Manny Machado Traded to the Dodgers

[Tryptamine]

Losing 4 Years of Russell, for 1 year of Machado and then a 300+M FA contract in 2019, vs keeping 4 years of Russell and spending 350-400M on Harper. Pretty much a no brainer from my side.

[Backtobanks]

Losing 4 Years of Russell, for 1 year of Machado and then a 300+M FA contract in 2019, vs keeping 4 years of Russell and spending 350-400M on Harper. Pretty much a no brainer from my side.

 

Of course that's assuming Harper accepts our offer over the 4 or 5 other $400 million offers on the table.

[champaignchris]

Losing 4 Years of Russell, for 1 year of Machado and then a 300+M FA contract in 2019, vs keeping 4 years of Russell and spending 350-400M on Harper. Pretty much a no brainer from my side.

 

Of course that's assuming Harper accepts our offer over the 4 or 5 other $400 million offers on the table.

 

But then nothing would preclude the Cubs from signing Machado instead and trading Russell then. Or just keep Russel and Machado and move KB to left.

[Derwood]

Losing 4 Years of Russell, for 1 year of Machado and then a 300+M FA contract in 2019, vs keeping 4 years of Russell and spending 350-400M on Harper. Pretty much a no brainer from my side.

 

Of course that's assuming Harper accepts our offer over the 4 or 5 other $400 million offers on the table.

 

No other team has his Super Vegas BFF Kris Bryant

[Backtobanks]

Losing 4 Years of Russell, for 1 year of Machado and then a 300+M FA contract in 2019, vs keeping 4 years of Russell and spending 350-400M on Harper. Pretty much a no brainer from my side.

 

Of course that's assuming Harper accepts our offer over the 4 or 5 other $400 million offers on the table.

 

But then nothing would preclude the Cubs from signing Machado instead and trading Russell then. Or just keep Russel and Machado and move KB to left.

 

That's true, but I think there would be a better chance of extending Machado (after being on the team) than bidding on him as a FA.

[CubinNY]

 

Of course that's assuming Harper accepts our offer over the 4 or 5 other $400 million offers on the table.

 

But then nothing would preclude the Cubs from signing Machado instead and trading Russell then. Or just keep Russel and Machado and move KB to left.

 

That's true, but I think there would be a better chance of extending Machado (after being on the team) than bidding on him as a FA.

Why?

[Backtobanks]

 

But then nothing would preclude the Cubs from signing Machado instead and trading Russell then. Or just keep Russel and Machado and move KB to left.

 

That's true, but I think there would be a better chance of extending Machado (after being on the team) than bidding on him as a FA.

Why?

 

He would get to know the other players, the fans, Maddon, the city, the FO, etc. As a FA, everyone is promising everything and he might not know how he would relate to his teammates, the city, etc.

[Cubswin11]

Yeah, probably shouldn’t trade that guy.

 

[Backtobanks]

Yeah, probably shouldn’t trade that guy.

 

 

Well we did trade the guy who is a couple of places behind him.

[jehr]

Yeah, probably shouldn’t trade that guy.

 

With half of the guys on that list that are late in their careers or retired (and all but a few with WARs under 10), if you traded them around their age 24 or 25 season, you'd be trading them at peak value. With half of them, you'd regret it unless you got some exceptional value in return. That list doesn't really convince me to hold or trade.

[CubinNY]

Yeah, probably shouldn’t trade that guy.

 

With half of the guys on that list that are late in their careers or retired (and all but a few with WARs under 10), if you traded them around their age 24 or 25 season, you'd be trading them at peak value. With half of them, you'd regret it unless you got some exceptional value in return. That list doesn't really convince me to hold or trade.

For 1 guaranteed year of Manny or just in general?

[jehr]

Yeah, probably shouldn’t trade that guy.

 

With half of the guys on that list that are late in their careers or retired (and all but a few with WARs under 10), if you traded them around their age 24 or 25 season, you'd be trading them at peak value. With half of them, you'd regret it unless you got some exceptional value in return. That list doesn't really convince me to hold or trade.

For 1 guaranteed year of Manny or just in general?

I wasn't debating the merits of 4 years of Russell vs 1 year of Machado... Just that the analysis that links historical comparisons to Russel's "career arc" really does nothing to better inform us of what to reasonably expect from Russel going forward, and certainly doesn't make him untradeable.

 

Personally, we broke the curse and got a title. The monkey is off of our backs. I prefer to see moves that better support a dynasty over short term moves. I'd trade for Machado if he agreed to an extension... But given that Angelo's won't allow a 72 hour negotiating period, I wouldn't trade Russel for him since you have to assume one year of Machado only. Maybe a prospect package centered on Albertos or something.

