Bears Week 5 vs Commanders, Thursday at 7:15pm CST, Amazon and probably local TV in Chicago

[jersey cubs fan]

4 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

It's hard to imagine a more disastrous outcome from that trade. Gave up a top 2nd rounder, got fewer than 20 catches over the course of roughly a season, is a toxic presence, and then traded for something less than a 6th round pick. 

 

Not great, Ryan! 

He did help them reach the minimum payroll threshold 

[Irrelevant Dude]

6 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

He did help them reach the minimum payroll threshold 

And maybe even helped them get the #1 pick last year.

[raw]

2 hours ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

You can get more for the #1 pick than you can get for Fields. So I'd keep Fields and trade that #1 for an absolute haul. 

I mean yeah, but that's not the goal. The goal is to have the best QB. If they feel Caleb Williams is the better QB, then it doesn't matter that they can get more for him.

Then you throw in you have to pick up a 23M option on Fields this offseason and potentially 50M/year long-term, while you get Williams cheaper for 4 years.

[raw]

21 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

So the Bears swapped their high 7th round pick for a low 6th round pick.  How much is a 5-10 spot move in the 6th/7th round actually worth?  Not nothing, but pretty close to it. 

It's 2025 picks

[BigbadB]

10 minutes ago, raw said:

It's 2025 picks

Well, it's something. I assumed he would just be cut. 

[UMFan83]

39 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

So the Bears swapped their high 7th round pick for a low 6th round pick.  How much is a 5-10 spot move in the 6th/7th round actually worth?  Not nothing, but pretty close to it. 

It's a 2025 pick swap so there's still a possibility the gap is wider than that..but yeah.  Teams were waiting for the Bears to cut him from what I've read so getting anything for him is probably a positive.

Edit:  Whoops this was already pointed out

Edited October 6, 2023 by UMFan83

[NorthsideAvenger]

25 minutes ago, raw said:

I mean yeah, but that's not the goal. The goal is to have the best QB. If they feel Caleb Williams is the better QB, then it doesn't matter that they can get more for him.

Then you throw in you have to pick up a 23M option on Fields this offseason and potentially 50M/year long-term, while you get Williams cheaper for 4 years.

Which is why I am hoping the Bears end up with picks 2 (via Carolina) and 7/8/9. Take the Caleb Williams decision out of Poles hands. 

[Brian707]

Bears next 5 games:

 

Vikings

Raiders

@Chargers

@Saints

Panthers

3-2 is possible, and a 4-6 overall record. Damn that Bronco game stings.

[gflore34]

5 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

Bears next 5 games:

 

Vikings

Raiders

@Chargers

@Saints

Panthers

3-2 is possible, and a 4-6 overall record. Damn that Bronco game stings.

Vikings game could be fun, if the current version of Fields shows up could be a game decided by whomever has the ball last.

[UMFan83]

Free this week

[Hairyducked Idiot]

https://x.com/NextGenStats/status/1710099267627663863?s=20

 

Pause this video at the 1.8 seconds after the snap mark.

All of his receivers have defenders on them.  The interior offensive line is getting beat and fields is going to be hit in about half a second.

If he takes a sack or scrambles, people say "what can he do? No one was open and there was no time."

Good NFL qb play beats both coverage and pressure 

[17 Seconds]

https://x.com/drewmagary/status/1710344222354690437?s=20

[We Got The Whole 9]

1 hour ago, UMFan83 said:

Free this week

So easy to see all the tools are there in spades. Like Kyle says, he hesitates a lot. He has a long load and his footwork is sloppy. But man he's on the verge of being a special passer. It could just come with further comfort. He left a lot of plays on the field. Even the plays where his anticipation was passable, they could have been even better. He has to trust his receivers will make the right breaks. 

[UMFan83]

Any concern that once again Fields completely avoids the middle of the field?  I don't know what the numbes are but it seems like 90% of his passes are outside the hashmarks and a decent number of his INTs are over the middle.  Here is last night's chart

[BigSlick]

I could count only one play last night where Fields held the ball way too long and took an unnecessary sack. Progress! 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

There's still plenty to nitpick and criticize.  Not all his decisions or throws were perfect.  He still has a long, slow release and drop.

 

But you can work around flaws.  You can't work around "refuses to pull the trigger on open receivers."

[BigSlick]

I'll say this: If the O-line plays like this consistently and you continue to get HOF caliber play from Moore, Fields will be fine. 

[UMFan83]

Fields has to average 1.58 passing TDs a game for the rest of the season to become the first Bears QB to have 30 passing TDs in one year.

As strange as this sounds, he currently has the 42nd most passing TDs in a season in Bears history with 11.

Edited October 6, 2023 by UMFan83

[Hairyducked Idiot]

4 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

I'll say this: If the O-line plays like this consistently and you continue to get HOF caliber play from Moore, Fields will be fine. 

I didn't think the line was that much better last night, especially in pass protection.

[gflore34]

10 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I didn't think the line was that much better last night, especially in pass protection.

Jenkins consistently playing equals an uptick in line play, on some of the analysis he's mauling people, including guys like Chase Young.  Saw Wright stuff either Payne or Allen a few times, love it. 

Edited October 6, 2023 by gflore34

[Derwood]

I've paid so little attention to this team that I didn't even know they played last night

[Soul]

7 minutes ago, Derwood said:

I've paid so little attention to this team that I didn't even know they played last night

I didn't realize they were playing Thursday and I figured it was going to be a fitting end to an already bummer of a workday.  So, it wound up being a nice surprise.

[We Got The Whole 9]

13 minutes ago, Derwood said:

I've paid so little attention to this team that I didn't even know they played last night

You're out of your element, Derwood 

[Tryptamine]

Man QBR really hates Fields. Even after the last two games he's 26th at 44.9. His 95.4 RTG has him up to 14th.

[UMFan83]

15 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Man QBR really hates Fields. Even after the last two games he's 26th at 44.9. His 95.4 RTG has him up to 14th.

I'm guessing more a function of how bad his first 3 weeks were, particularly the KC game.  His QBR last week was 69.1 and this week 77.1.   Over a full season, those numbers would be 6th and 3rd in the league respectively.

Edit: His first 3 weeks were 21.6, 24.0 and 17.2 which are all worse than Bryce Young's season average.

Edited October 6, 2023 by UMFan83