The autumn wind is a raider, and it’s favored by 3

[jersey cubs fan]

https://youtu.be/Rh6E4Cks1W4?si=nNYEogujAfqTFpW1
 

The bears season is not technically over…, but they stinks 

[BigSlick]

Tyson Bagent is gonna start and this game will be as ugly and depressing as any Jimmy Clausen start 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Only 3? How bad are the raiders?

Maybe he'll make me eat my words, but I think Bagent is primed to put in a classic bears backup bad qb performance.  Maybe not full Henry Burris but a solid Craig Krenzel.  Something like 50% completion rate, under 175 yards and 3+ turnovers.

He won't eat sacks the way fields does, but we will miss fields' 2 first downs via scramble per quarter, and an NFL defense is gonna feast on his floaters and ducks.

If we have a chance in this game, it's because the defense is low-key starting to gel a bit and the raiders offense is bad.  If you take out the defensive scores, we allowed 24 to Denver, 20 to Washington and 12 to Minnesota.

 

[CubinNY]

1 hour ago, jersey cubs fan said:

https://youtu.be/Rh6E4Cks1W4?si=nNYEogujAfqTFpW1
 

The bears season is not technically over…, but they stinks 

That horsefeathers video is awsome. 

[CubinNY]

Just now, CubinNY said:

That horsefeathers video is awsome. 

Bears are going to win this game just to muck it all up a little more. 

[We Got The Whole 9]

42 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Only 3? How bad are the raiders?

Maybe he'll make me eat my words, but I think Bagent is primed to put in a classic bears backup bad qb performance.  Maybe not full Henry Burris but a solid Craig Krenzel.  Something like 50% completion rate, under 175 yards and 3+ turnovers.

He won't eat sacks the way fields does, but we will miss fields' 2 first downs via scramble per quarter, and an NFL defense is gonna feast on his floaters and ducks.

If we have a chance in this game, it's because the defense is low-key starting to gel a bit and the raiders offense is bad.  If you take out the defensive scores, we allowed 24 to Denver, 20 to Washington and 12 to Minnesota.

 

You really just described a Fields start 

[WrigleyField 22]

1 hour ago, BigSlick said:

Tyson Bagent is gonna start and this game will be as ugly and depressing as any Jimmy Clausen start 

I went to that Clausen start! (in my Cutler jersey)

[Hairyducked Idiot]

24 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

You really just described a Fields start 

Fields only averages 1.2 turnovers per start.

I expect more passing success, less running success and more turnovers from Bagent.

[SouthSideRyan]

I picked up the Raiders defense in fantasy.

[Outshined_One]

My inner meatball wants Bagent to pull a Brock Purdy and unexpectedly have a 350/4 TD day out of nowhere.

My inner sadist wants the Cult of the Bears' Backup QB to die a painful and horrific death this weekend.

Choices, choices.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

2 hours ago, Outshined_One said:

My inner meatball wants Bagent to pull a Brock Purdy and unexpectedly have a 350/4 TD day out of nowhere.

My inner sadist wants the Cult of the Bears' Backup QB to die a painful and horrific death this weekend.

Choices, choices.

The funniest, most chaotic scenario is if Bagent sucks but they win anyway, like 16-10.   Bagent goes 12-for-21 for 113 yards, 1 TD, 3 INTs, but the one TD comes late in the game to seal the win.

Bagent sucks but goes full Tebow for a few games.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I managed to completely miss Sundays game. How bad did Fields injury look? 
 

raiders by 10

 

[PackLandVA]

I wonder if the Bears know Maxx Crosby is really good.  The Packers either figured this out late or were dismissive of the fact.

Edited October 19, 2023 by PackLandVA
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[Hairyducked Idiot]

53 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

I managed to completely miss Sundays game. How bad did Fields injury look? 
 

raiders by 10

 

Fell on his thumb and dislocated it.  It's not broken, so that's good.  It depends on the extent of the ligament damage.  If it requires surgery, which the Bears haven't ruled out, that's 2 months to season-ending.  If it doesn't and it heals on its own, that could be as little as two weeks.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm catching up on Williams' game against ND, and it was definitely a bad one, but I'm kinda talking myself back onto his hype train.

I think he's getting away with a *lot* of BS that won't work in the NFL and, like every other QB prospect, you don't know how he'll react to NFL speed until he faces NFL speed.  He's certainly confident in his ability to get the ball into windows that pro defenders will turn into picks.  He also really likes to try to muscle off hits in the pocket, and NFL-sized defenders are going to maul him if he doesn't get over that.
 

Watch the play that begins at the 1:30 mark.  That's the kind of play that can thrive in the NFL.  He drops back, beats the blitz from the right by moving to his left, then zips out a ridiculous throw to his right without ever needing to reset his feet.  That's the kind of play that makes your receivers *and* offensve line look better than they are. I wish he were a smidge taller though.

I don't think he's Fieldsian anymore, even though I see why it gets brought up.  He keeps his eyes downfield and when he sees something he likes, even if it's not much of a window at all, the ball is out fast.  He's not only willing to hit NFL open receivers, he's capable of going past that into "throwing guys open" where he takes reasonably well-covered guys and puts the ball in a place where only they can get to it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

This is my second-favorite entry of the season in the "Former NFL players do film breakdown and absolutely crap all over the Bears offense" after the infamous week 1 QB school video.

