Tigers (TBD) vs Cubs (Taillon): 8/21/24, 7:05pm

[Soul]

It’s never a bad thing to show them a 100mph fastball after a much slower starting pitcher.

[chibears55]

26 minutes ago, mfcubs22 said:

116 wRC+ in a “bad” 2022 season?

and 2020-2021 was less than 200 total PAs. 

His PA was mentioned, that part of his PA.

He hit 20 HR in 2022, other then that he was bad .205 Avg and .304 OBP

1/3 of his hits were homeruns, not a bad thing but...

Edited August 22, 2024 by chibears55

[JHBulls]

Imagine an umpire seeing that play at 1st base perfectly and making the correct call when even the review system needed 17 replays to agree with the umpire, but the umpires screw up so horrifically calling balls and strikes consistently. 

[DYMNO]

I’m pretty tired of the Wisdom-hitting-for-Busch routine.

[DYMNO]

3 minutes ago, DYMNO said:

I’m pretty tired of the Wisdom-hitting-for-Busch routine.

And that last play is another reason why. 

[abuck1220]

by all means keep pinch hitting for the best (?) hitter on the team with a 32 year guy hitting .190. gonna seem so smart when it works for the first time on try #38. 

[chibears55]

5 minutes ago, JHBulls said:

Imagine an umpire seeing that play at 1st base perfectly and making the correct call when even the review system needed 17 replays to agree with the umpire, but the umpires screw up so horrifically calling balls and strikes consistently. 

Im starting to think alot of these HP umps blink/close their eyes on alot of pitches and then look to see where catcher's glove is at.

 

[JHBulls]

3 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

Im starting to think alot of these HP umps blink/close their eyes on alot of pitches and then look to see where catcher's glove is at.

 

Oh, thanks a lot.

Now I am going to buy a 100” 12K (or whatever K we are up to) TV, all so I can see if any umpires are blinking or not. This is going to become a daily obsession of mine. :(

[UMFan83]

Welcome to the bigs kid

[chibears55]

Bring Neris Back 😅😅😅

[Wilson A2000]

28 minutes ago, abuck1220 said:

by all means keep pinch hitting for the best (?) hitter on the team with a 32 year guy hitting .190. gonna seem so smart when it works for the first time on try #38. 

Craig Counsell is very smart. He knows more than you, ok. You have to look deep into the metrics to figure it out. 

[Tank]

Paredes is making me miss Ian Stewart at 3rd. 

[UMFan83]

15 minutes ago, Tank said:

Paredes is making me miss Ian Stewart at 3rd. 

Not quite pining for Mike Olt yet though

[Sosa21MVP]

8 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

Not quite pining for Mike Olt yet though

What is Kevin Orie up to nowadays?

[Brian707]

1 hour ago, Sosa21MVP said:

What is Kevin Orie up to nowadays?

He owns a Papa John's franchise with Gary Scott 

[Bertz]

Sucks for Neely last night, just could not get that slider into the zone and got beat for it.  A lineup with like 7 lefties also wasn't the softest landing.  Hopefully he can laugh it off and move on similar to Ben Brown.

Loved what we saw from Pearson and Merryweather.  If they keep pitching like that the situation heading into the winter looks a lot different.

[We Got The Whole 9]

10 minutes ago, Bertz said:

Sucks for Neely last night, just could not get that slider into the zone and got beat for it.  A lineup with like 7 lefties also wasn't the softest landing.  Hopefully he can laugh it off and move on similar to Ben Brown.

Loved what we saw from Pearson and Merryweather.  If they keep pitching like that the situation heading into the winter looks a lot different.

The pitch to Carpenter, he missed his spot by a long shot, but not often do you see a pitch located there inside-outed for a HR.

[Bertz]

23 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

The pitch to Carpenter, he missed his spot by a long shot, but not often do you see a pitch located there inside-outed for a HR.

Yeah that was wild.  I don't think I've seen that outside of the stupid juiced ball in 2019 or when the wind is howling out.  Although he did hit it 102.

[Rcal10]

12 hours ago, chibears55 said:

His first 3 seasons he was bad, he was good last season and first 2 months this season and then went south.

