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On 8/31/2026 at 12:40 PM, bukie said:

One other amusing (to me) tidbit: Pete is 10th in the NL in walks, but 2nd on his own team (Busch), and 5 Cubs are among the top 20 batters in walks (Busch, PCA, Happ, Bregman, Suzuki).

17th in MLB. He was tied for 209th last year. 

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On 9/6/2026 at 10:58 AM, Stratos said:

I get why people don't like him.  The antics and swagger.  You can't take the Hollywood out of him.   But Non-Cubs fans don't see him everyday or how he treats teammates, media, fans etc.  He's a genuinely very nice person and does his best to cater to media and fans. 

I understand you saying this, 100%. I would expect this from you. You are the fanbase who doesn’t like swagger. But baseball isn’t geared to your way of viewing the game. It is for people younger who like that stuff. I am not suggesting you are wrong in your opinion. It is your opinion, and I respect it. But I don’t think most younger people care if a guy pimps a bit or shows swagger. A hard core team of a rival team wouldn’t like PCA, I get that. But today there are a lot more fans of the game, not necessarily one team. Those people should love PCA. 

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PCA has achieved the 25th 35-35 season in MLB history.

He has achieved the 9th season with at least 41 HR and 35 SB.

EDIT: Other such seasons:
- Ohtani '24 54-59
- Soriano '06 46-41
- Soto '25 43-38
- A-Rod '98 42-46
- Bonds '96 42-40
- Canseco '88 42-40
- Acuna '23 41-73
- Acuna '19 41-37

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11 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Ohtani is gonna come out next year and go 60-60. His drive to prove greatness is understated. Before 2024 his high in steals was 26. 30 was a surprise and he damn near ended with 60. Went absolutely nuts in that last month. 

But, he didn't pitch that 50-50 year.  If he pitches and does 60-60 next year, I'd admit he's the GOAT.

If Pete can do 40-40 this year, he could do it again next year (hopefully).  Has anybody done 40-40 back to back?

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8 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Ohtani is gonna come out next year and go 60-60. His drive to prove greatness is understated. Before 2024 his high in steals was 26. 30 was a surprise and he damn near ended with 60. Went absolutely nuts in that last month. 

Unless he totally gives up on pitching, I seriously doubt he ever goes that crazy again

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4 minutes ago, Tangled Up in Plaid said:

Bonds was three steals away from doing it. Doesn't seem like anyone else has been close.

Oh, I didn't know, but I should've known.  My friend was a huge SFG fan around that time, and I live close from SF.

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Since PCA has double the amount of WAR than Dillon Dingler in 14th place on the fangraphs leadboard, can MLB change the rules for this year to put PCA in the NL and AL MVP races? I feel like that would be the right thing to do. 

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7 minutes ago, JHBulls said:

Since PCA has double the amount of WAR than Dillon Dingler in 14th place on the fangraphs leadboard, can MLB change the rules for this year to put PCA in the NL and AL MVP races? I feel like that would be the right thing to do. 

I know you're joking, but with the way the schedule is now, two MVPs actually is kind of dumb.

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8 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

I understand you saying this, 100%. I would expect this from you. You are the fanbase who doesn’t like swagger. But baseball isn’t geared to your way of viewing the game. It is for people younger who like that stuff. I am not suggesting you are wrong in your opinion. It is your opinion, and I respect it. But I don’t think most younger people care if a guy pimps a bit or shows swagger. A hard core team of a rival team wouldn’t like PCA, I get that. But today there are a lot more fans of the game, not necessarily one team. Those people should love PCA. 

Just be clear, I'm not saying i don't like PCA. I like him a lot, I just said I understand why some people from other teams don't.

And yes, of fans from other teams, the younger fans I'm sure like him more than the older and more old school fans. Younger fans like excitement, just like i did when i was as a teenaged fan and younger.

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9 hours ago, Tangled Up in Plaid said:

Bonds was three steals away from doing it. Doesn't seem like anyone else has been close.

Ohtani could have done it but for some reason really cranked down the SB's last year. He went from 54 HR/59 SB in 2024 (731 PA's) to 55 HR/20 SB in 2025 (727 PA's). 

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11 hours ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Ohtani is gonna come out next year and go 60-60. His drive to prove greatness is understated. Before 2024 his high in steals was 26. 30 was a surprise and he damn near ended with 60. Went absolutely nuts in that last month. 