[Tryptamine]

The knee surgeries don't bother anyone? Sure he's young, but with his bigger frame at SS and the wear and tear already on his knees I feel much less confident in his future than Harper's.

[Tim]

The knee surgeries don't bother anyone? Sure he's young, but with his bigger frame at SS and the wear and tear already on his knees I feel much less confident in his future than Harper's.

I'd much, much rather have Harper for a wide variety of reasons.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The knee surgeries don't bother anyone? Sure he's young, but with his bigger frame at SS and the wear and tear already on his knees I feel much less confident in his future than Harper's.

I'd much, much rather have Harper for a wide variety of reasons.

 

Yea. Me too

[imb]

If you could work out an extension for Machado, I might be willing? Angelos is a nut, but if you said "look, everyone else is offering you trash, we'll give you Russell if you give us a short window" he might be willing just to keep Machado from ending up in NY in 12 months?

 

Maybe that's too optimistic. I would rather have Harper than Machado, I think, but most of the concerns about Machado are the same with Harper, and it's not as easy as just saying hey let's sign Harper.

[jersey cubs fan]

If you could work out an extension for Machado, I might be willing? Angelos is a nut, but if you said "look, everyone else is offering you trash, we'll give you Russell if you give us a short window" he might be willing just to keep Machado from ending up in NY in 12 months?

 

Maybe that's too optimistic. I would rather have Harper than Machado, I think, but most of the concerns about Machado are the same with Harper, and it's not as easy as just saying hey let's sign Harper.

 

bird in hand is better than that bird in busch?

[imb]

If you could work out an extension for Machado, I might be willing? Angelos is a nut, but if you said "look, everyone else is offering you trash, we'll give you Russell if you give us a short window" he might be willing just to keep Machado from ending up in NY in 12 months?

 

Maybe that's too optimistic. I would rather have Harper than Machado, I think, but most of the concerns about Machado are the same with Harper, and it's not as easy as just saying hey let's sign Harper.

 

bird in hand is better than that bird in busch?

 

write that post out just in case, like a celeb obit

[David]

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maybe a thread title edit is in order since this is the first time i've seen the cubs tied (i could've missed something) to machado via sourced rumor rather than just internet speculation

 

Levine was just on with bernstein and goff and threw out javy as a name he has heard rumors about being the ask.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

I'm fine with Machado in this scenario.

 

Happ + Alzolay for Machado

Javy or Russell for Yelich

 

That's the only way I see Machado making sense.

 

Yelich

Bryant

Rizzo

Machado

Contreras

schwarber/zobrist

Javy/Russell(whoever is kept)

Heyward/Almora

 

That lineup is insanity

[Cubswin11]

I hope “we’re in this” just to drive the price up on someone unless it is part of a waterfall of events like Yelich+Britton+Gausman Edited December 19, 2017 by Cubswin11

[CaliforniaRaisin]

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[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'm fine with Machado in this scenario.

 

Happ + Alzolay for Machado

Javy or Russell for Yelich

 

That's the only way I see Machado making sense.

 

Yelich

Bryant

Rizzo

Machado

Contreras

schwarber/zobrist

Javy/Russell(whoever is kept)

Heyward/Almora

 

That lineup is insanity

 

I can see the logic, but that also takes a lot of money and still leaves you with a SP need. I'm also a bit skeptical that the Marlins, payroll slashing as they are, would trade Yelich for Javy/Russell, who have the same time to FA and only provide marginal savings through arbitration(especially for Russell).

 

More likely I think you would see a deal for Machado and then one of the infielders going for a controlled SP, it would have to basically be Archer or Stroman for me to be excited about the prospect. You lose infield depth when Machado leaves(especially if it's Happ going for Machado), but you also get a temporary upgrade at SS, a Darvish caliber pitcher without the dollar cost, which means that when the temporary SS upgrade(and his arb salary) disappears you can go after Harper unfettered.

 

Machado (1 year) + Harper (increased likelihood) + Archer v. Darvish + Happ + Alzolay + Russell/Baez + remainder of Archer/Stroman package

[Vinestal]

If it's for Baez, then horsefeathers that horsefeathers. I don't see 1 year of Machado being worth Baez or Russel, seems like crazy talk to me.

[Post Count Padder]

Happ and Albertos for Machado

 

Russell and Almora for Yelich, Straily and Barraclaugh

 

Thoughts?

 

I should add I'm in favor of standing pat offensively and saving up for Harper but I could live with it this way.

Edited December 19, 2017 by Post Count Padder