Bears week 4: At Giants Sunday at noon on Fox

[Soul]

Before this game, when the offensive line pooped the bed, I thought the offense outside of fields has looked better than I expected. Not good, but not sub-replacement level.

 

It's not unreasonable to want fields to be good enough to elevate an offense in his second year, and he's not close to that good.

it is unreasonable to expect a 2nd year qb in a new system with no talent around him and a coaching staff determined to not try, to elevate the offense around him.

 

Fields had an impossible task that maybe only a HOF vet would be capable of achieving.

It is unreasonable. I think we all wanted Fields to be the MJ of the NFL and be an unstoppable force, unfortunately we have a young QB that needs to grow into being a NFL QB. But the Bears being the Bears, they are entirely inept at doing just that. To me, that's what's frustrating. Every horsefeathering year is another year the team is somehow allowed to waddle around with their thumbs uta instead of doing what every other nfl team seems capable of doing

 

Getsy, Poles and Eberflop aren't going to figure out Fields in time. Instead, Fields will fail, Poles will get to draft his QB who will also fail to develop and we'll be looking at a new gm in 5-7 years

 

It's the sense of dread based on the history of the team. Poles is his own guy, so is Eberflus. It's just that we are in a deja vu cycle, a groundhog day lasting generations. There won't be any indication it will change, until one day it does. So someone simply needs to overcome all that and change the trajectory of the organization. Until we see it, it's nearly impossible have faith it will happen.

[Tim]

 

Incredible. Absolutely not blaming Fields for this completely, but this is not acceptable for a pro team, even the worst team in the league.

I'd be interested in the rate at which he turns those situations into first downs versus a traditional pocket passer.

[Derwood]

A slightly below league average offense could easily go 9-8 with this schedule.

 

The Bears are not a slightly below league average offense

[raw]

 

Incredible. Absolutely not blaming Fields for this completely, but this is not acceptable for a pro team, even the worst team in the league.

 

Just for perspective. 49 dropbacks under pressure and he only has 67 passing attempts overall. Granted, that includes sacks (16) and scrambles. But the man under constant duress. Again, not trying to excuse Fields, but this is David Carr esque OL play in front of him.

[Brian707]

Bad coaching, talent around him or not, Fields has actually regressed. I'm not throwing in the towel yet, but maybe they Rosen him going into next year's draft depending on their draft position. With this schedule 7 or 8 wins is possible unfortunately

[Brian707]

 

It's the sense of dread based on the history of the team. Poles is his own guy, so is Eberflus. It's just that we are in a deja vu cycle, a groundhog day lasting generations. There won't be any indication it will change, until one day it does. So someone simply needs to overcome all that and change the trajectory of the organization. Until we see it, it's nearly impossible have faith it will happen.

 

 

The Bears QB situation is very similar to the 108 year WS drought situation with the Cubs. Who is the Theo of the NFL?

[gflore34]

 

Incredible. Absolutely not blaming Fields for this completely, but this is not acceptable for a pro team, even the worst team in the league.

 

Just for perspective. 49 dropbacks under pressure and he only has 67 passing attempts overall. Granted, that includes sacks (16) and scrambles. But the man under constant duress. Again, not trying to excuse Fields, but this is David Carr esque OL play in front of him.

 

Given this wouldn't it be reasonable to minimize the number of drop backs, if not altogether, at this point, remove them for the playbook in favor of some sort of quick passing game? Something along the lines of run, run, run, then under center, one step throw, I've seen every other NFL QB, even horsefeathering Mitch do this, its possible.

[raw]

 

Incredible. Absolutely not blaming Fields for this completely, but this is not acceptable for a pro team, even the worst team in the league.

 

Just for perspective. 49 dropbacks under pressure and he only has 67 passing attempts overall. Granted, that includes sacks (16) and scrambles. But the man under constant duress. Again, not trying to excuse Fields, but this is David Carr esque OL play in front of him.

 

Given this wouldn't it be reasonable to minimize the number of drop backs, if not altogether, at this point, remove them for the playbook in favor of some sort of quick passing game? Something along the lines of run, run, run, then under center, one step throw, I've seen every other NFL QB, even horsefeathering Mitch do this, its possible.

 

Yeah, I said that before the season. But I don't call plays. I watched Aaron Rodgers get absolute freaking layups yesterday against the Patriots. Off coverage? Take the snap and throw it outside for 5 yards. Blitz coming? RB doesn't chip, just goes outside the tackle box for a quick swing pass, gets 5 yards. That's Getsy's former team. He was on the team that did that horsefeathers last year. Why he isn't doing it for his young QB, I will never know.

