Bagent exposure in primetime, Bears are 10 point dogs to Chargers

[jersey cubs fan]

Just now, CubinNY said:

They showed a shot of Kevin Warren in the owner's box last night and he looked about the way you'd expect him to look with this team. I'm almost sure that Poles is not going to get fired, but he should. 

Yeah. My assumption of the script is Poles gets to hire a new coach. The bears have two draft picks around 4 and 8, then waste them by trading up for a guy at the top. They get off to a good start under the new regime but Poles fails to fix glaring holes out of an abundance of caution and is ousted after 2025. The next GM is given all the benefit of the doubt because the “cupboard was bare” and the QB wasn’t his guy. 

[BigSlick]

This game was really useful in a handful of ways:

Obviously it shows you Bagent is just a guy. A guy who could be a very helpful back-up in the league which is valuable, especially if you have a running QB. He didn't look nearly as sharp as he did in Oakland, but he still has a great gameclock and typically feels the pressure really well and either gets the ball out or moves out of it. His decision making is still pretty impressive for a rookie, but his arm isn't there. It is what it is! That's a win for an UDFA. 

Another big takeaway: You can't play 2005 Bears football in 2023. You simply can't - you have to have the ability to put up 30+ points on any given day. You might be able to beat a bunch of bad teams without QBs, but you can't even compete with a 2-4 Chargers team that has a legit QB and a legit offense. I'm not even that mad at the defense. They didn't play great, but IMO, they didn't even play that badly. And without any pass rush, I can't must anger about tackling or whatever else by the DBs. Whatever, it doesn't matter. If a good QB isn't being touched in the pocket, this is what he's gonna do. This is what the NFL is these days - they've been pushing it in this direction for a couple decades. You don't have to score 30+ every game, but you have to be able to have the ability to put it up in a given game. 

Edited October 30, 2023 by BigSlick

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yeah, I would have loved nothing more than for Bagent to spike the fields experiment so I don't have to worry about us giving him a fourth year, but that wasn't it and I'm already getting annoyed by the bears fans lining up to give him the standard list of bad QB play excuses.

Edited October 30, 2023 by Hairyducked Idiot

[gflore34]

Fields has to know its almost midnight on his Bears and perhaps, NFL career, I wonder if we'll see some changes in his play. At the very least he should not take so many sacks, if he doesn't see anything, throw the horsefeathers ball away.  Don't just hoppity, hop, hop, holding on to the ball waiting to get sacked and injured/re-injured.

Edited October 30, 2023 by gflore34

[UMFan83]

45 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Yeah, I would have loved nothing more than for Bagent to spike the fields experiment so I don't have to worry about us giving him a fourth year, but that wasn't it and I'm already getting annoyed by the bears fans lining up to give him the standard list of bad QB play excuses.

Following Kyle's drastic shifts in QBs is funny.  100% of it is all logical and based on doing what I don't do which is watch tape and analyze performances.  It's just funny because I keep losing track of whether Kyle is pro or anti Fields/Caleb Williams/Bagent in any given moment.

[BigSlick]

38 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Fields has to know its almost midnight on his Bears and perhaps, NFL career, I wonder if we'll see some changes in his play. At the very least he should not take so many sacks, if he doesn't see anything, throw the horsefeathers ball away.  Don't just hoppity, hop, hop, holding on to the ball waiting to get sacked and injured/re-injured.

I don't think Fields being desperate to prove something is gonna help his play at all. He's at his best when he's pretty calm and collected. 

I think the best thing to happen for Fields and the Bears is to let him start the final 8 games, hopefully without missing any time, and we get a final good look at him. That's it. 

I think it's unlikely the Bears don't use on of their top picks on one of the QBs available (they'd be stupid not to), but Fields can make their situation more complicated and that would be good for everyone involved. 

[jersey cubs fan]

20 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Following Kyle's drastic shifts in QBs is funny.  100% of it is all logical and based on doing what I don't do which is watch tape and analyze performances.  It's just funny because I keep losing track of whether Kyle is pro or anti Fields/Caleb Williams/Bagent in any given moment.