Ohtani's body is breaking down already.  No way he ever does 50/50 again.

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PCA is, per fWAR, the 49th best offensive Cubs player in history. He's leapfrogged Dansby and Seiya this year, passed by Contreras and Dawson, and with a consistent pace to finish the year, will move past Soriano and Jody Davis. Next year he's realistically looking at getting past Javy, DLee, potentially Happ. 

At his current pace he'll finish with 11 fWAR, which would be something like the 25th best offensive season of all time and put him in a tie with Hornsby for the best Cubs season of all time. Going off FG projections would get him to 10.6, which is roughly 35th best all time. 

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25 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

PCA is, per fWAR, the 49th best offensive Cubs player in history. He's leapfrogged Dansby and Seiya this year, passed by Contreras and Dawson, and with a consistent pace to finish the year, will move past Soriano and Jody Davis. Next year he's realistically looking at getting past Javy, DLee, potentially Happ. 

At his current pace he'll finish with 11 fWAR, which would be something like the 25th best offensive season of all time and put him in a tie with Hornsby for the best Cubs season of all time. Going off FG projections would get him to 10.6, which is roughly 35th best all time. 

and yet there are people, paid baseball people, who still believe Ohtani is the MVP. 

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12 hours ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Ohtani is gonna come out next year and go 60-60.

Ohtani could absolutely hit 60+ home runs, but at 32 years old and with ongoing knee issues, his days of being a high volume stolen base threat are in the past.

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On 8/31/2026 at 11:40 AM, Rcal10 said:

I don’t get the hatred towards him. He is exactly the type of player most people today love. Some older baseball fans have issues with guys being flashy. I used to be that way, but I realize my demographic isn’t what baseball is playing to any longer, so I have come to accept it. But I do understand when an older guy thinks showboating is too much. But the game today is geared to younger viewers. Those viewers generally like that in a player. They like the player who can do everything. I am thinking of the guys in their 30’s and 40’s I feel that is what they like. Same with younger kids. So, in my mind, PCA should be loved by the modern baseball fan. He is flashy, and does everything well. I think he is misunderstood by a lot of fans who view him as cocky.
On a personal level I have met him twice and each time he has been very respectful. In fact, one time when I met him, the next day I saw him again at breakfast and he walked past my table and spoke to me. I found him to be a very nice person. 

People hate him because they know they would love it if he was on their team.  The most old school baseball fan would love him and consider him a throwback if they played for their teams.  It's pure jealousy.  

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1 hour ago, squally1313 said:

PCA is, per fWAR, the 49th best offensive Cubs player in history. He's leapfrogged Dansby and Seiya this year, passed by Contreras and Dawson, and with a consistent pace to finish the year, will move past Soriano and Jody Davis. Next year he's realistically looking at getting past Javy, DLee, potentially Happ. 

At his current pace he'll finish with 11 fWAR, which would be something like the 25th best offensive season of all time and put him in a tie with Hornsby for the best Cubs season of all time. Going off FG projections would get him to 10.6, which is roughly 35th best all time. 

He's sustained a 193 wRC+ for 450 PA. Pretty sure if he closes the year mashing similarly he will hit or pass 11, no?

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4 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

and yet there are people, paid baseball people, who still believe Ohtani is the MVP. 

There is a subset of people (including in this thread actually) that think Ohtani can just flip a switch and be the best player in history, throw 50 innings of no hit ball, hit 30 HR and steal 30 bases like it's nothing.

These people have not seen Ohtani play at all since the all star break.

Ohtani doesn't deserve the MVP this year just because he lapped the field last year. There's no roll over.

My hot take is that at this point, NL MVP is the easiest unanimous choice of any of the 6 major awards.

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One more look at Pete's fWAR:

He's currently up to 9.9 fWAR, which is the 14th highest fWAR in a season since the turn of the century, and just behind 2001 Sosa for best Cub season since the turn of the century.

The only players above him are prime Barry Bonds, prime Mike Trout, prime Aaron Judge, and one season each from Bobby Witt Jr, Mookie Betts, and A-Rod.

It's also higher than any single combined batting and pitching season from Ohtani ever.

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re: hitting - i am SHOCKED that jose macias or neifi perez didn't make the list. looked up neifi on BR and out of all the teams he played for, he accumulated the most bwar with the cubs (4.0)! 

re: pitching - i've been alive for 7 of them and remember 6 of those 7. 

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