Bears week 4: At Giants Sunday at noon on Fox

[minnesotacubsfan]

We just care about you that’s all.

 

Don't dooooo it

[UK]

It was frustrating watching Zappe (22' 4th) of NE look competent against GB on short notice.

[gflore34]

Mahomes has nearly 900 yards and 8, well, now, 9 TD's through 3 + games just think how horsefeathering pleased we be if Fields just half of Mahomes' stats? At some point this stuck in the mud approach of Getsy and Eberflus has got to piss Fields off, doesn't it?

[UMFan83]

It was frustrating watching Zappe (22' 4th) of NE look competent against GB on short notice.

 

He had a higher QB Rating today than any game in Justin Fields' career.

 

Also QB Rating sucks I know, but its funny how some emergency 3rd string QB can come in and lead a somewhat effective offense.

[gflore34]

It was frustrating watching Zappe (22' 4th) of NE look competent against GB on short notice.

 

He had a higher QB Rating today than any game in Justin Fields' career.

 

Also QB Rating sucks I know, but its funny how some emergency 3rd string QB can come in and lead a somewhat effective offense.

 

Didn't watch the game, I'm guessing the Patriots actually, like, you know tried at the passing game? Not, all scared of our own shadow deer in the headlight Getsy and Eberflus?

[UMFan83]

It was frustrating watching Zappe (22' 4th) of NE look competent against GB on short notice.

 

He had a higher QB Rating today than any game in Justin Fields' career.

 

Also QB Rating sucks I know, but its funny how some emergency 3rd string QB can come in and lead a somewhat effective offense.

 

Didn't watch the game, I'm guessing the Patriots actually, like, you know tried at the passing game? Not, all scared of our own shadow deer in the headlight Getsy and Eberflus?

 

I guess. Zappe was 10-15 for 99 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT in just over 3 quarters of play. Nothing crazy, but those are Fields-like numbers with a better completion percentage and 0 turnovers

[raw]

You guys are still killing me in these threads.

 

We talked all offseason about how the talent team was bad. I think we all agree the games have proven us right, correct?

 

Based on the common knowledge that the talent is bad, especially on offense....

 

Why are we acting surprised the offense can't score?

Why are we expecting Fields to be good and transcend the rest of the talent on the roster?

Why are we screaming for Fields to throw more, when he was pressured on 17 of 35 dropbacks?

 

Bad team is bad. Like if Fields were to look how you guys want, then the bad team with the bad talent wouldn't be bad.

 

This year is gonna suck. They NEED to be run heavy, not only because they are best at it, but also to protect Fields from his eventual death if they don't. When teams stop the run or the Bears D can't hold teams down, they are going to lose and its going to be ugly. Idk why you guys keep expecting otherwise. I understand the heat of the game, but it's over and these takes still suck.

[gflore34]

You guys are still killing me in these threads.

 

We talked all offseason about how the talent team was bad. I think we all agree the games have proven us right, correct?

 

Based on the common knowledge that the talent is bad, especially on offense....

 

Why are we acting surprised the offense can't score?

Why are we expecting Fields to be good and transcend the rest of the talent on the roster?

Why are we screaming for Fields to throw more, when he was pressured on 17 of 35 dropbacks?

 

Bad team is bad. Like if Fields were to look how you guys want, then the bad team with the bad talent wouldn't be bad.

 

This year is gonna suck. They NEED to be run heavy, not only because they are best at it, but also to protect Fields from his eventual death if they don't. When teams stop the run or the Bears D can't hold teams down, they are going to lose and its going to be ugly. Idk why you guys keep expecting otherwise. I understand the heat of the game, but it's over and these takes still suck.

 

I believe many of understand the need to be run heavy but, that cowardly, dick-less punt on 4th and 2? Hell, horsefeathering run the ball but, at least grow some and give it a shot. And all of that basically giving up with run after run in the red zone? Even bad teams will show more trust in their bad players and actually try to score a TD via the pass. What kind of a message is that to Fields - we're so scared you'll horsefeathers up that were just going to make sure we get at least a FG attempt by running the ball up the middle three times.

