2015 Bears Offseason (Foxy new Head Coach page 104)

[rawaction]

I think the Harbaugh thing is that he wants more control in personnel moves, wants more money, etc. I think if he is losing the lockerroom it is in part because he seemingly has had 1 foot out the door for a long time.

 

Harbaugh is kind of a celebrity coach. He wins, comes from a family of winning coaches, and believes he deserves the world. I think his personality is more suited for the college game as kids are more likely to buy into his celebrity status and either come to his school to play for him or play hard for him on the field.

 

Plus they get to leave through the normal course of events before that type of coaching style grows tiresome. Harbaugh may actually be a really good short-term hire for the Bears, he would probably get this team turned around and in good condition within a year or two. I just don't see how you can structure such a hire in a short-term nature without an ugly outcome within 3-4 years.

 

Wait, I thought a short term solution was what most of you wanted? Otherwise, why keep your offensive core intact? It's not like they're getting any younger (or better, in the case of everyone not named Jeffery).

 

Offensive core is going to improve or be gone either way. I don't see the point in hiring a coach that you cant see being there as long as like Belichick has been in New England. I want a coach that's going to outlast all the players here.

[UK1679666180]

Any thoughts on Billick, I wanted him last time over T restman.

[Guest]

Any thoughts on Billick, I wanted him last time over T restman.

I guess there's a bit to like, I'm just not as enamored with any coach who's been gone from coaching so long (with Gruden, Cowher, etc).

 

 

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[Soul]

Any thoughts on Billick, I wanted him last time over T restman.

I guess there's a bit to like, I'm just not as enamored with any coach who's been gone from coaching so long (with Gruden, Cowher, etc).

 

 

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Has a coach ever spent say 5 years away and then returned to win consistently?

 

Not that it couldn't happen but I get a visual of Joe Gibbs. And it makes me think I'd rather try something other than dusting someone off the shelf.

 

I guess Pete Carroll. Still doesn't change my mind. And he stayed in coaching.

[rawaction]

Any thoughts on Billick, I wanted him last time over T restman.

I guess there's a bit to like, I'm just not as enamored with any coach who's been gone from coaching so long (with Gruden, Cowher, etc).

 

 

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Has a coach ever spent say 5 years away and then returned to win consistently?

 

Not that it couldn't happen but I get a visual of Joe Gibbs. And it makes me think I'd rather try something other than dusting someone off the shelf.

 

I guess Pete Carroll. Still doesn't change my mind. And he stayed in coaching.

 

Wasn't Dick Vermeil gone for a while and then come back successfully with the Rams.

[jersey cubs fan]

Any thoughts on Billick, I wanted him last time over T restman.

I guess there's a bit to like, I'm just not as enamored with any coach who's been gone from coaching so long (with Gruden, Cowher, etc).

 

 

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Has a coach ever spent say 5 years away and then returned to win consistently?

 

Not that it couldn't happen but I get a visual of Joe Gibbs. And it makes me think I'd rather try something other than dusting someone off the shelf.

 

I guess Pete Carroll. Still doesn't change my mind. And he stayed in coaching.

 

Wasn't Dick Vermeil gone for a while and then come back successfully with the Rams.

 

Is 15 years a long time?

 

I think somebody like Billick, who follows the game closely as an announcer would have a chance to come back strong. He's watching film and talking with current coaches all the time.

 

But was he ever that good to begin with? Didn't he have an offensive guru tag and not actually guru anything at all?

 

I'm still going back to Kubiak. He's been in the NFL for a long time. He's been on multiple staffs, had his one chance at head coach and despite a good deal of success, left on a sour note. Second chance head coach with offensive strengths and plenty of relationships should be able to create a very strong NFL caliber staff with no Canadian coaches and limited college coaches.

[apete6]

Any thoughts on Billick, I wanted him last time over T restman.

I guess there's a bit to like, I'm just not as enamored with any coach who's been gone from coaching so long (with Gruden, Cowher, etc).

 

 

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Has a coach ever spent say 5 years away and then returned to win consistently?

 

Not that it couldn't happen but I get a visual of Joe Gibbs. And it makes me think I'd rather try something other than dusting someone off the shelf.

