Bears week 4: At Giants Sunday at noon on Fox

[minnesotacubsfan]

I wonder if Poles (with Getsy's recommendation) will go after big WRs this offseason. St. Brown is pretty big. They had interest in MVS and Chark who are also tall WRs. And in Green Bay, Getsy had 6'3" Adams, 6'5" Lazard, 6'4" MVS, 6'3" Juwann Winfree along with 6'4" St. Brown. They also had Randall Cobb and Amari Rodgers who they drafted, but Cobb was handpicked by Rodgers and Amari doesn't see the field.

 

So, I wonder if they try to give Fields a basketball team of WRs next year. Of course, that makes passing on George Pickens even more damning.

Isn't that the opposite of the WRs he has the most success with at Ohio State?

 

Olave or Wilson?

[Bertz]

I wonder if Poles (with Getsy's recommendation) will go after big WRs this offseason. St. Brown is pretty big. They had interest in MVS and Chark who are also tall WRs. And in Green Bay, Getsy had 6'3" Adams, 6'5" Lazard, 6'4" MVS, 6'3" Juwann Winfree along with 6'4" St. Brown. They also had Randall Cobb and Amari Rodgers who they drafted, but Cobb was handpicked by Rodgers and Amari doesn't see the field.

 

So, I wonder if they try to give Fields a basketball team of WRs next year. Of course, that makes passing on George Pickens even more damning.

 

I'd expect so. I might be missing a guy or two, but everyone they've brought in has been notably big and strong or notably fast. I'd expect the plan is to have a couple of each and mix and match depending on the situation. The sample size is small but it doesn't appear that they're super into the Keenan Allen's of the world.

[WrigleyField 22]

I wonder if Poles (with Getsy's recommendation) will go after big WRs this offseason. St. Brown is pretty big. They had interest in MVS and Chark who are also tall WRs. And in Green Bay, Getsy had 6'3" Adams, 6'5" Lazard, 6'4" MVS, 6'3" Juwann Winfree along with 6'4" St. Brown. They also had Randall Cobb and Amari Rodgers who they drafted, but Cobb was handpicked by Rodgers and Amari doesn't see the field.

 

So, I wonder if they try to give Fields a basketball team of WRs next year. Of course, that makes passing on George Pickens even more damning.

Isn't that the opposite of the WRs he has the most success with at Ohio State?

 

Olave or Wilson?

Any of them. Victor in 2019 is the only 6'3"+ target of any significance he had at WR at Ohio State.

[Soul]

Beating a dead horse here but

 

 

That's a great chart.

[SpongeWorthy]

Beating a dead horse here but

 

 

[Rex Buckingham]

Isn't that the opposite of the WRs he has the most success with at Ohio State?

 

Olave or Wilson?

Any of them. Victor in 2019 is the only 6'3"+ target of any significance he had at WR at Ohio State.

 

No, his targets at OSU weren't particularly big, but they were far more talented than your average college DB, where the talent differences are much more pronounced. He could throw deep ball after deep ball last year from clean pockets and Wilson, Olave, and Smith-Njigba (who I would lvoe the Bears to pick next year) would either dust their DB and be wide open, or were good enough athletes to GUAGI

[Old Style]

Beating a dead horse here but

 

But the experts here told me it's all on Fields. WR's HAVE to be open and he's just missing them.

[CubinNY]

Sulleymon melting down on Twitter

[David]

Dilfer doing his weekly Fields analysis on Parkins and Spiegel was very positive on Fields yesterday and basically negative everywhere else. Mentioned that no QB can handle that type of pressure coming from the middle of the line. I'll post when they put it up.

 

I can't believe Whitehair got hurt just as it seemed Patrick was getting close to taking over at C. We're never gonna get away from horsefeathering clown ass Mustipher. It's hard to be worse than that guy was yesterday.