So, close to 2/3 of those PA he has been bad

So you are referring to when he was 21 and 22 and had a total of 180 AB as two of those years. And then since that time he has finished seasons with OPS+ of 113, 131. And then in 24’ when they made the trade he was at 127. How is that remotely close to 2/3 of his ab? He has been bad as a Cub. I agree. But we are still talking about a 25 year old player whose career shows him to be a solid hitter comfortably better than league average. 

[thawv]

17 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

I will believe it when I see it. And I wouldn’t consider Jensen elite anyway. None of the guys you mentioned are elite to me. I also understand that’s kind of what you are saying. There is no Hader. But I would rather them develop the guy they have closing next year, then spend $18M for a guy near the end of his career. If yiu could get Robertson for something like $8M for 1 years, maybe. But I would hate to see so much annual salary go to an aging pen arm, closer or not. No interest in Pressly. His WHIP is pretty close to Neris’. 

This is all spot on.  Also, there's not an elite closer on the market anyway.  With the live young power arms in the system right now, I'd be upset if they wasted that kind of money are a "closer." 

[LBiittner]

3 hours ago, Brian707 said:

He owns a Papa John's franchise with Gary Scott 

Hahaha, you made me fall for it to the point I had to Google. LMAO. I'm so dumb

[chibears55]

3 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

So you are referring to when he was 21 and 22 and had a total of 180 AB as two of those years. And then since that time he has finished seasons with OPS+ of 113, 131. And then in 24’ when they made the trade he was at 127. How is that remotely close to 2/3 of his ab? He has been bad as a Cub. I agree. But we are still talking about a 25 year old player whose career shows him to be a solid hitter comfortably better than league average. 

It doesn't matter, my response was to the original poster who mentioned he has 1600 PA, so of course that includes his first 2 seasons.   

His first 2 seasons of a total of 193 PA which were basically a cup of coffee , he was bad.  His 3rd season where he got some playing time with 381 PA he didn't hit much but he did hit 20 HRs out of his 68 hits.

His 4th season which was a full one he was very good.

This season he started out very good the first two months but he has been pretty bad since.

I'd like to see the kid succeed and play as well as he did last season and be the guy at 3B for the next 10 seasons but he looking more like the 2022 hitter the last 3 months then the 2023 hitter.

April. 291/358/509/867  7HR

May.  299/421/494/915  3HR

June  237/304/409/713  3HR

July   136/340/309/648   3HR

Aug.   136/324/254/478   2HR

 

Hopefully for the cubs sake, he can turn it around the final 30+ games and be more like 2023.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Paredes has over 1600 PA with a 118 wRC+.  Since his initial cup of coffee with Detroit and getting traded to Tampa, it's 1457 PA with a 125 wRC+.  He's in his third straight season with a wRC+ over 115.

But more than that, the whinging about Paredes lacks a coherent 'why'.  Often players play well for stretches and then have something change and start playing poorly, but in almost all cases there's a clear reason.  Hitters struggle with different methods of pitching(e.g. the velocity surge hurting Heyward), or they have injuries that sap their ability to play at that level.  But there isn't a plausible reason for the Paredes pessimism that I've seen anyone offer.  Certainly not one that we'd expect to dampen future enthusiasm, as the most likely factor beyond normal variance is he's carrying a knock like the shoulder that kept him out the other day.

The closest is people hand-wringing the fact that he hits lots of pulled fly balls and that might not work in different ballparks.  This ignores that 1) the margin of the difference matters, it is not a dynamic that costs you 30 points of wRC+ 2) Paredes was a very good hitter on the road for multiple years, and 3) that doesn't cleanly match his more recent struggles that started pre-trade.  So what we're left with are 'but what if he's bad?!!?!' worries that don't have any grounding other than pessimism as a default.

[Bertz]

I joke about how reactionary this fanbase is but I've still been blown away by the amount of handwringing over 3 weeks of play.  Like is this the first year folks have followed a baseball season before?

[Rcal10]

3 hours ago, Bertz said:

I joke about how reactionary this fanbase is but I've still been blown away by the amount of handwringing over 3 weeks of play.  Like is this the first year folks have followed a baseball season before?

100% agree. There are definitely certain posters that do this way more than others, however. Some posters are much more reactionary and prone to hot takes than others. This has happened with Busch, PCA, Happ etc….