They only do a handful of plays but it's so brutal.  Two where they just absolutely rip Justin Fields up and down for not being able to read a defense and make the correct decision, and a few where the offensive line repeatedly pees down their leg facing the same blitz because they can't get all 5 guys running the same basic blocking scheme, someone keeps missing assignments.

The first time they show the blitz, Wright misses the line call and blocks right while the other four guys block left.  This leaves the DE free to come straight through with only the RB to pick him up, which disrupts Fields' throw and causes the INT.

The second time, the Vikings bring the exact same blitz, the C again calls left but somehow decides to be the only guy ignoring his own call, leaving the DT to go straight through and disrupt Bagent, leading to the fumble-6.

The third time, they *finally* pick it up correctly, the LT doesn't do a great job of maintaining space but he's not actually beat, and Bagent throws his mysterious air punt to end the game.

Edited October 19, 2023 by Hairyducked Idiot
fixing a typo

[BigSlick]

It’s actually somewhat comforting to hear some blame placed squarely on Fields and not just on very poorly designed offensive scheming and Oline play. If things are where they need to be for Fields to succeed (snaps notwithstanding) and he’s still completely missing what he needs to do, well, it may still be a coaching failure, but at least we can see he’s not executing according to where an NFL caliber player should be. There are things he should be able to do at this point, and he’s not doing them, and some of them are elementary.

 

it’s sad, but at least it’s clarifying 

[CubinNY]

The Bears are a toxic stew of bad coaching and lack of talent. I mean when even in preseason practice, people are watching and going, "Oh boy this is not good" there is a big problem. Then they come out and nothing is fixed. One of those dudes said Fields left 200 yards on the field by poor decisions. I don't know if I buy all of it, but he again demonstrated he's not a capable QB and there is little hope he will become one. 

[BigSlick]

My friends, I did something I don't recommend. I was curious how badly the Bears screwed up first round picks on QBs, so I went and looked at a list of their history of first round picks and...I think I really hurt myself. 

Kevin White....Shea McClellin...Gabe Carimi...Chris Williams....Cedric Benson...David Terrell...Trubisky 2nd overall...Four seasons in the last 20 where we had no 1st round pick at all. Good god. The numbers of busts and underachievers, I had forgotten how many of them there were. 

 

But one other thing stood out and that was that the Bears just...don't draft that many QBs highly. We have a history of "ruining" QB talent but...the Bears have only drafted 3 QBs in the 1st round in the last 24 years. (And Grossman was the 22nd overall so not really...slated to be generational talent or anything). Trubisky drafted 2nd overall is still a pretty absurd reach, just a gobsmacking blunder when you look at the QBs that followed him, but at least the pick was an attempt to get franchise changing talent at QB. 

What I'm struck with most looking over the list is just how often the Bears have failed at acquiring talent at the highest levels of the draft, and curiosity as to why they haven't really drafted QBs more often. 

 

[gflore34]

NFL being a copycat league means the Raiders are going to run the same blitzes, we'll see if Bagent is able to get the ball out.

[We Got The Whole 9]

26 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

My friends, I did something I don't recommend. I was curious how badly the Bears screwed up first round picks on QBs, so I went and looked at a list of their history of first round picks and...I think I really hurt myself. 

Kevin White....Shea McClellin...Gabe Carimi...Chris Williams....Cedric Benson...David Terrell...Trubisky 2nd overall...Four seasons in the last 20 where we had no 1st round pick at all. Good god. The numbers of busts and underachievers, I had forgotten how many of them there were. 

 

But one other thing stood out and that was that the Bears just...don't draft that many QBs highly. We have a history of "ruining" QB talent but...the Bears have only drafted 3 QBs in the 1st round in the last 24 years. (And Grossman was the 22nd overall so not really...slated to be generational talent or anything). Trubisky drafted 2nd overall is still a pretty absurd reach, just a gobsmacking blunder when you look at the QBs that followed him, but at least the pick was an attempt to get franchise changing talent at QB. 

What I'm struck with most looking over the list is just how often the Bears have failed at acquiring talent at the highest levels of the draft, and curiosity as to why they haven't really drafted QBs more often. 

 

Take it back 20 more years and all you add is the Jims and Cade McNown. 

 

I feel like this a bad approach for a team that has basically had one franchise QB in their entire history.

[Brian707]

What chance do you think Bagent plays the whole game without being injured/killed?

 

Raiders suck but so do the Bears. I say 13-13 tie. Windy game too, so a lot more ducks to be thrown by Bagent

Edited October 19, 2023 by Brian707

[CubinNY]

I think the Bears are going to three yards and a cloud of dust game plan to victory. The defense is playing better and the Raiders offense is offensive. This could be a 10-3 game. 

[Tryptamine]

4 hours ago, CubinNY said:

I think the Bears are going to three yards and a cloud of dust game plan to victory. The defense is playing better and the Raiders offense is offensive. This could be a 10-3 game. 

I actually think it's pretty likely we don't see Bagent throw a ball beyond 15 yards all game. A million screens and runs are coming. 

[BigSlick]

4 hours ago, CubinNY said:

I think the Bears are going to three yards and a cloud of dust game plan to victory. The defense is playing better and the Raiders offense is offensive. This could be a 10-3 game. 

My go-to for a game like this is that 2005 season when Kyle Orton was a rookie and was terrible but just terrible enough to tough out an 11-5 season on the back of a tremendous defense and one of my favorite Bears of all time, Thomas Jones