[raw]

You guys are still killing me in these threads.

 

We talked all offseason about how the talent team was bad. I think we all agree the games have proven us right, correct?

 

Based on the common knowledge that the talent is bad, especially on offense....

 

Why are we acting surprised the offense can't score?

Why are we expecting Fields to be good and transcend the rest of the talent on the roster?

Why are we screaming for Fields to throw more, when he was pressured on 17 of 35 dropbacks?

 

Bad team is bad. Like if Fields were to look how you guys want, then the bad team with the bad talent wouldn't be bad.

 

This year is gonna suck. They NEED to be run heavy, not only because they are best at it, but also to protect Fields from his eventual death if they don't. When teams stop the run or the Bears D can't hold teams down, they are going to lose and its going to be ugly. Idk why you guys keep expecting otherwise. I understand the heat of the game, but it's over and these takes still suck.

 

I believe many of understand the need to be run heavy but, that cowardly, dick-less punt on 4th and 2? Hell, horsefeathering run the ball but, at least grow some and give it a shot. And all of that basically giving up with run after run in the red zone? Even bad teams will show more trust in their bad players and actually try to score a TD via the pass. What kind of a message is that to Fields - we're so scared you'll horsefeathers up that were just going to make sure we get at least a FG attempt by running the ball up the middle three times.

 

But people aren't talking about that. They're talking about Zappe looking competent, being "out" on Fields, TD less halves, wishing he had 1/2 of Mahomes stats....and that's in the last 15 posts. Granted, you aren't one of them. But in general, people act like Fields is a bust because he can't turn a horsefeathers sandwich into a 5 star meal while only having a hot plate to work with.

[mias_tisg]

The Bears being barren of talent was a crutch that they put on themselves. They could have drafted an offensive player with one of their 2nd round picks. We'd all be pretty excited if we had George Pickens right now. They could have signed a WR too or traded for one. Amari Cooper went for nothing and the Bears have the cap room to absorb his cap hit.

 

I'm okay with the Bears being a 5-12 team if it means drafting JSN and having the $100 million to spend. But this team should be more watchable on offense.

[UK]

You guys are still killing me in these threads.

 

We talked all offseason about how the talent team was bad. I think we all agree the games have proven us right, correct?

 

Based on the common knowledge that the talent is bad, especially on offense....

 

Why are we acting surprised the offense can't score?

Why are we expecting Fields to be good and transcend the rest of the talent on the roster?

Why are we screaming for Fields to throw more, when he was pressured on 17 of 35 dropbacks?

 

Bad team is bad. Like if Fields were to look how you guys want, then the bad team with the bad talent wouldn't be bad.

 

This year is gonna suck. They NEED to be run heavy, not only because they are best at it, but also to protect Fields from his eventual death if they don't. When teams stop the run or the Bears D can't hold teams down, they are going to lose and its going to be ugly. Idk why you guys keep expecting otherwise. I understand the heat of the game, but it's over and these takes still suck.

 

I believe many of understand the need to be run heavy but, that cowardly, dick-less punt on 4th and 2? Hell, horsefeathering run the ball but, at least grow some and give it a shot. And all of that basically giving up with run after run in the red zone? Even bad teams will show more trust in their bad players and actually try to score a TD via the pass. What kind of a message is that to Fields - we're so scared you'll horsefeathers up that were just going to make sure we get at least a FG attempt by running the ball up the middle three times.

 

But people aren't talking about that. They're talking about Zappe looking competent, being "out" on Fields, TD less halves, wishing he had 1/2 of Mahomes stats....and that's in the last 15 posts. Granted, you aren't one of them. But in general, people act like Fields is a bust because he can't turn a horsefeathers sandwich into a 5 star meal while only having a hot plate to work with.

 

I'm not out on Fields but the same red flags are still there. You can't give up on him but you can't trust he's the one either.