 

I guess Pete Carroll. Still doesn't change my mind. And he stayed in coaching.

 

Wasn't Dick Vermeil gone for a while and then come back successfully with the Rams.

 

Is 15 years a long time?

 

I think somebody like Billick, who follows the game closely as an announcer would have a chance to come back strong. He's watching film and talking with current coaches all the time.

 

But was he ever that good to begin with? Didn't he have an offensive guru tag and not actually guru anything at all?

 

I'm still going back to Kubiak. He's been in the NFL for a long time. He's been on multiple staffs, had his one chance at head coach and despite a good deal of success, left on a sour note. Second chance head coach with offensive strengths and plenty of relationships should be able to create a very strong NFL caliber staff with no Canadian coaches and limited college coaches.

 

Billick said on Boers & Bernstein that he doesn't have any interest in coming back and coaching. Doesn't want the time commitment anymore. I'm sure a giant bag of money would help change his mind, but I don't think he's that great of a coach anyway. Ravens won because of outstanding drafting, especially on defense. He was a great OC with Randy Moss, Cris Carter, and Randall Cunningham, pretty sure most people would have gotten the job done with that core.

 

Kubiak is interesting, I guess, but Schaub completely falling apart has to be partly on him, no?

[rawaction]

Any thoughts on Billick, I wanted him last time over T restman.

I guess there's a bit to like, I'm just not as enamored with any coach who's been gone from coaching so long (with Gruden, Cowher, etc).

 

 

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Has a coach ever spent say 5 years away and then returned to win consistently?

 

Not that it couldn't happen but I get a visual of Joe Gibbs. And it makes me think I'd rather try something other than dusting someone off the shelf.

 

I guess Pete Carroll. Still doesn't change my mind. And he stayed in coaching.

 

Wasn't Dick Vermeil gone for a while and then come back successfully with the Rams.

 

Is 15 years a long time?

 

I think somebody like Billick, who follows the game closely as an announcer would have a chance to come back strong. He's watching film and talking with current coaches all the time.

 

But was he ever that good to begin with? Didn't he have an offensive guru tag and not actually guru anything at all?

 

I'm still going back to Kubiak. He's been in the NFL for a long time. He's been on multiple staffs, had his one chance at head coach and despite a good deal of success, left on a sour note. Second chance head coach with offensive strengths and plenty of relationships should be able to create a very strong NFL caliber staff with no Canadian coaches and limited college coaches.

 

Yeah, there are a couple levels of TV coaches. There's Tony Dungy who tries to figure out how everyone feels emotionally. There's Cowher who still talks about how tough everyone is. Then there's Gruden, who just spouts crazy [expletive]. Billick actually still breaks down film and notices tendencies. But yeah, he was considered an offensive guru from his Minnesota days, where he had 2 of the top 5 WRs in NFL history (though he did go from Moon to Brad Johnson to Cunningham and not skip a beat). Of course he got the Ravens job and they never did anything on offense and were carried by the defense to a title. Also, he's 60 so, not interested.

 

Kubiak, I could deal with.

[jersey cubs fan]

Kubiak is interesting, I guess, but Schaub completely falling apart has to be partly on him, no?

 

I don't see why.

He was a 3rd round QB who turned into the most prolific passer in the league then he fell apart in his early 30s. I think Kubiak got the most out of him. It didn't last long, but Schaub isn't Peyton Manning. I'm not sure why the coach would be blamed for a QB going from very good to Johnny TAINTville in one season.

[rawaction]

Kubiak is interesting, I guess, but Schaub completely falling apart has to be partly on him, no?

 

I don't see why.

He was a 3rd round QB who turned into the most prolific passer in the league then he fell apart in his early 30s. I think Kubiak got the most out of him. It didn't last long, but Schaub isn't Peyton Manning. I'm not sure why the coach would be blamed for a QB going from very good to Johnny TAINTville in one season.

 

Yeah, Schaub was smoke and mirrors for a while. Andre Johnson was really good during Schaub's peak, like top WR in the league good. And that scheme was excellent.

