just so we're on the same page regarding Dusty....

[bring stone back]

If we're in the same exact situation as last night (late innings, bases loaded, no outs) and Barrett pinch hits for Blanco and grounds into a double play Dusty is an idiot again, right? Just making sure....

 

I don't visit this site that much but I have not seen a complaint about Hendry, Dusty or Neifi in the last page or two and want to make sure the haters here maintain their integrity.

 

I know we're 4-1 and all seems to be going well, but I'd rather see the constant complainers come out and remain consistent at least. At times I think people on this site would almost rather see Neifi strike out in a tight spot or Baker push the "wrong button" so they can tell the rest of us how bad they suck and how they were right all along.

[USSoccer]

If we're in the same exact situation as last night (late innings, bases loaded, no outs) and Barrett pinch hits for Blanco and grounds into a double play Dusty is an idiot again, right? Just making sure....

 

I don't visit this site that much but I have not seen a complaint about Hendry, Dusty or Neifi in the last page or two and want to make sure the haters here maintain their integrity.

 

I know we're 4-1 and all seems to be going well, but I'd rather see the constant complainers come out and remain consistent at least. At times I think people on this site would almost rather see Neifi strike out in a tight spot or Baker push the "wrong button" so they can tell the rest of us how bad they suck and how they were right all along.

 

Baker has generally managed well thus far. We'll see if he rides certain relievers too hard, or keeps his lineups as sane as he has thus far. I think that, even if the Barrett move on Saturday doesn't work out, it's still pressing the right button, wheras if he had put, say, Pagan up there, or Hairston, it wouldn't have been.

[stitchface]

Seems to me Barrett hitting for Blanco was the right move and should be applauded. So was this post of yours simply to try to flame people who question Dusty's moves? I think most people are pretty happy with the way things have gone so far. Perhaps people aren't as dogmatic as you think - give them a chance maybe?

[rocket]

Baker is still a below average manager. If the Cubs win the World Series, he'll still be a below average manager.

 

Happy?

 

If the Cubs are winning, that probably means people are feeling positive, and feel that it's less necessary to call out Dusty. It doesn't mean he's improved or that he's good, but if the Cubs are winning, why ruin that good mood by reminding ourselves we have a pretty bad manager?

Edited April 11, 2006 by rocket

[Roast]

so they can tell the rest of us how bad they suck and how they were right all along.

 

...I see....

 

Is this similar to certain members waiting untill we have a few good games in a row to tell the "haters" how right they were all along?

[USSoccer]

Baker is still a below average manager. If the Cubs win the World Series, he'll still be a below average manager.

 

Happy?

 

If the Cubs are winning, that probably means people are feeling positive, and feel that it's less necessary to call out Dusty. It doesn't mean he's improved or that he's good, but if the Cubs are winning, why ruin that good mood by reminding ourselves we have a pretty bad manager?

 

What Rocket said. There is a difference between managing some good games, and being a good manager. 5 games does not a season make.

[abuck1220]

you know what i see here as much as complaints about dusty, hendry, or neifi? people complaining about people complaining about dusty, hendry, or neifi.

[SouthSideRyan]

*pass*

[Andy]

so they can tell the rest of us how bad they suck and how they were right all along.

 

...I see....

 

Is this similar to certain members waiting untill we have a few good games in a row to tell the "haters" how right they were all along?

=D> =D> =D>

[Laura]

If we're in the same exact situation as last night (late innings, bases loaded, no outs) and Barrett pinch hits for Blanco and grounds into a double play Dusty is an idiot again, right? Just making sure....

 

I don't visit this site that much but I have not seen a complaint about Hendry, Dusty or Neifi in the last page or two and want to make sure the haters here maintain their integrity.

 

I know we're 4-1 and all seems to be going well, but I'd rather see the constant complainers come out and remain consistent at least. At times I think people on this site would almost rather see Neifi strike out in a tight spot or Baker push the "wrong button" so they can tell the rest of us how bad they suck and how they were right all along.

 

Apparently you missed this thread, among others.

 

If you have a point to make, make it. Don't play calling-out games when you weren't around to make your case earlier.

 

And BTW, Barrett wasn't pinch-hitting for Blanco last night.

[imb]

im pretty sure that if barrett pinch hits for blanco, that no matter what the outcome, it was the right move, so in conclusion i think you are drunk sir.

[soccer10k]

I think his point is that there are some people on this board that dislike Dusty so much that they are going to make a huge deal when Dusty makes a questionable move that doesn't work out but then when Dusty makes a move that does work out they don't give Dusty his due. If you are going to criticize Dusty when something goes wrong you have to applaud him when something goes right.

[rocket]

If you are going to criticize Dusty when something goes wrong you have to applaud him when something goes right.

 

No you don't. It's his job to make correct moves.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think his point is that there are some people on this board that dislike Dusty so much that they are going to make a huge deal when Dusty makes a questionable move that doesn't work out but then when Dusty makes a move that does work out they don't give Dusty his due. If you are going to criticize Dusty when something goes wrong you have to applaud him when something goes right.

 

This is why managers have a terrible job. The right decision is what is SUPPOSED to happen. They can do very very little to help the team, but quite a bit to hinder it. This is why all managers, including bad ones like Dusty, are criticized more than they are praised by their fans.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think his point is that there are some people on this board that dislike Dusty so much that they are going to make a huge deal when Dusty makes a questionable move that doesn't work out but then when Dusty makes a move that does work out they don't give Dusty his due. If you are going to criticize Dusty when something goes wrong you have to applaud him when something goes right.

