**Official Trade Deadline Thread**

[Jason Ross]

1 minute ago, UMFan83 said:

Wow optioned to AAA?  Figured he’d be someone they’d have in the majors right away

I bet there's a fix/change they want him to work on.

Edited August 1, 2023 by 1908_Cubs

[UMFan83]

Cuas has reverse splits this year, seems to do better vs LHP

 

Side conversation but does it seem like there are a lot more reverse splits hitters/pitchers than there have been in the past? Maybe I’m just noticing it more but seems like I see it a lot

[Hrubes20]

9 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

The Royals horsefeathers up pitchers left and right.  Their pitching infrastructure is jacked.  

 

Cuas is a sidearm guy.  He's got great whiff rates, terrible chase rates (this doesn't make much sense).  I think there's a tweak here or there you can use to exploit these things.  There could be a good RP arm here.

Very fair point.  

[UMFan83]

 

[CubinNY]

This is getting crazy. The Athletic is reporting that Pete Alonso is on the trade block. 

Would you give PCA back to them if you could work out an extension with Alonso?

[Brian707]

Could this thread maybe be pinned to the top just for today?

[Rex Buckingham]

6 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

This is getting crazy. The Athletic is reporting that Pete Alonso is on the trade block. 

Would you give PCA back to them if you could work out an extension with Alonso?

PCA, Shaw, and Horton are the only ones I would make off limits.  Alonso is a difference maker in the lineup at a huge position of need for the Cubs.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

10 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

Could this thread maybe be pinned to the top just for today?

You got it boss

[JD94]

32 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

This is getting crazy. The Athletic is reporting that Pete Alonso is on the trade block. 

Would you give PCA back to them if you could work out an extension with Alonso?

I’m not giving up PCA or Horton for Alonso. But I’d be willing to give them anybody else and a strong secondary piece. I’d give Alcantara and Ferris for example. 

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I kinda wonder how close something like Wicks + Caissie gets you.  That lacks premium upside but not to the point that they're bench/AAAA options, and you're getting AA+ in both to hedge against that.

[JD94]

2 minutes ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

I kinda wonder how close something like Wicks + Caissie gets you.  That lacks premium upside but not to the point that they're bench/AAAA options, and you're getting AA+ in both to hedge against that.

I’d be good with that also. 

[Rex Buckingham]

1 minute ago, JD94 said:

I’d be good with that also. 

sign me up.  Maybe add an A-ball pitcher if they want

[Jason Ross]

3 minutes ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

I kinda wonder how close something like Wicks + Caissie gets you.  That lacks premium upside but not to the point that they're bench/AAAA options, and you're getting AA+ in both to hedge against that.

I would guess another team would beat that.  I say this as probably among the bigger guys on Wicks and as self-proclaimed leader of the Owen Caissie fan club.  I think Caissie's trade value will be harmed by the possibility of him ending at 1b/DH (I think he's capable of RF for a bit, but that's a real fear).  1b/DH just don't get the love.  Wicks, while I think he's got low end #3 upside (I think he plays better than the stuff sometimes sounds on the paper.  Not a 1:1 comparison or anything, but he's got some of that Jon Lester in him.  Lester's scouting report wouldn't make him feel like someone who pitched as well as he did, and Wicks has some of that feel for me) I just don't/can't see him being the piece for Alonso as the best option.  At that trade, I feel like another team would come in.  

 

Maybe the Mets just love those guys and that happens, but I think the Mets would need more upside.  

[Tim]

1 minute ago, 1908_Cubs said:

I would guess another team would beat that.  I say this as probably among the bigger guys on Wicks and as self-proclaimed leader of the Owen Caissie fan club.  I think Caissie's trade value will be harmed by the possibility of him ending at 1b/DH (I think he's capable of RF for a bit, but that's a real fear).  1b/DH just don't get the love.  Wicks, while I think he's got low end #3 upside (I think he plays better than the stuff sometimes sounds on the paper.  Not a 1:1 comparison or anything, but he's got some of that Jon Lester in him.  Lester's scouting report wouldn't make him feel like someone who pitched as well as he did, and Wicks has some of that feel for me) I just don't/can't see him being the piece for Alonso as the best option.  At that trade, I feel like another team would come in.  

 

Maybe the Mets just love those guys and that happens, but I think the Mets would need more upside.  