Edited October 3, 2022 by David

[raw]

I wonder if Poles (with Getsy's recommendation) will go after big WRs this offseason. St. Brown is pretty big. They had interest in MVS and Chark who are also tall WRs. And in Green Bay, Getsy had 6'3" Adams, 6'5" Lazard, 6'4" MVS, 6'3" Juwann Winfree along with 6'4" St. Brown. They also had Randall Cobb and Amari Rodgers who they drafted, but Cobb was handpicked by Rodgers and Amari doesn't see the field.

 

So, I wonder if they try to give Fields a basketball team of WRs next year. Of course, that makes passing on George Pickens even more damning.

Isn't that the opposite of the WRs he has the most success with at Ohio State?

 

Yeah, and they were really interested in Olave this year, if you believe the rumors.

[UMFan83]

Sulleymon melting down on Twitter

 

I think its more newsworthy when he doesn't melt down

[raw]

Dilfer doing his weekly Fields analysis on Parkins and Spiegel was very positive on Fields yesterday and basically negative everywhere else. Mentioned that no QB can handle that type of pressure coming from the middle of the line. I'll post when they put it up.

 

I can't believe Whitehair got hurt just as it seemed Patrick was getting close to taking over at C. We're never gonna get away from horsefeathering clown ass Mustipher. It's hard to be worse than that guy was yesterday.

 

Yeah, Patrick sucks too though. The problem is both of them on the line together and next to each other. If Patrick can snap, I'd rather they go with Schofield at LG for the time being, at least he has a history of pass blocking well per PFF.

 

I've been thinking about long-term what is needed to get this line to a respectable level. And realistically, they are going to let Jones develop at one of the OT spots. They are going to play Patrick somewhere, preferably at C, next year. Other than that, it's up in the air. IDK WTF they are doing with Jenkins, but he's been their best OL by PFF and by most people's eye tests. I'm guessing they look to trade him again. If not, I'd LOVE for them to put him back at RT. He's likely to best the best tackle as well. Whitehair is probably a cap casualty. And I'd hope they'd go OL very early and very big in free agency. Elgton Jenkins would be the most perfect fit that is possible. Getsy ties, multiple position experience. You could truly put your best 5 out there with him able to play anywhere.

 

So for 2023, I'd like to see:

 

LT- Jones

LG- E Jenkins

C- Patrick

RG- 2nd round pick (I love Voorhees from USC)

RT- T Jenkins

 

If they want to keep Teven, and keep him at RG, they could put Elgton at RT and the 2nd round pick could play LG. Or Elgton at LT, Jones to RT where he and Teven can be a great run blocking duo over there. Borom at swing OT, a cheap FA, and the other 9 dudes they drafted are the depth.

[UMFan83]

Dilfer doing his weekly Fields analysis on Parkins and Spiegel was very positive on Fields yesterday and basically negative everywhere else. Mentioned that no QB can handle that type of pressure coming from the middle of the line. I'll post when they put it up.

 

I can't believe Whitehair got hurt just as it seemed Patrick was getting close to taking over at C. We're never gonna get away from horsefeathering clown ass Mustipher. It's hard to be worse than that guy was yesterday.

 

Great to hear re: Fields. I've come to accept that improvements are going to come gradually. I was thinking today that they are probably looking at Fields as a 1-2 year project. And while I'm not sure how giving him nothing to work with and getting destroyed by opposing defenses helps him, I think they are content with doing what they do best (run the ball) and slowly bring Fields around as he (and the team as a whole) gets more comfortable with the offensive system. Maybe the FO never saw him as the answer and are trying to prove it but I also think that the team has so many holes and are committed to building through the draft so the last thing they want to do is use a high 1st on a QB at this point.

 

Seems like a very old school approach to QB development when we've seen quite a few young QBs figure it out quickly (especially ones with multiple years starting at a major P5 school) so don't take this post as me necessarily being on board with the plan. Just trying to make sense of whats happening out there.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Olave or Wilson?

Any of them. Victor in 2019 is the only 6'3"+ target of any significance he had at WR at Ohio State.

 

No, his targets at OSU weren't particularly big, but they were far more talented than your average college DB, where the talent differences are much more pronounced. He could throw deep ball after deep ball last year from clean pockets and Wilson, Olave, and Smith-Njigba (who I would lvoe the Bears to pick next year) would either dust their DB and be wide open, or were good enough athletes to GUAGI

That's kinda the point though.