[bukie]

To me, the offensive playcalling to this point, and likely for the rest of the season, is effectively "keep running the ball so our franchise QB doesn't get killed this season trying to throw to the worst WR/TE corps in the league."

 

The added "benefit" of this is the offense becomes extremely predictable and they lose games without looking like they're trying to lose games, go 4-13 or 5-12, secure a top 5 pick and make use of the next offseason's draft/FA to build the team.

 

If anything, the production of the defense is making games closer than the FO would like them to be. And that's without Jaylon Johnson, who the team is also trying to preserve in any way possible.

 

It's a cynical take on the Bears' front office, but it seemed like the plan ever since the prior offseason, so we are stuck with whatever this football is for this season.

[Soul]

 

It's the sense of dread based on the history of the team. Poles is his own guy, so is Eberflus. It's just that we are in a deja vu cycle, a groundhog day lasting generations. There won't be any indication it will change, until one day it does. So someone simply needs to overcome all that and change the trajectory of the organization. Until we see it, it's nearly impossible have faith it will happen.

 

 

The Bears QB situation is very similar to the 108 year WS drought situation with the Cubs. Who is the Theo of the NFL?

 

It was when a leader who already won the championship decided to take on one of sports' greatest challenges that it finally happened. Perhaps some GM, someday, who wins the SB will think he can seal his legacy as one of the best ever by bringing top offense to Chicago and win the SB.

[raw]

To me, the offensive playcalling to this point, and likely for the rest of the season, is effectively "keep running the ball so our franchise QB doesn't get killed this season trying to throw to the worst WR/TE corps in the league."

 

The added "benefit" of this is the offense becomes extremely predictable and they lose games without looking like they're trying to lose games, go 4-13 or 5-12, secure a top 5 pick and make use of the next offseason's draft/FA to build the team.

 

If anything, the production of the defense is making games closer than the FO would like them to be. And that's without Jaylon Johnson, who the team is also trying to preserve in any way possible.

 

It's a cynical take on the Bears' front office, but it seemed like the plan ever since the prior offseason, so we are stuck with whatever this football is for this season.

 

You can run the ball so the QB doesn't get killed. But when it's not effective enough, you can also move the ball and protect the QB by getting the ball out quickly. The only layups Fields is getting are screen passes. And unless they are quickscreens (which they suck at), they take a bit to develop and actually naturally get the QB pressured or hit.

 

It almost feels like on one hand (running the ball a ton, conservativeness in general) that they are trying to not give Fields too much on his plate all at once. While on the other hand, they are trying to force him to go thru natural progressions while not scheming up guys to get open quickly and give him easy completions (where are the pick plays, RPOs, moving pockets with max protection?).

 

I honestly do get trying to make him learn the full offense, and not masking if he can play by giving him a bunch of layups. But it seems contradictory to the playcalling where it feels like you're almost intentionally getting into 3rd and long situations.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

Incredible. Absolutely not blaming Fields for this completely, but this is not acceptable for a pro team, even the worst team in the league.

 

Just for perspective. 49 dropbacks under pressure and he only has 67 passing attempts overall. Granted, that includes sacks (16) and scrambles. But the man under constant duress. Again, not trying to excuse Fields, but this is David Carr esque OL play in front of him.

 

Not so much yesterday, but the first three weeks he played himself into a lot of those pressures

[raw]

 

Incredible. Absolutely not blaming Fields for this completely, but this is not acceptable for a pro team, even the worst team in the league.

 

Just for perspective. 49 dropbacks under pressure and he only has 67 passing attempts overall. Granted, that includes sacks (16) and scrambles. But the man under constant duress. Again, not trying to excuse Fields, but this is David Carr esque OL play in front of him.

 

Not so much yesterday, but the first three weeks he played himself into a lot of those pressures

 

I agree with that, especially last week. Vs. GB, wasn't really enough of a sample size to work with. Vs. SF again sample size, but he definitely did run into pressure a bit there as well.

 

This is the perfect storm of suck. Bad OL, bad playcalling, bad conservative strategy, bad WRs, bad QB. At this point, I'm holding out hope the QB is a symptom and not a cause, because he's literally the only guy here that has the proven talent and track record (based on college and draft status, and sometimes last year) to not suck.

[Old Style]

Either I need to get my eyes checked or I truly don't know jack horsefeathers about football because I thought Fields showed some great flashes yesterday. The pass downfield to #18 (I don't even care to learn his name) was perfect but the [expletive] couldn't catch a ball that hit him in the hands. He had several impressive throws to me. The biggest problem yesterday IMO was a tossup between the OL and play calling. He may not be the answer but Fields is FAR from the problem with this team.