Given that the trade is for a 1B/DH, it may work.

[muntjack]

I am higher on Caissie than most.  I might rather give up Morel.  Would someone top a Morel/Wicks/Canario package? 

[Transmogrified Tiger]

1 minute ago, 1908_Cubs said:

I would guess another team would beat that.  I say this as probably among the bigger guys on Wicks and as self-proclaimed leader of the Owen Caissie fan club.  I think Caissie's trade value will be harmed by the possibility of him ending at 1b/DH (I think he's capable of RF for a bit, but that's a real fear).  1b/DH just don't get the love.  Wicks, while I think he's got low end #3 upside (I think he plays better than the stuff sometimes sounds on the paper.  Not a 1:1 comparison or anything, but he's got some of that Jon Lester in him.  Lester's scouting report wouldn't make him feel like someone who pitched as well as he did, and Wicks has some of that feel for me) I just don't/can't see him being the piece for Alonso as the best option.  At that trade, I feel like another team would come in.  

 

Maybe the Mets just love those guys and that happens, but I think the Mets would need more upside.  

Yeah that's the hardest thing, we'll never know if the other org is high or low on one guy or another so even if the value is appropriate it might not be the winner.

In that vein though, scanning the list of 1B production by team I don't see anyone that would likely be desperate to add Alonso, so his market may not be as robust especially with their not being any rental bargain to be found.  But it only takes one and the Mets don't seem desperate to move him.

[Jason Ross]

3 minutes ago, Tim said:

Given that the trade is for a 1B/DH, it may work.

Maybe, but the market is essentially bereft of hitters.  At this point, if you want instant offense, best of luck.  Add in a year of control and I just think the Mets can probably cash in higher than Wicks and Caissie.  You need one team to beat that offer, and despite being big fans of both...I think a team beats that offer.

Edited August 1, 2023 by 1908_Cubs

[Hrubes20]

2 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

Maybe, but the market is essentially bereft of hitters.  At this point, if you want instant offense, best of luck.  Add in a year of control and I just think the Mets can probably cash in higher than Wicks and Caissie.  You need one team to beat that offer, and despite being big fans of both...I think a team beats that offer.

Fine.  You win.  I would add Ryan Jensen.

[Rcal10]

5 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

Maybe, but the market is essentially bereft of hitters.  At this point, if you want instant offense, best of luck.  Add in a year of control and I just think the Mets can probably cash in higher than Wicks and Caissie.  You need one team to beat that offer, and despite being big fans of both...I think a team beats that offer.

And even if the Cubs have the best offer (if no one beats the Caissie/Wicks idea) the Mets don’t have to deal him. I don’t see anything here unless Alcantara or better headline it and a better second piece. Maybe a 3rd piece as well.

[muntjack]

Alcantara/Wicks/Mervis ?

[Michael Busch Light]

I just looked up Alonso's numbers and I was surprised they weren't better outside of his rookie year.  He would look good in the Cubs lineup but I don't think you can go overboard here. 

[UMFan83]

17 minutes ago, Javy Bystro said:

I just looked up Alonso's numbers and I was surprised they weren't better outside of his rookie year.  He would look good in the Cubs lineup but I don't think you can go overboard here. 

I mean he's a 4-5 win player every season.  Not in that uber elite class but he's a legitimate star player with among the best power hitting in the game.  That said, and this might be what you are getting at, he has name value and the Mets may be expecting you to pay for a 7 win player when trading for him.  While he definitely fills a big offensive hole for the Cubs - power , I'm perfectly fine not overpaying for him.

Edited August 1, 2023 by UMFan83

[KCCub]

17 minutes ago, Javy Bystro said:

I just looked up Alonso's numbers and I was surprised they weren't better outside of his rookie year.  He would look good in the Cubs lineup but I don't think you can go overboard here. 

For this year, he had a wrist injury at the beginning of June that they were saying would take 3-4 weeks to recover. He came back in 10 days because the Mets were all hands on deck trying to win and it was apparent he shouldn't of been back and struggled. He's finally getting back to his old self. Pre (June 8th) wrist injury this season in 261 PA - 22 homers & 139 wRC+. Was on pace for a monster season. 

[ILMindState]

 

[chibears55]

Minor trade..

 

https://twitter.com/sahadevsharma/status/1686409173565689860?t=o_345K-MtsNrQmEIVhVR8A&s=19