Chicago Bears preseason

[Proven Veteran]

22 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Velus and Scott looking like the same mistake prone guys they've been

The Bills announcers on NFL Network were making fun of Velus for falling over the hash mark.

[gflore34]

https://nflspinzone.com/posts/the-nfl-world-is-laughing-after-justin-fields-unsurprising-performance-01j4ygtf2qam - same old, same old, I was really rooting for him as a Bear but, he's fatally flawed, it's not fixable and, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bears "ruining" QB's.

[Tryptamine]

Booker has looked kind of great today.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

25 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

https://nflspinzone.com/posts/the-nfl-world-is-laughing-after-justin-fields-unsurprising-performance-01j4ygtf2qam - same old, same old, I was really rooting for him as a Bear but, he's fatally flawed, it's not fixable and, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bears "ruining" QB's.

I have never in my entire life seen a QB with such an unnaturally good sense for running towards the pressure.  The first sack, he had a lane to his right and could have gotten out, but he ran backwards towards the DE who had been pushed past and was coming back. 

The second one, he saw the pressure coming the whole way and just ate it.  It's uncanny how often I have seen fans arguing that Fields get sacked from his "blindside" when it was actually his vision side he just never reacted to it so it felt like it was coming from the blind side.

Meanwhile, we got the Trubisky experience in today's game.  A few plays where he didn't look half bad, then suddenly the wide open receivers start getting sailed every third pass.

[UMFan83]

Just preseason but awesome seeing Austin Booker ball out today with 2.5 sacks

[gflore34]

22 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I have never in my entire life seen a QB with such an unnaturally good sense for running towards the pressure.  The first sack, he had a lane to his right and could have gotten out, but he ran backwards towards the DE who had been pushed past and was coming back. 

The second one, he saw the pressure coming the whole way and just ate it.  It's uncanny how often I have seen fans arguing that Fields get sacked from his "blindside" when it was actually his vision side he just never reacted to it so it felt like it was coming from the blind side.

Meanwhile, we got the Trubisky experience in today's game.  A few plays where he didn't look half bad, then suddenly the wide open receivers start getting sailed every third pass.

I don't get it either, there's something, maybe, a lack of confidence, etc., keeping him from avoiding the sack by simply getting rid of the ball.

Edited August 10, 2024 by gflore34

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm still not in love with spending a 4th-round pick on a punter instead of just signing an average one. But I gotta admit, those kicks were noticeable.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

1 minute ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I'm still not in love with spending a 4th-round pick on a punter instead of just signing an average one. But I gotta admit, those kicks were noticeable.

Not disagreeing with the questionable use of draft capital (without looking back out who was available, IOL or anywhere on the DL would’ve been my extreme preference), but going from a profoundly bad punter to potentially the best in the league is going to be a very refreshing flip of the script. I had no idea punters could be so bad until Gill came along.

[Tim]

1 minute ago, Bobson Dugnutt said:

Not disagreeing with the questionable use of draft capital (without looking back out who was available, IOL or anywhere on the DL would’ve been my extreme preference), but going from a profoundly bad punter to potentially the best in the league is going to be a very refreshing flip of the script. I had no idea punters could be so bad until Gill came along.

I was hoping for Austin Booker with that pick in the 4th. So, Poles knows better than I do.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

30 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Just preseason but awesome seeing Austin Booker ball out today with 2.5 sacks

It would be so nice if he and/or Dexter could establish themselves as key contributors on the DL this year.

[gflore34]

7 minutes ago, Bobson Dugnutt said:

It would be so nice if he and/or Dexter could establish themselves as key contributors on the DL this year.

I'm really high on Dexter, I think he's going to emerge taking a big step forward.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

2 minutes ago, Tim said:

I was hoping for Austin Booker with that pick in the 4th. So, Poles knows better than I do.

Yeah I can go either way on this. The difference between the best punter and worst punter last year was around 7 net y/a. A good offense is punting 2.5-4 times a game. So we’re talking like 17-28 yards of field position in a game. Not nothing, sure, but a bit of a flex of a pick when you still have needs on both sides of the line. But, 4th round picks are lottery tickets and Taylor should appease the meatball side of me that screamed at the tv every time Gill saw the field. So, flex away, I guess.

[Soul]

1 hour ago, Bobson Dugnutt said:

Yeah I can go either way on this. The difference between the best punter and worst punter last year was around 7 net y/a. A good offense is punting 2.5-4 times a game. So we’re talking like 17-28 yards of field position in a game. Not nothing, sure, but a bit of a flex of a pick when you still have needs on both sides of the line. But, 4th round picks are lottery tickets and Taylor should appease the meatball side of me that screamed at the tv every time Gill saw the field. So, flex away, I guess.

Situationally though he could have a substantial impact.

[bukie]

That's the best I've felt about a meaningless Bears win in a long time.