 

My gripe is more with Poles/Getsy than Fields for the play calling as well as the horrible draft/FA signings.

[raw]

The Bears being barren of talent was a crutch that they put on themselves. They could have drafted an offensive player with one of their 2nd round picks. We'd all be pretty excited if we had George Pickens right now. They could have signed a WR too or traded for one. Amari Cooper went for nothing and the Bears have the cap room to absorb his cap hit.

 

I'm okay with the Bears being a 5-12 team if it means drafting JSN and having the $100 million to spend. But this team should be more watchable on offense.

 

But they didn't do those things, and you knew that going into this season. Why are we still talking about what they didn't do? They are a 5-12 team with Pickens or Cooper, and they wouldn't be any more watchable with a QB getting hurried on half his dropbacks.

[UMFan83]

You guys are still killing me in these threads.

 

We talked all offseason about how the talent team was bad. I think we all agree the games have proven us right, correct?

 

Based on the common knowledge that the talent is bad, especially on offense....

 

Why are we acting surprised the offense can't score?

Why are we expecting Fields to be good and transcend the rest of the talent on the roster?

Why are we screaming for Fields to throw more, when he was pressured on 17 of 35 dropbacks?

 

Bad team is bad. Like if Fields were to look how you guys want, then the bad team with the bad talent wouldn't be bad.

 

This year is gonna suck. They NEED to be run heavy, not only because they are best at it, but also to protect Fields from his eventual death if they don't. When teams stop the run or the Bears D can't hold teams down, they are going to lose and its going to be ugly. Idk why you guys keep expecting otherwise. I understand the heat of the game, but it's over and these takes still suck.

 

We expected the team to be bad, we didn't expect it to be bad to the point where Fields was providing historically low production (relative to the modern era). Or at least I didn't. I expected to see more flashes than we've seen even with the lack of talent. I expected him to occasionally have a 200 yard passing game, especially with positive game scripts and a productive run game that defenses have to give attention to. I didn't expect him to be good though. Maybe I was expecting too much to think he might play good enough to just look like a normal bad QB, not one the rest of the NFL world was laughing at.

[mias_tisg]

The Bears being barren of talent was a crutch that they put on themselves. They could have drafted an offensive player with one of their 2nd round picks. We'd all be pretty excited if we had George Pickens right now. They could have signed a WR too or traded for one. Amari Cooper went for nothing and the Bears have the cap room to absorb his cap hit.

 

I'm okay with the Bears being a 5-12 team if it means drafting JSN and having the $100 million to spend. But this team should be more watchable on offense.

 

But they didn't do those things, and you knew that going into this season. Why are we still talking about what they didn't do? They are a 5-12 team with Pickens or Cooper, and they wouldn't be any more watchable with a QB getting hurried on half his dropbacks.

You have to give your QB something to work with. They hire a defensive head coach, they didn't use a top draft pick on a WR when they had two 2nd rounders, and they didn't sign any WR's of notes to help him out. Look at what the Jags did for Trevor Lawrence and until today, he's looked like the guy we expected.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Before this game, when the offensive line pooped the bed, I thought the offense outside of fields has looked better than I expected. Not good, but not sub-replacement level.

 

It's not unreasonable to want fields to be good enough to elevate an offense in his second year, and he's not close to that good.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't think Fields is a bust because he's not putting up elite stats with bad teammates

 

I think he's a bust because he can't move well in the pocket, looks like he has no idea what he's looking at against man or hybrid defenses, has trouble getting rid of the ball and suddenly has accuracy issues as well.

 

None of which are caused by poor teammates

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Also, has he executed a hot read successfully a single time this season? A free blitzer shouldn't be an automatically dead play with an NFL offense

[BigSlick]

The talent on the team is bad and the coaching is outrageously conservative but I don't think we need to sugarcoat it: Fields is playing very poorly and not getting better (and in some aspects, getting worse)

 

You can evaluate a player while acknowledging the poor talent around him. His footwork has gotten worse, his accuracy has gotten worse, he's doing a lot of three quarter arm angle throws for some reason, he's not confidently finding people downfield, he's stepping into pressure, he's making all sorts of mistakes. It's obvious if you're watching.

