Might as well have a David Price thread

[imb]

the rays don't need baez -- they have superstar prospect hak ju lee waiting in the wings

[SouthSideRyan]

the rays don't need baez -- they have superstar prospect hak ju lee waiting in the wings

 

If only Clevenger didn't die, he could've taken over for Chirinos.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'd MUCH rather spend the required assets to get Stanton over Price.

Yes, this x100

 

Same here. Not even close.

[KingCubsFan]

I don't get why the Cubs would be the front-runners for Price and not even in the top 5 for Stanton. If Stanton is available, there's no way Epstein doesn't stay involved in those discussions until the very end. Especially given the Marlins' track record in trading away their stars.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't get why the Cubs would be the front-runners for Price and not even in the top 5 for Stanton. If Stanton is available, there's no way Epstein doesn't stay involved in those discussions until the very end. Especially given the Marlins' track record in trading away their stars.

 

The reason are that Stanton will cost more talent, while Price would cost more money. So a team like the Cubs, with lesser valued prospects to offer but plenty of cash to spend (if they want to) would be more in line for Price. Additionally, the Cubs prospects base is more position player heavy with no high end pitching, so their perceived need would also be in-line with the asset they appear to be more able to afford.

[USSoccer]

I don't get why the Cubs would be the front-runners for Price and not even in the top 5 for Stanton. If Stanton is available, there's no way Epstein doesn't stay involved in those discussions until the very end. Especially given the Marlins' track record in trading away their stars.

 

The reason are that Stanton will cost more talent, while Price would cost more money. So a team like the Cubs, with lesser valued prospects to offer but plenty of cash to spend (if they want to) would be more in line for Price. Additionally, the Cubs prospects base is more position player heavy with no high end pitching, so their perceived need would also be in-line with the asset they appear to be more able to afford.

 

On the other hand, Tampa Bay isn't really known for accepting less than an overpay for their players. I think they end player cost would be about the same; given that, Stanton's by far the better target.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

Different front office for the Cubs, but Tampa might have hard feelings after we fleeced them over big time in the Garza trade.

[Warpticon]

Different front office for the Cubs, but Tampa might have hard feelings after we fleeced them over big time in the Garza trade.

 

Yeah, they must feel horrible with their measly 2 top-100 prospects when they could have Garza on their DL instead.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

Different front office for the Cubs, but Tampa might have hard feelings after we fleeced them over big time in the Garza trade.

 

Yeah, they must feel horrible with their measly 2 top-100 prospects when they could have Garza on their DL instead.

 

Garza has been worth 5.9 wins since joining the Cubs and could have netted a haul in another trade if he didn't land up on the DL. Whether or not the Cubs decide to keep him, or flip him again this summer, I think it's safe to say, the Cubs easily won the trade.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Cubs probably won that trade, but it wasn't anywhere close to a don't do deals with them again win. Not that I think Friedman would be the type to ever act that way to begin with (even if it was the same Cubs regime)

[Warpticon]

Different front office for the Cubs, but Tampa might have hard feelings after we fleeced them over big time in the Garza trade.

 

Yeah, they must feel horrible with their measly 2 top-100 prospects when they could have Garza on their DL instead.

 

Garza has been worth 5.9 wins since joining the Cubs and could have netted a haul in another trade if he didn't land up on the DL. Whether or not the Cubs decide to keep him, or flip him again this summer, I think it's safe to say, the Cubs easily won the trade.

 

There's a pretty enormous difference between "won the trade" and "fleeced them so bad they never want to deal with the Cubs again." And that's not taking into account the future production of those prospects, or the fact that the Rays could easily trade two top-100 picks for something of value as well.

[jersey cubs fan]

Different front office for the Cubs, but Tampa might have hard feelings after we fleeced them over big time in the Garza trade.

 

Yeah, they must feel horrible with their measly 2 top-100 prospects when they could have Garza on their DL instead.

 

Garza has been worth 5.9 wins since joining the Cubs and could have netted a haul in another trade if he didn't land up on the DL. Whether or not the Cubs decide to keep him, or flip him again this summer, I think it's safe to say, the Cubs easily won the trade.

 

There's a pretty enormous difference between "won the trade" and "fleeced them so bad they never want to deal with the Cubs again." And that's not taking into account the future production of those prospects, or the fact that the Rays could easily trade two top-100 picks for something of value as well.

 

And that they didn't have to pay Garza any money the last two years. The whole point of trading him in the first place was he was about to get expensive. They didn't want to spend $6m on him, which would have been like 15% of their payroll. The Cubs will have spent $26m on Garza by the time this season is over. Tampa didn't want to do that.

[Guest]

Hak-Ju Lee's inexplicable status as a top 100 prospect means nothing because he sucks.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

As was stated earlier, I'd rather get Stanton than Price. I think he would provide a much, much greater return and would probably give me reason to get really excited about this team.

 

That being said, Price wouldn't be a bad acquisition. But, I guess we're still at the question of whether we have the money to pay him. Until the question of how much payroll we can take on until the renovation is complete, there's always going to be a bit of skepticism on my part that we will go after a big money player. And admittedly, my skepticism may be off-base, but right now it's still how I view things.

[apete6]

As was stated earlier, I'd rather get Stanton than Price. I think he would provide a much, much greater return and would probably give me reason to get really excited about this team.