 

I'm not entirely sold that Fields just needs a go up and get it basketball threat because those guys aren't gonna look as open in the passing game.

 

Obviously if you want him to be THE guy, he has to throw to either, but if you're looking to maximize early success and then build, maybe he needs more horizontal speed separators to get comfortable.

 

I remember Kurt Warner talking about this adjustment as well though going from the greatest show on turf to throwing to Fitzgerald in Arizona. Fitsgerald's open looked a lot different than Bruce/Holt and he had to get used to the guys not being 2 yards separated from a defender. But thats adjusting to throwing it up to one of the best WR in his generation, not some run of the mill basketball target. And Fields isn't a vet with 3+ years of quality NFL starts either.

 

In 2023 you could probably overpay Lazard to a contract the Pack won't want to compete with. But it's not looking like a good FA class. He's the basketball target type, and will be among the better FA market in this class.

 

Otherwise it's draft or a likely expensive trade market.

 

Pretty sure Christian Kirk could create some separation right now, but everyone dunked on Jags for overpaying.

 

Probably some options for actually patching the line at least. Orlando Brown, how do you feel becoming the highest paid tackle ever?

[WrigleyField 22]

Dilfer doing his weekly Fields analysis on Parkins and Spiegel was very positive on Fields yesterday and basically negative everywhere else. Mentioned that no QB can handle that type of pressure coming from the middle of the line. I'll post when they put it up.

 

I can't believe Whitehair got hurt just as it seemed Patrick was getting close to taking over at C. We're never gonna get away from horsefeathering clown ass Mustipher. It's hard to be worse than that guy was yesterday.

 

Great to hear re: Fields. I've come to accept that improvements are going to come gradually. I was thinking today that they are probably looking at Fields as a 1-2 year project. And while I'm not sure how giving him nothing to work with and getting destroyed by opposing defenses helps him, I think they are content with doing what they do best (run the ball) and slowly bring Fields around as he (and the team as a whole) gets more comfortable with the offensive system. Maybe the FO never saw him as the answer and are trying to prove it but I also think that the team has so many holes and are committed to building through the draft so the last thing they want to do is use a high 1st on a QB at this point.

 

Seems like a very old school approach to QB development when we've seen quite a few young QBs figure it out quickly (especially ones with multiple years starting at a major P5 school) so don't take this post as me necessarily being on board with the plan. Just trying to make sense of whats happening out there.

Just from a fan standpoint it definitely felt that way from last week to this week. He looked more like a struggling rookie than a guy completely overwhelmed. Just gotta build. At this point it's clear the starting point for Fields was back to zero and not from like the Pittsburgh game high of his rookie year.

 

Theres still a prospect there, but he's not a unicorn. Just a very talented guy, but who's success is far from certain (this is what most young QBs are).

[WrigleyField 22]

Also it looks like Sam Mustipher is going on a Twitter block rampage and damn if the joke doesn't write itself.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm willing to come around a little on fields on Sunday and blame him less and the rest of the offense more

[UMFan83]

Dilfer’s segment on the score today:

 

[jersey cubs fan]

This is way down the list of concerns but I really don’t like the way Eberflus is making calls on important inflection point moments - punting while down 8 with 3 minutes remaining, and such. This kind of horsefeathers is outrageously conservative and doesn’t fit with the modern NFL. Will be the kinds of decisions that would hold back a team when/if we become competitive.

 

Also running on 3rd and 3 in the red zone, a move that only makes sense if you’re committed to going for it on 4th down. That game call probably comes down to the OC, however. But the overall philosophy…woof I hate it.

 

It's one of those things that might be down the list of concerns now.

But it will drive people insane in the context of a season where expectations are much higher.

That isn’t down the list, it’s top 3 for a head coach. Hire good staff, keep players engaged, and properly manage the game. He’s failed miserably in this capacity.