 

Not calling him a bust yet and I think it makes sense to just give him the keys to the car and let him play out the rest of the season, but woof. It's bad out there.

[gflore34]

Also, has he executed a hot read successfully a single time this season? A free blitzer shouldn't be an automatically dead play with an NFL offense

 

Was wondering about that as well, seems like 31 of 32 teams manage to do so at least once this season except, of course, for the Bears.

[raw]

It's not unreasonable to want fields to be good enough to elevate an offense in his second year, and he's not close to that good.

 

It's not unreasonable to want that. Absolutely unreasonable to expect that and be upset that he's not.

[raw]

The talent on the team is bad and the coaching is outrageously conservative but I don't think we need to sugarcoat it: Fields is playing very poorly and not getting better (and in some aspects, getting worse)

 

You can evaluate a player while acknowledging the poor talent around him. His footwork has gotten worse, his accuracy has gotten worse, he's doing a lot of three quarter arm angle throws for some reason, he's not confidently finding people downfield, he's stepping into pressure, he's making all sorts of mistakes. It's obvious if you're watching.

 

Not calling him a bust yet and I think it makes sense to just give him the keys to the car and let him play out the rest of the season, but woof. It's bad out there.

 

I haven't said anything contrary to your first 2 paragraphs. I've even said (last week) that Fields isn't playing anywhere near good enough. Fields himself would say the same. But maybe.....just maybe, his footwork, accuracy and pocket issues are based on him knowing he doesn't have the talent around him.

 

It's not like he's incapable. He was OK yesterday, probably better than any game this year (not saying much). But he showed us in Pittsburgh and a couple other games last year that when he's comfortable in the offense, he can play. It sucks that he has regressed so far but so has Mooney, Kmet, Borom, and somehow Mustipher and the playcalling are even worse than last year.

[jersey cubs fan]

Before this game, when the offensive line pooped the bed, I thought the offense outside of fields has looked better than I expected. Not good, but not sub-replacement level.

 

It's not unreasonable to want fields to be good enough to elevate an offense in his second year, and he's not close to that good.

it is unreasonable to expect a 2nd year qb in a new system with no talent around him and a coaching staff determined to not try, to elevate the offense around him.

 

Fields had an impossible task that maybe only a HOF vet would be capable of achieving.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Before this game, when the offensive line pooped the bed, I thought the offense outside of fields has looked better than I expected. Not good, but not sub-replacement level.

 

It's not unreasonable to want fields to be good enough to elevate an offense in his second year, and he's not close to that good.

it is unreasonable to expect a 2nd year qb in a new system with no talent around him and a coaching staff determined to not try, to elevate the offense around him.

 

Fields had an impossible task that maybe only a HOF vet would be capable of achieving.

It is unreasonable. I think we all wanted Fields to be the MJ of the NFL and be an unstoppable force, unfortunately we have a young QB that needs to grow into being a NFL QB. But the Bears being the Bears, they are entirely inept at doing just that. To me, that's what's frustrating. Every horsefeathering year is another year the team is somehow allowed to waddle around with their thumbs uta instead of doing what every other nfl team seems capable of doing

 

Getsy, Poles and Eberflop aren't going to figure out Fields in time. Instead, Fields will fail, Poles will get to draft his QB who will also fail to develop and we'll be looking at a new gm in 5-7 years

[BigbadB]

Not much I can add here that hasn't already been said. I'm hopeful that something good comes from this season. But it is very tough to watch. Fields must lead the league in hits that draw roughing the passer/late hit penalties. That guy is probably slowly losing his marbles on the hits alone. Yikes.

[BigSlick]

 

Incredible. Absolutely not blaming Fields for this completely, but this is not acceptable for a pro team, even the worst team in the league.