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=30473

[soccer10k]

I think his point is that there are some people on this board that dislike Dusty so much that they are going to make a huge deal when Dusty makes a questionable move that doesn't work out but then when Dusty makes a move that does work out they don't give Dusty his due. If you are going to criticize Dusty when something goes wrong you have to applaud him when something goes right.

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=30473

 

I'm not saying everybody hates Dusty. I'm just saying some people do.

[XZero771679666304]

If you are going to criticize Dusty when something goes wrong you have to applaud him when something goes right.

 

No you don't. It's his job to make correct moves.

 

Exactly. A mager's job is to make the moves that give your team the best chance to win in a given situation based on the infromation available at the time. Doing things like PH'ing Barrett make sense, and are not praise worthy occurences. Not PH'ing Barret would have been something worth criticizing.

 

Good managers don't stand out because of their in game decisions. They stand out because they consistently do the right things and that leads to cinsistent winning. Baker has made a name for himself by making stupid decisions that do not agree with common sense. Bringing in Remlinger to face lefties when there is a plethora of information telling you that is the wrong move. Or making Hawkins a closer when there is an abundance of information that tells you it is the wrong thing to do. Batting guys with historically abysmal OBP on top of your lineup when you are already struggling to score runs, etc, etc.

 

So we should praise Dusty for doing a thing 95% of competent managers would do? Making the correct move only seems like a praise worthy occurence in the context of the rest of Dusty's managerial tomfoolery.

[XZero771679666304]

I think his point is that there are some people on this board that dislike Dusty so much that they are going to make a huge deal when Dusty makes a questionable move that doesn't work out but then when Dusty makes a move that does work out they don't give Dusty his due. If you are going to criticize Dusty when something goes wrong you have to applaud him when something goes right.

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=30473

 

I'm not saying everybody hates Dusty. I'm just saying some people do.

 

And for the record, I don't hate Dusty. I actually like the guy, and I would like nothing better than for him to get his crap together so I could like his managing as well.

[UK1679666180]

For me, it's not about Dusty making the right moves, it's using the philosophy that will lead to success more times than not.

 

Baker hitting Perez 2nd was still the wrong move as far as what I consider to be a correct philosophy, despite Perez doing well in his one start.

 

Baker has made fewer mistakes in this regard than the last 3 years, as I mentioned in the off-season he has a bullpen that is a cookie-cutter pen and he needs that.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I don't hate Dusty. He's a very likeable guy. Unfortunately, I disagree with his moves often. That being said, he's made all the right moves thus far. I hope he continues to do so.

[CubinNY]

If we're in the same exact situation as last night (late innings, bases loaded, no outs) and Barrett pinch hits for Blanco and grounds into a double play Dusty is an idiot again, right? Just making sure....

 

I don't visit this site that much but I have not seen a complaint about Hendry, Dusty or Neifi in the last page or two and want to make sure the haters here maintain their integrity.

 

I know we're 4-1 and all seems to be going well, but I'd rather see the constant complainers come out and remain consistent at least. At times I think people on this site would almost rather see Neifi strike out in a tight spot or Baker push the "wrong button" so they can tell the rest of us how bad they suck and how they were right all along.

 

Who are you? Tim Russert?

 

He does the same thing every Sunday. "Mr. So-and-so, you said [something that does not look good in the present]. Do you stand by those remarks".

 

Opinos should change as conditions change. Just because Dusty makes a good move on Tuesday it does not make his bad move on Monday any less bad.

[TheDude]

People are hard on Dusty because they are passionate. That allows them to overlook the fact that most other managers do the same things as Dusty.

 

Bobby Cox uses Remlinger as a lefty specialist just the same as Dusty did, despite the splits. Cox will still be applauded as a better manager than Dusty and the similarities will be overlooked.

[badger1679666666]

People are hard on Dusty because they are passionate. That allows them to overlook the fact that most other managers do the same things as Dusty.

 

Bobby Cox uses Remlinger as a lefty specialist just the same as Dusty did, despite the splits. Cox will still be applauded as a better manager than Dusty and the similarities will be overlooked.

 

I was perusing the A-Diamondbacks board and they were bitching about their manager not playing young kids (Connor, Quentin) and having a perpetual hard-on for veterans. I thought I was on a Cubs board.

 

Phillies fans hate their manager at well, and think he's the biggest moron alive.

 

IF only the fans were allowed to be managers, all these teams would take off

[MembersOnlyJacket]

The big key for me with regards to Baker is not necessarily in-game strategy, but who he plays and how he plays them. In-game strategy should be a given for anyone who's been in the game of baseball for 30+ years. The real asset that a good manager brings is putting his players in situations that make the club successful.

 

I do not have a problem with Perez getting a start or two per week between SS and 2nd base. He's the primary backup and it's important that he gets 4 or 5 AB's per week. I just want to see how Baker handles Cedeno when he goes through an 0-18 stretch. It's easy to play the rookies, or anyone, when they are hitting 10-18. Will he sit Ronny down to watch the experienced veteran, or will he let Ronny play through it ? Same goes for Murton. Dusty's talked the talk for so long about wanting a team of young players; lets see if he can do it for 26 weeks. The Cubs best chance for success is with Murton and Cedeno fitting in around the stars in this lineup. Perez and Mabry are solid additions coming off the bench and that is where they bring the most value to the team.

[da bears]

Hopefully the Cubs continue to win, Baker doesn't make a lot of bad moves (some are inevitable, for every manager), so at least we are concentrating on the positives as opposed to the negatives. Life as a Cubs fan is just so much better when they're winning.