2013 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

[UK1679666180]

They know the parameters of each player they'll take and budget it accordingly, any wild card will come from an agent demanding more than previously thought which could later be allocated when they select a likely unsignable pick in the teens as a fall-back option (there really isn't a fallback option for Bryant).

 

Based on what I've seen from the reports, they've selected two avg (50-54) prospects with these last two picks and they'll be scattered throughout these 1st 10 rounds. There likely won't be much of an OFP difference between rds. 2-10, with the exception of a marginal senior sign (10-25K) and hopefully an above avg. above slot guy or two.

[Guest]

Agreed but we can try to infer some ideas on slotting demans based on prospect media opinions.

 

I'm probably just missing it, but I don't see what would be the point of taking an underslot in order to overslot later.

 

Wouldn't you take the overslot first and then underslots after?

 

Less risk. The later you can take the overslot guy, the less of your pool you're gambling on him being able to sign on the dotted line.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Agreed but we can try to infer some ideas on slotting demans based on prospect media opinions.

 

I'm probably just missing it, but I don't see what would be the point of taking an underslot in order to overslot later.

 

Wouldn't you take the overslot first and then underslots after?

 

I'm guessing so you don't have to surrender the money if they don't sign?

 

That kind of makes sense. Maybe. My head hurts (partially from draft machinations, and partially because my toddler is sitting behind me on the couch and beating the hell out of me whenever Captain Hook tries to screw over Jake)

[davell]

I've got no clue what we're doing. Maybe saving to make a serious run at Jones or Serrano? Maybe Whitson or Sheffield?

 

Maybe our front office didn't subscribe to BA and just did some scouting and then took some players they liked.

 

shhhhhhhhh that makes too much sense

 

What fun is a draft if you can't game-theory the hell out of it?

 

No, you're right. Lets not even attempt to wonder why our early round picks are relative unknowns. Makes about as much sense as your variance [expletive] you come up with every day.

[jersey cubs fan]

I've got no clue what we're doing. Maybe saving to make a serious run at Jones or Serrano? Maybe Whitson or Sheffield?

Possibly and/or Bryant is going to take slot+ to sign.

 

If Bryant costs overslot, I'd have went a different direction.

 

If they thought he was the most talented player available, I wouldn't have.

Agree, it would be nice if they could go under and save, but if not, as long as he's the best they could get, fine by me.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The 22 year old freshman part strikes me as odd. But hey, I'd rather they take that type of gamble here than with the first rounder.

[ScrubMD]

Uggh! I wish our FO would stop being so cheap and pony up to get past the paywall on some of these scout sites so they'd know who the best players are.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

No, you're right. Lets not even attempt to wonder why our early round picks are relative unknowns. Makes about as much sense as your variance [expletive] you come up with every day.

 

They're relative unknowns because there's a bajillion guys worth taking in the 2nd-5th rounds and no publication or pundit really scouts them all.

[Elrhino]

A Milwaukee scout, based in St. George, informed the Hannemanns that only five returned missionaries have made it to major leagues — and none from Utah.

 

 

General manager Theo Epstein, the architect of the championship Boston teams who now works for the Chicago Cubs, apparently marveled at Hannemann's fluidness. He could look better going 0-for-5 than some players that go 5-for-5, Howard recounts Epstein saying.

 

 

http://www.heraldextra.com/sports/college/byu/baseball/byu-s-hannemann-likely-to-get-drafted-high-in-baseball/article_50ac6e36-ceb5-11e2-95ee-001a4bcf887a.html

[imb]

A Milwaukee scout, based in St. George, informed the Hannemanns that only five returned missionaries have made it to major leagues — and none from Utah.

 

new market inefficiency

[Guest]

They don't even know what his title is. SMH.

[jersey cubs fan]

General manager Theo Epstein, the architect of the championship Boston teams who now works for the Chicago Cubs, apparently marveled at Hannemann's fluidness. He could look better going 0-for-5 than some players that go 5-for-5, Howard recounts Epstein saying.

 

 

http://www.heraldextra.com/sports/college/byu/baseball/byu-s-hannemann-likely-to-get-drafted-high-in-baseball/article_50ac6e36-ceb5-11e2-95ee-001a4bcf887a.html

 

Oh my god that is an awful, scary, frightening, terrible quote.