There is nothing logical about Kyle’s nonsensical constant 180 degree turns 

[Outshined_One]

Dumb scenario time.

Minnesota calls inquiring as to a Fields trade. They offer a 2024 2nd and a conditional 2nd in 2025 depending on Fields' performance.

Do you take it?

[Tryptamine]

5 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

Dumb scenario time.

Minnesota calls inquiring as to a Fields trade. They offer a 2024 2nd and a conditional 2nd in 2025 depending on Fields' performance.

Do you take it?

Of course. Then let me take this scenario even further. Assuming the Bears finish with like the 2nd and 5 pick. I take MHJ at 2, whichever of Fashanu/Alt are there at 5 then I take that newly acquired 2nd and trade up to grab one of Penix or McCarthy.

[CubinNY]

27 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

There is nothing logical about Kyle’s nonsensical constant 180 degree turns 

Proof of concept. 

[Wilson A2000]

 

 

[BigSlick]

32 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

Dumb scenario time.

Minnesota calls inquiring as to a Fields trade. They offer a 2024 2nd and a conditional 2nd in 2025 depending on Fields' performance.

Do you take it?

In a heartbeat, yes

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 hour ago, UMFan83 said:

Following Kyle's drastic shifts in QBs is funny.  100% of it is all logical and based on doing what I don't do which is watch tape and analyze performances.  It's just funny because I keep losing track of whether Kyle is pro or anti Fields/Caleb Williams/Bagent in any given moment.

It's just contrarianism.  I like a lot about Bagent but I don't wanna hear about how none of it was at all his fault or how bad throws can't be bad if the receiver adjusts and gets to it.

I understand a certain amount of Williams skepticism but I think he's drawing a lot of undue hate from an unholy alliance of fields truthers, meatballs who want athletes to shut up and take pennies, and prospect hipsters.

[Outshined_One]

2 hours ago, BigSlick said:

Another big takeaway: You can't play 2005 Bears football in 2023.

The dimwits clamoring for "run da ball and play great deeefenssss" with this team also overlooks a key aspect of the 2006 Super Bowl team: the sheer level of talent they had, particularly on defense and special teams. They had one guy who ended up in the HOF (Urlacher), multiple guys who could end up in the HOF (Briggs, Hester, Tillman, Kreutz), and a bunch of really talented guys on the lines.

How many guys on this current team would have been a starter on the 2006 team? Maybe 5?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

3 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

The dimwits clamoring for "run da ball and play great deeefenssss" with this team also overlooks a key aspect of the 2006 Super Bowl team: the sheer level of talent they had, particularly on defense and special teams. They had one guy who ended up in the HOF (Urlacher), multiple guys who could end up in the HOF (Briggs, Hester, Tillman, Kreutz), and a bunch of really talented guys on the lines.

How many guys on this current team would have been a starter on the 2006 team? Maybe 5?

I don't like pointing that out because they start talking about drafting Da Trenches by taking an edge at the top of the draft next year 

That was the most talented special teams unit I've ever seen *and* one of the top defenses of all time and it still lost because the other team had Peyton Manning and we didn't .

[Bobson Dugnutt]

48 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

 

 

Lol this is such performative sanctimonious horsefeathers.

[NorthsideAvenger]

4 hours ago, CubinNY said:

They showed a shot of Kevin Warren in the owner's box last night and he looked about the way you'd expect him to look with this team. I'm almost sure that Poles is not going to get fired, but he should. 

I agree Poles is not likely to get fired but a strong argument could be made that he should. 

[CubinNY]

5 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

I agree Poles is not likely to get fired but a strong argument could be made that he should. 

Say what you want about Fields not being his guy, he's the architect of this team and its coaching staff. They were a dismal failure before he assumed the position, but they are arguably worse now than when he took over. An NFL football team is not an aircraft carrier. 