[gflore34]

While most of Fields' struggles are of his own doing, it's certainly true his receiving corps hasn't done him any favors, yesterday they failed to catch multiple throws any NFL receiver should catch. It was really pathetic how, on the last play, the OL showed better hands than Kmet. If he had any pride he'd be out there with Mooney working on catching throws from the Juggs machine.

[jersey cubs fan]

[UMFan83]

 

Just for perspective. 49 dropbacks under pressure and he only has 67 passing attempts overall. Granted, that includes sacks (16) and scrambles. But the man under constant duress. Again, not trying to excuse Fields, but this is David Carr esque OL play in front of him.

 

Given this wouldn't it be reasonable to minimize the number of drop backs, if not altogether, at this point, remove them for the playbook in favor of some sort of quick passing game? Something along the lines of run, run, run, then under center, one step throw, I've seen every other NFL QB, even horsefeathering Mitch do this, its possible.

 

Yeah, I said that before the season. But I don't call plays. I watched Aaron Rodgers get absolute freaking layups yesterday against the Patriots. Off coverage? Take the snap and throw it outside for 5 yards. Blitz coming? RB doesn't chip, just goes outside the tackle box for a quick swing pass, gets 5 yards. That's Getsy's former team. He was on the team that did that horsefeathers last year. Why he isn't doing it for his young QB, I will never know.

 

Isn’t that not Fields’ game? I’ve seen him throw quick WR screens and they seem to get thrown inaccurately like 70% of the time. I also feel like he’s not reading defenses well enough to do that right now.

[UMFan83]

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[minnesotacubsfan]

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This offense is so horsefeathering full of holes that Poles ineffectiveness last off season only creates a situation where he's likely to be ineffective this next off season. HTF is he going to plug the holes in one off season? He has draft picks and salary cap space, but whats he proven so far? he can oversell a terrible NFL offense?

[gflore34]

 

Just for perspective. 49 dropbacks under pressure and he only has 67 passing attempts overall. Granted, that includes sacks (16) and scrambles. But the man under constant duress. Again, not trying to excuse Fields, but this is David Carr esque OL play in front of him.

 

Given this wouldn't it be reasonable to minimize the number of drop backs, if not altogether, at this point, remove them for the playbook in favor of some sort of quick passing game? Something along the lines of run, run, run, then under center, one step throw, I've seen every other NFL QB, even horsefeathering Mitch do this, its possible.

 

Yeah, I said that before the season. But I don't call plays. I watched Aaron Rodgers get absolute freaking layups yesterday against the Patriots. Off coverage? Take the snap and throw it outside for 5 yards. Blitz coming? RB doesn't chip, just goes outside the tackle box for a quick swing pass, gets 5 yards. That's Getsy's former team. He was on the team that did that horsefeathers last year. Why he isn't doing it for his young QB, I will never know.

 

Isn't that what happened in 2018? If I recall the Bears were absolutely destroying the Packers on drop backs so, they went with pick plays, quick releases and moved the ball down field in little chunks. Kept the Bears' D out there, tried them out and then, they hit a big one off a blown coverage. WTF can't Getsy figure that out? After all he's an "offensive genius", no?

[gflore34]

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This offense is so horsefeathering full of holes that Poles ineffectiveness last off season only creates a situation where he's likely to be ineffective this next off season. HTF is he going to plug the holes in one off season? He has draft picks and salary cap space, but whats he proven so far? he can oversell a terrible NFL offense?

 

Additionally I'm not so certain he isn't just another defense, defense, defense meathead who's going to justify spending all of his early picks on defense with the premise of the Bears couldn't generate a consistent pass rush nor stop the run.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't think the short passing game is there. The few we have tried have gone poorly. We don't have the personnel for it, and teams are going to be taking it away because they're up to stop the run anyway

[raw]

I don't think the short passing game is there. The few we have tried have gone poorly. We don't have the personnel for it, and teams are going to be taking it away because they're up to stop the run anyway

 

Short passing is always there. Not always the way the Bears are doing it, but with a team that can run the ball like they can, the run action should open up quick hitters. Granted, Fields has struggled reading the defense on RPOs and so forth, but it can be done. Plus, in tight coverage, you can pick guys off to free up receivers. It could be combo of Getsy not doing it or Fields not seeing it fast enough, though.

[gflore34]

I don't think the short passing game is there. The few we have tried have gone poorly. We don't have the personnel for it, and teams are going to be taking it away because they're up to stop the run anyway

 

Do they really need certain personnel to run a pick play?

[bukie]

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Yeah, this is why I don't understand fans who watched yesterday's game and decided "Yes, this game shows Fields is the problem"

 

The line was awful, up and down, both ways, and the reason the Bears lost this very winnable game.