[Guest]

No, you're right. Lets not even attempt to wonder why our early round picks are relative unknowns. Makes about as much sense as your variance [expletive] you come up with every day.

 

Guys like these guys are the guys our FO is notorious for. And yeah, they might also be saving the overslots for later.

[Guest]

General manager Theo Epstein, the architect of the championship Boston teams who now works for the Chicago Cubs, apparently marveled at Hannemann's fluidness. He could look better going 0-for-5 than some players that go 5-for-5, Howard recounts Epstein saying.

 

 

http://www.heraldextra.com/sports/college/byu/baseball/byu-s-hannemann-likely-to-get-drafted-high-in-baseball/article_50ac6e36-ceb5-11e2-95ee-001a4bcf887a.html

 

Oh my god that is an awful, scary, frightening, terrible quote.

 

If it came out of the mouth of a dumb grizzled old scouty guy, I'd agree.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Fun fact: Boston's 3rd round picks under this front office combined for 0.2 bWAR.

[jersey cubs fan]

No, you're right. Lets not even attempt to wonder why our early round picks are relative unknowns. Makes about as much sense as your variance [expletive] you come up with every day.

 

Guys like these guys are the guys our FO is notorious for. And yeah, they might also be saving the overslots for later.

 

I'd get worked up over "unknown" 1st rounders, but 3rd rounders? No.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

No, you're right. Lets not even attempt to wonder why our early round picks are relative unknowns. Makes about as much sense as your variance [expletive] you come up with every day.

 

Guys like these guys are the guys our FO is notorious for. And yeah, they might also be saving the overslots for later.

 

Why are you arguing with yourself?

[Guest]

Agreed but we can try to infer some ideas on slotting demans based on prospect media opinions.

 

I'm probably just missing it, but I don't see what would be the point of taking an underslot in order to overslot later.

 

Wouldn't you take the overslot first and then underslots after?

 

Less risk. The later you can take the overslot guy, the less of your pool you're gambling on him being able to sign on the dotted line.

 

Exactly.

[Guest]

No, you're right. Lets not even attempt to wonder why our early round picks are relative unknowns. Makes about as much sense as your variance [expletive] you come up with every day.

 

Guys like these guys are the guys our FO is notorious for. And yeah, they might also be saving the overslots for later.

 

I'd get worked up over "unknown" 1st rounders, but 3rd rounders? No.

 

Yeah.

[Guest]

@keithlaw: Guessing they cut deals to pay Bryant RT @Colman_Conneely: have you seen the cubs last 2 picks? I don't know what to think.

[Tryptamine]

There goes Tarpley. That sucks.

[Vinestal]

You can never have to many athletic outfielders right?

[craig]

I'm with Kyle on this. I think the obsession with $$ being way overblown.

 

These are just straight-out scouting picks, BPA (so long as price doesn't go Serrano-prohibitive).

 

Callis might have Hannemann at 214, but Cub scouts saw it differently. Callis might have Z at 76, Cubs saw him being much better than that.

 

Neither pick was made to save money. They were made as scouting picks, because McLeod etc. likes these guys. Maybe for good reason, maybe not. But it's just an issue of scouting, not money.

 

From the quotes, it sounds like Hannemann might sign for slot. But if he's off of slot, he'll probably be over rather than under.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm with Kyle on this. I think the obsession with $$ being way overblown.

 

These are just straight-out scouting picks, BPA (so long as price doesn't go Serrano-prohibitive).

 

Callis might have Hannemann at 214, but Cub scouts saw it differently. Callis might have Z at 76, Cubs saw him being much better than that.

 

Neither pick was made to save money. They were made as scouting picks, because McLeod etc. likes these guys. Maybe for good reason, maybe not. But it's just an issue of scouting, not money.

 

From the quotes, it sounds like Hannemann might sign for slot. But if he's off of slot, he'll probably be over rather than under.

 

Not sure how you can speak so definitively about how money has nothing to do with it.

[ctcf]

Looks like Wahl might still be available in the 4th.