[UMFan83]

38 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

The dimwits clamoring for "run da ball and play great deeefenssss" with this team also overlooks a key aspect of the 2006 Super Bowl team: the sheer level of talent they had, particularly on defense and special teams. They had one guy who ended up in the HOF (Urlacher), multiple guys who could end up in the HOF (Briggs, Hester, Tillman, Kreutz), and a bunch of really talented guys on the lines.

How many guys on this current team would have been a starter on the 2006 team? Maybe 5?

Struggling to think of 5.... Jaylon Johnson over Nathan Vasher, Edmunds over Hunter Hillenmeyer (if Edmunds can play weak side), Jenkins over Ruben Brown, DJ Moore over Berrian and maybe Fields over Grossman?

[jersey cubs fan]

27 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

I agree Poles is not likely to get fired but a strong argument could be made that he should. 

An argument? It’s way beyond a mere argument that can be made. Poles has not done a single thing to deserve to come back. He’s made the team much worse than it was as when he inherited it and there is no reason to believe he can fix it. These are his players and his players suck at football. 

[Outshined_One]

9 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Struggling to think of 5.... Jaylon Johnson over Nathan Vasher, Edmunds over Hunter Hillenmeyer (if Edmunds can play weak side), Jenkins over Ruben Brown, DJ Moore over Berrian and maybe Fields over Grossman?

I was thinking along these same lines with Wright over Fred Miller as another possibility.

Nevertheless, blech.

[champaignchris]

1 hour ago, Outshined_One said:

The dimwits clamoring for "run da ball and play great deeefenssss" with this team also overlooks a key aspect of the 2006 Super Bowl team: the sheer level of talent they had, particularly on defense and special teams. They had one guy who ended up in the HOF (Urlacher), multiple guys who could end up in the HOF (Briggs, Hester, Tillman, Kreutz), and a bunch of really talented guys on the lines.

How many guys on this current team would have been a starter on the 2006 team? Maybe 5?

Ruben Brown was past his prime at that point, but he’ll quite likely eventually be a HoFer. 

[BigSlick]

I'd probably take the 2023 Bears receiving corps over the 2006 one, but its not a wonderful choice. I'd also...probably take Kmet over Desmond Clark, as much as I feel nostalgic for Clark. 

I also was gonna say I'd take 2006 Grossman over Fields but...man. He was pretty mediocre that year, and that was his best year, lmao. 

Regarding what the Score is saying about the Bears staff leaking stuff to the NBC broadcast... I dunno I find it hard to believe they're intentionally trying to go scorched earth with Fields and make things worse for them, him and the city. I mean, I guess its possible, but I find it really far-fetched. 

Edited October 30, 2023 by BigSlick

[NorthsideAvenger]

1 hour ago, jersey cubs fan said:

An argument? It’s way beyond a mere argument that can be made. Poles has not done a single thing to deserve to come back. He’s made the team much worse than it was as when he inherited it and there is no reason to believe he can fix it. These are his players and his players suck at football. 

I would move on from Poles, but I'm not Kevin Warren and we have no idea what he is thinking other than the Bears suck. 

[CubinNY]

21 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

I'd probably take the 2023 Bears receiving corps over the 2006 one, but its not a wonderful choice. I'd also...probably take Kmet over Desmond Clark, as much as I feel nostalgic for Clark. 

I also was gonna say I'd take 2006 Grossman over Fields but...man. He was pretty mediocre that year, and that was his best year, lmao. 

Regarding what the Score is saying about the Bears staff leaking stuff to the NBC broadcast... I dunno I find it hard to believe they're intentionally trying to go scorched earth with Fields and make things worse for them, him and the city. I mean, I guess its possible, but I find it really far-fetched. 

Any time there is disention this kind of stuff happens. I kind of doubt the Bears are leaking derogatory information as a strategy, but there could be someone inside the Bears who has a problem with Fields and is feeding stuff that is derogatory. That person should be fired if they find out who it is.