2015 Bears Offseason (Foxy new Head Coach page 104)

[Guest]

Bears have the seventh pick as of now. No matter what, they'll be locked into that pick as long as they lose to Minnesota.

[Banedon]

Harbaugh makes perfect sense for Michigan, much less for the Bears. Bowles on the other hand...

 

I know that Bowles is the hot coordinator coaching candidate this year, but are we really going to go back to a defensive HC?

 

If you're going the defensive coach route, why not Rex Ryan? His GM has given him absolute [expletive] to work with on offense and they've been pretty competitive every year except this one.

 

The problem with both Rex and Bowles is that they run 3-4 defenses.

 

Just an FYI, Harbaugh (with Vic Fangio as DC, who I imagine would move with Harbaugh) ran a 3-4 at Stanford and runs a 3-4 now.

 

I wasn't a proponent of Harbaugh for coach, but that's good to know.

 

That said, like everyone else has pointed out, we don't have some great defense that we need to preserve continuity with.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Jimmy is a fiery guy! http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/bears-love-seeing-jimmy-clausens-fire-loss-lions

[jersey cubs fan]

Jimmy is a fiery guy! http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/bears-love-seeing-jimmy-clausens-fire-loss-lions

 

Jimmy's getting upset.

 

 

 

 

 

I can't stand Jim Miller.

[Banedon]

I can't stand Jim Miller.

 

He's such a meatball.

[Guest]

Harbaugh makes perfect sense for Michigan, much less for the Bears. Bowles on the other hand...

 

I know that Bowles is the hot coordinator coaching candidate this year, but are we really going to go back to a defensive HC?

 

If you're going the defensive coach route, why not Rex Ryan? His GM has given him absolute [expletive] to work with on offense and they've been pretty competitive every year except this one.

 

The problem with both Rex and Bowles is that they run 3-4 defenses.

 

Just an FYI, Harbaugh (with Vic Fangio as DC, who I imagine would move with Harbaugh) ran a 3-4 at Stanford and runs a 3-4 now.

 

I wasn't a proponent of Harbaugh for coach, but that's good to know.

 

That said, like everyone else has pointed out, we don't have some great defense that we need to preserve continuity with.

We're not even that far from a 3-4 while still keeping continuity with what we have. If it's a one gap scheme (Phillips) we can basically go forth with the same type of moves we'd make anyways. If it's a two gap scheme well probably see a few extra casualties, maybe one or two of the DTs. You could let Paea walk, who while good will probably cost a decent chunk. Or you could move on from the aging Ratliff at no cap hit- either way that allows you to roll money into the big NT we'd need.

 

Big blow whatever our D ends up being is the Young injury. Really hard not to prioritize an edge rusher now.

 

 

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[RynoRules]

You can hire a defensively minded coach if he gets that he needs an offensive coordinator who knows what he is doing and can make adjustments to his strategy based on his personnel.

[Guest]

Didn't realize Willie Young's injury was this severe:

 

Ruptured Achilles can take up to 12 months to heal and, in some cases, can end a player’s career. According to data collected in 2010, 36 percent of players who ruptured their Achilles during a five-year period from 1997-2002 never returned to the field. That’s one third of all cases, which is significant.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Ouch

[Guest]

Yea I'm expecting PUP and short term IR and anything he gives us is unexpected bonus. They may know by beginning of the season if he is just full IR. Even if he comes back, it may not be with us as his deal is obviously a shorter, smaller one, with no large cap hits if cut.

[Guest]

Or if you want to be real optimistic there's this, but it would obviously be foolish to count on that:

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Team-Doctor-Details-Terrell-Suggs-Amazing-Return/681ef26d-07c8-4198-9f7f-2accd8241c25

[RynoRules]

Losing Young might ultimately be the most significant thing that has happened this season.

[minnesotacubsfan]

So I haven't really been following the Jim Harbaugh stuff, but why exactly is he leaving SF? Is he tired of them or did they grow tired of him?

[jersey cubs fan]

So I haven't really been following the Jim Harbaugh stuff, but why exactly is he leaving SF? Is he tired of them or did they grow tired of him?

This is the thing that makes me think the Bears will steer clear, moreso than the money. This has been a very odd very prolonged break-up of a seemingly successful relationship. That sort of off the field noise isn't going to please a conservative ownership group looking to fix a dysfunctional front office/management situation.

 

 

 

 

 

also I do not know the answer to your question

[Banedon]

So I haven't really been following the Jim Harbaugh stuff, but why exactly is he leaving SF? Is he tired of them or did they grow tired of him?

This is the thing that makes me think the Bears will steer clear, moreso than the money. This has been a very odd very prolonged break-up of a seemingly successful relationship. That sort of off the field noise isn't going to please a conservative ownership group looking to fix a dysfunctional front office/management situation.

