2024 Other Games/Playoffs

[Bote McBoteface]

Tbh my Ohtani love completely overwhelms my dodger hate. Helps i guess that I dont hate the dodgers much. I wanna see Ohtani in the world series. I do want him to lose to Cleveland, but still, I wanna see him play a world series game.

 

btw what an incredible final 3 innings last night. Cleveland’s radio guy is probably my favorite in the business. At the very least the only one that competes with Pat Hughes and Len Kasper. I highly suggest you listen to his calls of the Noel game tying hit and the Fry walkoff. So, so good.

[squally1313]

I'm pretty capable of admiring an organization's approach to baseball without cheering for them, much less talking horsefeathers to hypothetical non-fans. Ohtani is great, but pretty tired/over most of the rest of the roster. 

[Bertz]

44 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

True. But for the Yankees having so many resources, have they spent a lot on the one? Or are the resources cast off sort of guys? I mean Weaver is closing! As you said, what is happening in the playoffs is compelling. BTW, you didn’t even mention Hader or Williams blowing games. This is why I always argue that a lot of what happens with pens comes from journeyman or young guys having good years. Throwing money at it isn’t the only answer. 

Yankees don't have a ton of money in their pen currently, but recent vintages with dominant bullpens have. Although those had Aroldis Chapman who did get that mega deal and goes against my point.

This year's pen is built largely through trade.  Holmes and Hill came via trade, Kahnle was a guy they traded for and resigned.  Effross and Leiter obviously came via trade, neither is currently contributing which speaks to the need to take a lot of shots.  I'll say too Luke Weaver got very little money, but he did get a guaranteed deal with an option for next year, that's not a deal that a lot of guys in his situation would get.  Yankees thought he was more than just a lottery ticket, overpaid a bit, and now have their closer for next year locked up to an absurdly team friendly deal.

[Rcal10]

1 hour ago, Bertz said:

Yankees don't have a ton of money in their pen currently, but recent vintages with dominant bullpens have. Although those had Aroldis Chapman who did get that mega deal and goes against my point.

This year's pen is built largely through trade.  Holmes and Hill came via trade, Kahnle was a guy they traded for and resigned.  Effross and Leiter obviously came via trade, neither is currently contributing which speaks to the need to take a lot of shots.  I'll say too Luke Weaver got very little money, but he did get a guaranteed deal with an option for next year, that's not a deal that a lot of guys in his situation would get.  Yankees thought he was more than just a lottery ticket, overpaid a bit, and now have their closer for next year locked up to an absurdly team friendly deal.

Exactly. The Yankees pen was built on small trades, maybe a system guy or two  and a small FA signing. Just happen to have good years by enough of those guys. To Weaver, specifically, good for the Yankees seeing something, I guess. But I wouldn’t bet money he will be their closer for all of next year. I would bet he has a better chance of failing next year than actually putting together a season where he is the closer all year. He is JAG. 

[Rcal10]

1 hour ago, TomtheBombadil said:

^ Idk I’ve been complimentary of the MiLB career and general tools on Weaver.  Pre-pandemic he even seemed like a SP, kept the arm healthy since, yada yada…There’s been a good ML pitch in there for a while. The orgs ready for 2.0 are the ones who can ID these guys 

Weaver has been in the majors since 2016. So any MILB success or tools he showed were a long time ago. His last 4 years in the majors he has sucked. As I said, I give the Yankees credit for signing him and him being successful. But it was nothing more than a roll of the dice. It worked this year. I wouldn’t bet in would work again next year. Tools or not, he has been pretty bad in the majors. He was a dumpster dive signing that worked in 2024. 

[Rcal10]

40 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

Basically the kind of player/employee analysis The Future 2.0 is built around is a situation where being Productive isn’t Good in a world where being Good isn’t being Very Good and being Very Good isn’t Elite. 

What? Ok, whatever. In any event, Weaver signed for $2M with a team option. So whatever make him this player you knew would be good was missed by 29 other teams. Actually I am pretty sure the Yankees got much more out of him than they expected, as well. So he fooled 30 teams but you are not surprised. 

The point I was making originally anyway, was Weaver was signed as a low budget signing. He is a perfect example of a guy who would be considered a dumpster dive signing, who turned out very good. But I still wouldn’t assume he would be good next year. Regardless of what you saw as good on Weavwr, results were not good, prior to this year. You said he stays healthy, is versatile and throws a lot of pitches well and yet he signed for $2M. If all you are saying was true, would he have cost a whole lot more? Are all organizations just stupid? Or is Weaver JAG? I would say JAG. And this is nothing more than just taking a chance on a  low budget guy a team like the Yankees can cut if he sucked. 

