the first Chicago columnist to say the Cubs "blew it" by waiting too long to hire Piniella? I'm going to go with Mariotti

 

I say Mariotti, also. We also know, that the NSBB.com spokeperson who works for a Chicago area newpaper won't be writing that article.

[Banedon]

Rubenstein said Steinbrenner was not going to comment on a report in the New York Daily News that manager Joe Torre likely will be fired and replaced by Lou Piniella.

 

Not exactly a vote of confidence.

[Yeti]

Piniella has denied that he has spoken to the Yankees, as per fox sports on the card/pad pre-game show

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

May have been covered before I post this, but do you think there is a chance Girardi goes to NY?

[Roast]

May have been covered before I post this, but do you think there is a chance Girardi goes to NY?

 

Girardi was a yankee, i wonder what his relationship is like with the boss?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

May have been covered before I post this, but do you think there is a chance Girardi goes to NY?

 

Girardi was a yankee, i wonder what his relationship is like with the boss?

 

There was a quote from Don Zimmer that showed that Steinbrenner didn't like Girardi.

 

They probably don't want to fire Torre and then hire a Torre disciple like Girardi.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I read an article that implied that Torre isn't as good a manager without Zimmer as the bench coach.

[SouthSideRyan]

I read an article that implied that Torre isn't as good a manager without Zimmer as the bench coach.

 

I always heard that Zimmer was a glorified mascot as Yankee bench coach.

[Keener98]

Keener98 wrote: "Tell me why you would want Joe Torre managing this team? The guy has had an all star team for the past 6 years and has won 1 WS. He was an average to below average manager before the Yankees, just ask St Louis fans how they feel about him. Plain and simple Joe Torre is not a very good manager, and would be a terrible choice for the Cubs. Please retire Joe".

 

For one thing Keener, he would be a big draw, not only with possible free agents wanting to come here to play (I think he has the respect of many ballplayers), but marketablity wise, he would be a big draw at the ticket office, among other things. And as been said earlier, I don't think it's fair to singleout Torre for all of the Yankees' troubles. Heck, he might even manage better on the Northside, without all that pressure he was under in NY with Steinbrenner.

 

Yea we heard that Baker was a big draw for free agents to, and how many top notch free agents came to the Cubs while he was here? And the statement about Torre being a big draw in the ticket office and that is a reason the Cubs should hire him is absolutely ridiculous. The Cubs sell out every year regardless of who the manager is. And the managers "marketabillity" should have no bearing on whether the Cubs hire him or not. Torre underachieved while in New York, and he led St Louis into the ground while there. I never said the Yanks troubles were all Torres fault, but with the teams hes had they should have more WS championships. And as for him managing better on the northside without the pressure, thats ridiculous as well. Lets all hope and pray Torre retires, because he is vastly overrated as a manager.

[Balsa]

Piniella has denied that he has spoken to the Yankees, as per fox sports on the card/pad pre-game show

 

Uh-oh. :(

[NorthsideAvenger]

Piniella has denied that he has spoken to the Yankees, as per fox sports on the card/pad pre-game show

 

Uh-oh. :(

 

Personally, I think Piniella has already sign on to be the manager (we all know Piniella is a personal favorite of Steinbrenners) and I am think the Yankees are waiting for the right moment to make the announcement, to try and "control the PR" over such unpopular move. And we know when Torre is fired, it will be a UNPOPULAR move.

[RonSanto4HOF]

Wouldn't it be odd if Torre becomes a bench coach for Girardi? I could see that happening somewhere.

[cl smooth]

he would be a big draw, not only with possible free agents wanting to come here to play (I think he has the respect of many ballplayers), but marketablity wise, he would be a big draw at the ticket office, among other things.

 

i don't know about other fans of the game, but i sure as hell do not drop $$$ on baseball tickets to see a manager. i go to see good baseball, my favorite players and (perhaps) a cubs win...i don't go to the ballpark to check out joe torre or dusty baker sitting in the dugout with their poker face on and wait for them to make a pitching change.

[goonys evil twin]

May have been covered before I post this, but do you think there is a chance Girardi goes to NY?

 

I have a feeling that if they fired Torre, they would go in a different direction than simply hiring a former Torre disciple. And I wouldn't be surprised if Girardi wanted to stay clear of that situation as well. There's very little upside to being a Yankees manager. Torre won 4 rings, and has been in the playoffs every year, but half the Yankees audience can't stand him. Girardi would have to win multiple rings to even have the chance to survive a season without a World Series.

[biittner77]

What's the over/ under on seasons before Piniella gets fired as Yankees manager? I'm guessing 2 1/2.

[CubsInNC]

What's the over/ under on seasons before Piniella gets fired as Yankees manager? I'm guessing 2 1/2.

 

I'd say depends.

 

With A-Rod: 2 (getting beat in playoffs after both years)

Without A-Rod: 1.5 (sub-.500)

[VanceJergins]

What's the over/ under on seasons before Piniella gets fired as Yankees manager? I'm guessing 2 1/2.

 

I'd say depends.