[apete6]

Kubiak is interesting, I guess, but Schaub completely falling apart has to be partly on him, no?

 

I don't see why.

He was a 3rd round QB who turned into the most prolific passer in the league then he fell apart in his early 30s. I think Kubiak got the most out of him. It didn't last long, but Schaub isn't Peyton Manning. I'm not sure why the coach would be blamed for a QB going from very good to Johnny TAINTville in one season.

 

Yeah, Schaub was smoke and mirrors for a while. Andre Johnson was really good during Schaub's peak, like top WR in the league good. And that scheme was excellent.

 

Yeah, it's basically Shanahan's excellent scheme without all of the douchebaggery that Shanahan brings. I wouldn't hate Kubiak, but I'm still hoping for Rex Ryan and a damn good OC.

[jersey cubs fan]

I really don't get the love for Rex Ryan.

 

The Jets haven't been any better under him than they were under Herm or Mangini. It's a sloppy stupid team.

[Guest]

I really don't get the love for Rex Ryan.

 

The Jets haven't been any better under him than they were under Herm or Mangini. It's a sloppy stupid team.

I like his scheme, and he's an emperor/personality like Parcells. But i think id be happier with him as the DC. plus he's a washout so he'd be easier to keep and less likely to get a promotion.

[jersey cubs fan]

I really don't get the love for Rex Ryan.

 

The Jets haven't been any better under him than they were under Herm or Mangini. It's a sloppy stupid team.

I like his scheme, and he's an emperor/personality like Parcells. But i think id be happier with him as the DC. plus he's a washout so he'd be easier to keep and less likely to get a promotion.

 

What's the benefit of getting an emperor personality?

 

 

Rex has had offensive coordinator issues.

[Guest]

I really don't get the love for Rex Ryan.

 

The Jets haven't been any better under him than they were under Herm or Mangini. It's a sloppy stupid team.

I like his scheme, and he's an emperor/personality like Parcells. But i think id be happier with him as the DC. plus he's a washout so he'd be easier to keep and less likely to get a promotion.

 

What's the benefit of getting an emperor personality?

 

 

Rex has had offensive coordinator issues.

More control and accountability, usually. Sometimes it makes things worse.

[Banedon]

Geez...looking at some lists...Pep Hamilton is considered a head coaching candidate?

[Guest]

If you have some charisma and can inspire loyalty, it can take care of the locker room and create leaders for you.

[Guest]

Geez...looking at some lists...Pep Hamilton is considered a head coaching candidate?

He's come a long way. I'd be interested.

[jersey cubs fan]

Geez...looking at some lists...Pep Hamilton is considered a head coaching candidate?

 

Every coach is considered a candidate by somebody at some point.

[Banedon]

Geez...looking at some lists...Pep Hamilton is considered a head coaching candidate?

He's come a long way. I'd be interested.

 

It would be an interesting hire...he's already worked with Jay for the first year Jay was on the Bears.

[Guest]

Geez...looking at some lists...Pep Hamilton is considered a head coaching candidate?

 

Every coach is considered a candidate by somebody at some point.

Pep will get a job. Most likely this offseason.

[Guest]

Geez...looking at some lists...Pep Hamilton is considered a head coaching candidate?

He's come a long way. I'd be interested.

 

It would be an interesting hire...he's already worked with Jay for the first year Jay was on the Bears.

A lot of people are saying Pep makes Luck look way better than he is.

[Guest]

Geez...looking at some lists...Pep Hamilton is considered a head coaching candidate?

He's come a long way. I'd be interested.

 

It would be an interesting hire...he's already worked with Jay for the first year Jay was on the Bears.

A lot of people are saying Pep makes Luck look way better than he is.

Or vice versa. We'll know once Pep and Luck are separated.

 

 

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[Guest]

I think I can get behind Kubiak. He's kind of like the offensive Del Rio. Long tenure with recent expansion teams with a few years of really good play, a lot of mediocre finishes and leaving on a down note. Also both landed on their feets as strong coordinators again.

 

 

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[bjam12]

Any thoughts on Billick, I wanted him last time over T restman.

 

Billick said on The Score he's done coaching.