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

Taylor doesn't just have a big leg. He also has good hang time.  He also seems oddly good at having the ball bounce in a way that keeps it from going into the end zone.  Those things don't show up in the average distance (unless it is a net distance thing where the hang time causes more fair catches).  I am unapologetic about liking the pick.  I can already see a future game where the other teams fans are posting on a message board and their version of UMFan83 is saying something like: 

VikingsandUMFan83:  This is the Vikings 4th possession of the game and their first time starting past the 15 yard line.  On the previous three drives, we have started at the 8, 15, and 4 yard line.  

[UMFan83]

26 minutes ago, PosterToBeNamedLater said:

Taylor doesn't just have a big leg. He also has good hang time.  He also seems oddly good at having the ball bounce in a way that keeps it from going into the end zone.  Those things don't show up in the average distance (unless it is a net distance thing where the hang time causes more fair catches).  I am unapologetic about liking the pick.  I can already see a future game where the other teams fans are posting on a message board and their version of UMFan83 is saying something like: 

VikingsandUMFan83:  This is the Vikings 4th possession of the game and their first time starting past the 15 yard line.  On the previous three drives, we have started at the 8, 15, and 4 yard line.  

I'm trying to figure out which of my many bits this is.  Does seem like something I'd say though.

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

41 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I'm trying to figure out which of my many bits this is.  Does seem like something I'd say though.

Just the keeping track of negative things that happens to your team in a game or season.  I usually am thinking the same thing as you, and you are good at posting it.  

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He didn't do anything we didn't already know he could do, but god it looks good in a Bears uniform.  There's always risk and downside, but right now this kid's median projection for his career is a top-10 QB in the league and the best in Bears history.  And I think he can start being that guy from day 1.

His pocket presence and awareness is so good, it's gonna make some mediocre offensive lines look amazing.  He's top 5 in the NFL in this trait right now, from day one.  He can do the big flashy scrambles, but it's also more subtle than that. He's got an instinctive feel for where he should be moving and how much time he has (9 dropbacks including the one that got called back for a hold, 8 pass attempts and one pull-down run for a first down).

First pro pass is a 3rd and 12.  He hits the back of his drop and wants to step up, but we have a Braxton Jones Special where he's being pushed back into the pocket but keeping the DE in front of him so it's not clean pressure.   Caleb immediately resets where he's at while still keeping his eyes downfield and goes through his progressions right to left until he hits Moore in a tight window for his third read.

Second pass was a designed screen, and I'm sorry to say this, but that was the most Patrick Mahomes anyone who isn't Patrick Mahomes has ever looked.  Knows *exactly* how much time he has to let the play develop.  Pause the video at 0:12 and watch how he manipulates both linebackers with his eyes looking right, then somehow no-looks a dead-on perfect pass that leads the receiver perfecty so he can catch it on a dead run into the open field.  It's easy to say "oh, it's a screen pass, the running got all the yards," but he made that happen.

Fourth pass was my favorite.  Defense played it reasonably well and has everyone covered.  Williams is running to his right and slightly backwards to keep the pass rusher off him.  He snaps a quick-release throw without setting his feet and his momentum running away from it, and it's a laser 33-yards in the air, perfect accuracy.  That's the kind of play that makes you wondering wtf your defense is supposed to do if you're a fan of other team.


His offensive line wasn't amazing, his receivers weren't getting a ton of separation, and we had two stone-cold drops, and we're still coming away from this game happy with how good the first-string offense looked because that's what good QB play does.





 

[UMFan83]

Is there any particular reason Roschon Johnson didn't receive any carries today (would have to check but I'm not sure if he even played at all).  Didn't see anything about an injury, and last week I think he got carries before Herbert did.

[UMFan83]

Also its funny seeing how many rollouts were called for Caleb after we were screaming for Getsy to call more of them for Fields over the last 2 seasons.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Just now, UMFan83 said:

Also its funny seeing how many rollouts were called for Caleb after we were screaming for Getsy to call more of them for Fields over the last 2 seasons.

I think rollouts were a sucker bet for Fields. He's not particularly good at throwing on the run (he's not terrible at it, but his accuracy can be inconsistent) and rollouts allow for tighter coverage by the defense, and Fields hates throwing into tight coverage.  He never, ever attempts that ball that Williams got to Kmet.

[BigSlick]

It’s preseason and blah blah but good lord how exciting to see Caleb in a game setting and actually looking hella competent. Not perfect, but very effective, and created on the move. That shovel pass was Mahomes-esque.

 

so excited for this season.

[gflore34]

2 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

It’s preseason and blah blah but good lord how exciting to see Caleb in a game setting and actually looking hella competent. Not perfect, but very effective, and created on the move. That shovel pass was Mahomes-esque.

 

so excited for this season.

I think his floor this season is average which will be a vast improvement over the past, what, 6 seasons?

[Tryptamine]

1 hour ago, UMFan83 said:

Is there any particular reason Roschon Johnson didn't receive any carries today (would have to check but I'm not sure if he even played at all).  Didn't see anything about an injury, and last week I think he got carries before Herbert did.

Probably because he got lots of touches in the HoF game.

[UK]

4 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

Is there any particular reason Roschon Johnson didn't receive any carries today (would have to check but I'm not sure if he even played at all).  Didn't see anything about an injury, and last week I think he got carries before Herbert did.

Undisclosed injury this week.