[BigbadB]

I also believe the failure of the offensive line is starting to get into Fields' head. When you have progressions to focus on, but you can't trust your line to give you time, you start getting happy feet. Some of those plays on Sunday he seemed to take off before there was actual pressure, even though the defense was already in the backfield, and Fields would jump out of the pocket before he really needed to, IMO. To me, that's a lack of trust that the line will give him the time to throw. That's just an added failure of his protection.

[gflore34]

If you're Getsy and Fields you've got to start with the premise of your OL is not going to allow time for any kind of drop backs or "long" developing passing plays. Given this, what can you do? Quick screens, picks plays? Getsy also has to come up with something more than running the ball up the middle in the red zone. The constant deferring to a run in the red zone is not going work most especially for a team that supposedly wants to win as many game as possible. Teams don't win with FG's as their primary way of scoring. Guess we'll see if Getsy is this so called offensive genius.

[CubinNY]

If you're Getsy and Fields you've got to start with the premise of your OL is not going to allow time for any kind of drop backs or "long" developing passing plays. Given this, what can you do? Quick screens, picks plays? Getsy also has to come up with something more than running the ball up the middle in the red zone. The constant deferring to a run in the red zone is not going work most especially for a team that supposedly wants to win as many game as possible. Teams don't win with FG's as their primary way of scoring. Guess we'll see if Getsy is this so called offensive genius.

I don't know enough about the different types of quarterbacks, but to me, they should run the Patriots' offense from the early Brady years where he was throwing short, quick passes on slants/picks to WR and button hooks to TE with the RB as a safety valve to dump off the ball. They could go down the field 6 yards at a time. Once the defense started biting then they'd hit a long pass or the RB would pop for a big gain. I know it's not the same people and the OL Brady had was good to great. But there is a way to game plan to based on the weakness of the team.

 

If they can't find a way for quick pass plays to work, they're basically screwed.

[minnesotacubsfan]

If you're Getsy and Fields you've got to start with the premise of your OL is not going to allow time for any kind of drop backs or "long" developing passing plays. Given this, what can you do? Quick screens, picks plays? Getsy also has to come up with something more than running the ball up the middle in the red zone. The constant deferring to a run in the red zone is not going work most especially for a team that supposedly wants to win as many game as possible. Teams don't win with FG's as their primary way of scoring. Guess we'll see if Getsy is this so called offensive genius.

I don't know enough about the different types of quarterbacks, but to me, they should run the Patriots' offense from the early Brady years where he was throwing short, quick passes on slants/picks to WR and button hooks to TE with the RB as a safety valve to dump off the ball. They could go down the field 6 yards at a time. Once the defense started biting then they'd hit a long pass or the RB would pop for a big gain. I know it's not the same people and the OL Brady had was good to great. But there is a way to game plan to based on the weakness of the team.

 

If they can't find a way for quick pass plays to work, they're basically screwed.

 

they called that offense the "ameba" offense because it was more based on finding or creating mis-matches. It was a bit more then 6 yards at a pop. It was Belichick looking for his fast guy against their slow guy. his tall guy vs their short guy, his slot wr against their sam lb, etc etc on every play. If Getsy can do that, yes please, but I dont think he's at BB's level yet.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Watching the videos, I like Fields' Sunday performance a little more. It wasn't good, but it wasn't as horrible as weeks 2 and 3.

 

Im not 100% sold on Dilfer's analysis. Fields was a high profile graduate of his QB program. He's got an interest in fields being perceived as on track to be successful

[WrigleyField 22]

Watching the videos, I like Fields' Sunday performance a little more. It wasn't good, but it wasn't as horrible as weeks 2 and 3.

 

Im not 100% sold on Dilfer's analysis. Fields was a high profile graduate of his QB program. He's got an interest in fields being perceived as on track to be successful

From a a single fan view watch, I'd say last week it was a median rookie performance.

 

At this point for 2022 I think Fields merely looking like a rookie and hopefully not suffering and long term development delay would be best case scenario.

 

But I'm not totally convinced 2023 actually turns into a "let's see if we can maximize his development" instead of bad plaititues about building a whole team and making him prove it first (which almost no young QB is ever asked to do let alone succeed so).