 

With A-Rod: 2 (getting beat in playoffs after both years)

Without A-Rod: 1.5 (sub-.500)

 

Theres no way the Yankees will be under .500 even without ARod.

[BigbadB]

What's the over/ under on seasons before Piniella gets fired as Yankees manager? I'm guessing 2 1/2.

 

I'd say depends.

 

With A-Rod: 2 (getting beat in playoffs after both years)

Without A-Rod: 1.5 (sub-.500)

 

Theres no way the Yankees will be under .500 even without ARod.

 

I wouldn't say there's no way. The AL East gets tougher each year. If Tejada is successful in luring Soriano and Baltimore could land Jason Schmidt, they could be a pretty good team in '07. Toronto isn't a slouch. Boston is always a threat and Tampa just needs to find some arms to go with their continually improving offense.

 

Meanwhile, NY continues to get older. Bernie Williams, Gary Sheffield, Mike Mussina, Randy Johnson could all be gone.

 

Zito and Schmidt both seem to prefer the west coast. Not really sure what FA's the Yankees might pursue and land this offseason. It's all about pitching for them, and there isn't much out there.

[goonys evil twin]

What's the over/ under on seasons before Piniella gets fired as Yankees manager? I'm guessing 2 1/2.

 

I'd say depends.

 

With A-Rod: 2 (getting beat in playoffs after both years)

Without A-Rod: 1.5 (sub-.500)

 

Theres no way the Yankees will be under .500 even without ARod.

 

I wouldn't say there's no way. The AL East gets tougher each year. If Tejada is successful in luring Soriano and Baltimore could land Jason Schmidt, they could be a pretty good team in '07. Toronto isn't a slouch. Boston is always a threat and Tampa just needs to find some arms to go with their continually improving offense.

 

Meanwhile, NY continues to get older. Bernie Williams, Gary Sheffield, Mike Mussina, Randy Johnson could all be gone.

 

Zito and Schmidt both seem to prefer the west coast. Not really sure what FA's the Yankees might pursue and land this offseason. It's all about pitching for them, and there isn't much out there.

 

Abreu, Jeter, Matsui, Posada, Cano, Damon, Giambi is still a formidable lineup. Rivera is still a stud in relief, and all they need are a couple innings eating pitchers to keep them well over .500.

 

All this failure talk about the Yankees fails to take into account the fact that they've won almost 600 games the last 6 years, including 4 postseason series. The playoffs are a crapshoot. Billy Beane didn't say my "stuff" doesn't work in the playoffs because he couldn't construct a good playoff team. He said it because you build the best team you can in hopes of winning 90+ over a 162 game season. There's no predicting what will happen in a 5 game series. This isn't a team on decline. They will have a lot of money to spend on replacing some of their aging vets. And I bet they find enough guys to keep them well over .500 for the foreseeable future.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

More interesting comments from the Boss about Torre.

 

Link

 

Steinbrenner said, "We will see what happens" when queried about Torre's future. When asked about why he is waiting to make a decision, The Boss responded, "I am going to think it over." Steinbrenner said, "No, I don't have to" give Torre a vote of confidence.

 

[VanceJergins]

What's the over/ under on seasons before Piniella gets fired as Yankees manager? I'm guessing 2 1/2.

 

I'd say depends.

 

With A-Rod: 2 (getting beat in playoffs after both years)

Without A-Rod: 1.5 (sub-.500)

 

Theres no way the Yankees will be under .500 even without ARod.

 

I wouldn't say there's no way. The AL East gets tougher each year. If Tejada is successful in luring Soriano and Baltimore could land Jason Schmidt, they could be a pretty good team in '07. Toronto isn't a slouch. Boston is always a threat and Tampa just needs to find some arms to go with their continually improving offense.

 

Meanwhile, NY continues to get older. Bernie Williams, Gary Sheffield, Mike Mussina, Randy Johnson could all be gone.

 

Zito and Schmidt both seem to prefer the west coast. Not really sure what FA's the Yankees might pursue and land this offseason. It's all about pitching for them, and there isn't much out there.

 

I think the Yankees being under .500 is possible in the "anything's possible" sort of way. But I wasnt just saying that their current roster minus A-Rod would be just fine. They're the Yankees and they'll be after all the top FA's. And if they were minus A-Rod that would mean that they traded him and I'm sure they'd get something pretty valuable for him. And like goony said, they'll still have a lineup with Damon, Abreu, Matsui, Posada, Cano, Giambi, Jeter. I see very very little chance they're not significantly better than .500 even if they trade ARod.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

Keener and cl smooth, with regards to my comments I made about "marketabillity"... No, that's not the main reason that I would hire him, every serious Cub fan knows it about wins and losses. Marketbility and ticket sales is just icing on the cake. And yes, if you look at Torre's record, there has been a decline in the Yankees' winning percentage the last couple of years. But despite all that, he does bring a lot to the table. The hiring of Torre woul create a lot of excitement. If signing Torre is not a possibility, then hire Girardi. Brenly is my third choice. Say no to Piniella and Bochy.