 

 

 

 

 

also I do not know the answer to your question

 

There was reports of Harbaugh losing the locker room. And you're right...I don't see why they would go to a guy that's in a public breakup, when they're going through one of their own. One mess to another.

 

I think the Bears look for a guy that's more professional than Harbaugh.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Well that would suck. To me, "professional" has two faces, Lovie and Trestman. One never got angry enough and the other might be a frozen corpse.

[Guest]

I never have figured out why Harbaugh is basically done in SF. Don't really care all that much, I guess.

 

I don't see him coming to Chicago given the strange break up coupled with his heavy price tag. Seems like a good fit for him to go to Michigan at this point.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well that would suck. To me, "professional" has two faces, Lovie and Trestman. One never got angry enough and the other might be a frozen corpse.

 

So you are a Lovie wasn't "angry enough" person?

Is Belichick angry enough?

 

FWIW, I think there is also the Tom Coughlin no-nonsense type of more professional coach. He's a screamer if that is more to your liking.

Edited December 23, 2014 by jersey cubs fan

[Banedon]

Well that would suck. To me, "professional" has two faces, Lovie and Trestman. One never got angry enough and the other might be a frozen corpse.

 

It wouldn't suck to me. I don't need Harbaugh's antics.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Well that would suck. To me, "professional" has two faces, Lovie and Trestman. One never got angry enough and the other might be a frozen corpse.

 

So you are a Lovie wasn't "angry enough" person?

Is Belichick angry enough?

 

FWIW, I think there is also the Tom Coughlin no-nonsense type of more professional coach. He's a screamer if that is more to your liking.

 

I've seen Belichick get far more pissed off then Lovie, mostly towards refs. It always seemed like Lovie never challenged calls, or did it well.

 

Coughlin has two SBs. Maybe there is something to screaming, professionally speaking.

[rawaction]

I think the Harbaugh thing is that he wants more control in personnel moves, wants more money, etc. I think if he is losing the lockerroom it is in part because he seemingly has had 1 foot out the door for a long time.

 

Harbaugh is kind of a celebrity coach. He wins, comes from a family of winning coaches, and believes he deserves the world. I think his personality is more suited for the college game as kids are more likely to buy into his celebrity status and either come to his school to play for him or play hard for him on the field.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think the Harbaugh thing is that he wants more control in personnel moves, wants more money, etc. I think if he is losing the lockerroom it is in part because he seemingly has had 1 foot out the door for a long time.

 

Harbaugh is kind of a celebrity coach. He wins, comes from a family of winning coaches, and believes he deserves the world. I think his personality is more suited for the college game as kids are more likely to buy into his celebrity status and either come to his school to play for him or play hard for him on the field.

 

Plus they get to leave through the normal course of events before that type of coaching style grows tiresome. Harbaugh may actually be a really good short-term hire for the Bears, he would probably get this team turned around and in good condition within a year or two. I just don't see how you can structure such a hire in a short-term nature without an ugly outcome within 3-4 years.

[rawaction]

I think the Harbaugh thing is that he wants more control in personnel moves, wants more money, etc. I think if he is losing the lockerroom it is in part because he seemingly has had 1 foot out the door for a long time.

 

Harbaugh is kind of a celebrity coach. He wins, comes from a family of winning coaches, and believes he deserves the world. I think his personality is more suited for the college game as kids are more likely to buy into his celebrity status and either come to his school to play for him or play hard for him on the field.

 

Plus they get to leave through the normal course of events before that type of coaching style grows tiresome. Harbaugh may actually be a really good short-term hire for the Bears, he would probably get this team turned around and in good condition within a year or two. I just don't see how you can structure such a hire in a short-term nature without an ugly outcome within 3-4 years.

 

Exactly. That's why I don't want him in Chicago. It's the same thing the league dealt with with a guy like Parcells, kinda the Gruden situation also. Coaches that win perenially and have that ego aren't going to take a job unless they get full control with a GM and ownership that just sits there and look pretty while they win and showers him with more money and control when things do go right.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I want to be showered with money and power

[Lenny]

I think the Harbaugh thing is that he wants more control in personnel moves, wants more money, etc. I think if he is losing the lockerroom it is in part because he seemingly has had 1 foot out the door for a long time.

 

Harbaugh is kind of a celebrity coach. He wins, comes from a family of winning coaches, and believes he deserves the world. I think his personality is more suited for the college game as kids are more likely to buy into his celebrity status and either come to his school to play for him or play hard for him on the field.

 

Plus they get to leave through the normal course of events before that type of coaching style grows tiresome. Harbaugh may actually be a really good short-term hire for the Bears, he would probably get this team turned around and in good condition within a year or two. I just don't see how you can structure such a hire in a short-term nature without an ugly outcome within 3-4 years.

 

Wait, I thought a short term solution was what most of you wanted? Otherwise, why keep your offensive core intact? It's not like they're getting any younger (or better, in the case of everyone not named Jeffery).