Edited October 18, 2024 by Rcal10

[JHBulls]

Imagine scouting Mark Leiter Jr for months when he was playing for a different team and thinking that is a player you want to be pitching high leverage in the ALCS. 

[Derwood]

9 minutes ago, JHBulls said:

Imagine scouting Mark Leiter Jr for months when he was playing for a different team and thinking that is a player you want to be pitching high leverage in the ALCS. 

Somehow, it worked

[Stratos]

14 hours ago, Bertz said:

Emmanuel Clase and Edwin Diaz having disastrous postseasons feels pretty compelling as "don't sink a ton of resources into a reliever" evidence.  That said the Yankees and Dodgers have plenty of resources in their pen, it's just more of a spread the wealth sort of deal.

Diaz made 21m this year, which is wild.  Then again, Jed gave Neris and Fulmer a combined 14m and they're just average relievers.

[Stratos]

13 hours ago, Bote McBoteface said:

Tbh my Ohtani love completely overwhelms my dodger hate. Helps i guess that I dont hate the dodgers much. I wanna see Ohtani in the world series. I do want him to lose to Cleveland, but still, I wanna see him play a world series game.

 

btw what an incredible final 3 innings last night. Cleveland’s radio guy is probably my favorite in the business. At the very least the only one that competes with Pat Hughes and Len Kasper. I highly suggest you listen to his calls of the Noel game tying hit and the Fry walkoff. So, so good.

Ohtani/Freeman/Betts seem like such nice dudes.

Im going for Cleveland and Mets because it would be nice for fanbases.  Would be fun to watch Yanks/Dodgers go at it though with those hitters

[Brian707]

22 hours ago, CubinNY said:

The Dodgers are peaking at the right time. Suck it, haters. 

Maybe they actually will win a WS in a non covid year

[Rex Buckingham]

10 hours ago, Stratos said:

Ohtani/Freeman/Betts seem like such nice dudes.

Im going for Cleveland and Mets because it would be nice for fanbases.  Would be fun to watch Yanks/Dodgers go at it though with those hitters

It would be kind of hilarious for Francisco Lindor to come to Cleveland and win a WS with the Mets

[Tim]

2 hours ago, Rex Buckingham said:

It would be kind of hilarious for Francisco Lindor to come to Cleveland and win a WS with the Mets

I'm torn between empathy for Cleveland as the team with the longest drought in baseball, and hoping they keep losing so they take over as the longest one ever.

[squally1313]

Soto is incredible 

[Irrelevant Dude]

Juan Soto obliterates a 3 run home run in the 10th to give the Yankees the lead (and likely the series).

Oh, but he's too expensive and might hurt the team in 7 years.  I'm sure Mike Tauchman can perform just as well.

[Jason Ross]

Whomever gives him the "you sign whatever contract your want" this offseason is almost assuredly not going to regret it.

[Stratos]

Bad news for the Cubs hopes for Soto is this WS run gives the Yanks all the more reason to throw the money down to keep him, and more reason for Soto to want to stay.  Plus fans will def put the pressure on Cashman.

Heard the favs for Soto were Yanks and Mets.

[CubinNY]

Tommy F’n Edman driving in four runs tonight. lol 

[CubinNY]

Dodgers gonna wrap it up

[NorthsideAvenger]

Dodgers .v. Yankees?

Yeah, no thanks.

[I owned a Suzuki]

13 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

Dodgers .v. Yankees?

Yeah, no thanks.

I'm extremely interested. However, I cannot decide who I want to lose more. Probably the Dodgers, but it's close

[Irrelevant Dude]

7 minutes ago, I owned a Suzuki said:

However, I cannot decide who I want to lose more. Probably the Dodgers, but it's close

As much as I hate seeing the Yankees win, I'm rooting for them and it isn't even close.  Anyone but the Dodgers. 

[squally1313]

I'm aware I'm very much oversimplifying this, but it seems outrageous to take this entire week off and then start the WS on Friday night and all the football of the weekend. Admit defeat and figure out a way to have games mid-week as much as possible.

Having said that, will be interesting to see the national interest here. You couldn't have scripted this better if you're running MLB. Just hoping it's a good, long series.

[soccer10k]

I think the only way I could be less interested in this series is if it was the Cardinals in there instead of the Dodgers. Although I guess in that case I would grit my teeth and root for the Yankees. In this case I just don't care who wins.

[JHBulls]

It’s good to see the team with the lower payroll winning for once. 🙄