 

That being said, Price wouldn't be a bad acquisition. But, I guess we're still at the question of whether we have the money to pay him. Until the question of how much payroll we can take on until the renovation is complete, there's always going to be a bit of skepticism on my part that we will go after a big money player. And admittedly, my skepticism may be off-base, but right now it's still how I view things.

 

Trade for Stanton, sign Price as a free agent. Done and Done.

[Martin]

Im in the No camp when it comes to trading for Price. We have a need for a top pitcher and Price would fit the bill but we also have a big need to improve the hitting in the team and we would most likely have to give up most of our hitting prospects to get Price which is too steep in my opinion.

 

I did wonder though before the season began reading about Baez and how he wouldnt be moved to 3B and would continue his development in the minors as a SS which i thought was strange seeing as we have a need for a 3B and have Castro at SS not unless Baez is being groomed as part of a potential trade for Price.

[Guest]

Im in the No camp when it comes to trading for Price. We have a need for a top pitcher and Price would fit the bill but we also have a big need to improve the hitting in the team and we would most likely have to give up most of our hitting prospects to get Price which is too steep in my opinion.

 

I did wonder though before the season began reading about Baez and how he wouldnt be moved to 3B and would continue his development in the minors as a SS which i thought was strange seeing as we have a need for a 3B and have Castro at SS not unless Baez is being groomed as part of a potential trade for Price.

 

There's no reason to move a guy off a position he is more valuable at until you absolutely have to. It's not going to take some crazy learning/development curve to move one of them from SS to 3B ultimately.

[Martin]

Im in the No camp when it comes to trading for Price. We have a need for a top pitcher and Price would fit the bill but we also have a big need to improve the hitting in the team and we would most likely have to give up most of our hitting prospects to get Price which is too steep in my opinion.

 

I did wonder though before the season began reading about Baez and how he wouldnt be moved to 3B and would continue his development in the minors as a SS which i thought was strange seeing as we have a need for a 3B and have Castro at SS not unless Baez is being groomed as part of a potential trade for Price.

 

There's no reason to move a guy off a position he is more valuable at until you absolutely have to. It's not going to take some crazy learning/development curve to move one of them from SS to 3B ultimately.

 

Oh i understand that its not a big leap from SS to 3B as he would have the skill set to play that position and i take on board what you have just said.

[RammyFanny]

The rival GM added, "He will be Tampa's No. 1 starter once they trade Price (to the Cubs or Rangers)."

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22164590/stock-watch-talent-price-small-p-right-for-moore-to-replace-ace

[GammonsPocketTweets]

Maybe the Rangers spend a lot to get Price and that opens the door for the Cubs to win the Stanton derby?

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

I'm getting to the point where I'll be bummed if we don't get one of Stanton or Price. Shame there's no chance either one will hit free agency.

[Tryptamine]

Is no one else worried that Stanton is this young and seemingly constantly hurt? He just hit the DL again with a quad issue. His body may be completely broken down by age 30.

[Banedon]

Is no one else worried that Stanton is this young and seemingly constantly hurt? He just hit the DL again with a quad issue. His body may be completely broken down by age 30.

 

He said after the game that he heard a pop in his leg and that he fears the injury might be serious. He's scheduled for an MRI on Tuesday.

 

He hit a tapper in front of the plate and clutched his right hamstring just before he crossed first base, trying in vain to beat the throw. He then fell face-first to the turf and pounded the grass in anger.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm getting to the point where I'll be bummed if we don't get one of Stanton or Price. Shame there's no chance either one will hit free agency.

 

I kind of see how people are superficially seeing a fit between the Cubs and Rays for Price, but I just think the cons outweigh the pros in terms of likelihood of it happening.

 

We're going to pay a huge haul of prospects *and* a massive contract extension for a pitcher who turns 30 during our first "ready to compete" year? Tampa Bay's going to find what it wants in a system that has very little in terms of impact prospects above A-ball (though some of them might have had a small taste of AA by the end of the year)?

 

All for a pitcher who is a 2-win improvement over a guy on Garza's level? Not that two-win improvements aren't important, but it seems like this front office would want to pick up a bunch of the cheaper, less commital improvement options we have available to us.

 

The only way it makes sense for us is if we're trying to turn on the switch and be a 90+ win team in 2014, and I don't see how we're likely to get there even with a Price trade.

 

The only way it makes sense for Tampa Bay is if they *really* like Baez or Soler even more than most people.

[KingCubsFan]

I'm getting to the point where I'll be bummed if we don't get one of Stanton or Price. Shame there's no chance either one will hit free agency.

 

I kind of see how people are superficially seeing a fit between the Cubs and Rays for Price, but I just think the cons outweigh the pros in terms of likelihood of it happening.

 

We're going to pay a huge haul of prospects *and* a massive contract extension for a pitcher who turns 30 during our first "ready to compete" year? Tampa Bay's going to find what it wants in a system that has very little in terms of impact prospects above A-ball (though some of them might have had a small taste of AA by the end of the year)?

 

All for a pitcher who is a 2-win improvement over a guy on Garza's level? Not that two-win improvements aren't important, but it seems like this front office would want to pick up a bunch of the cheaper, less commital improvement options we have available to us.

 

The only way it makes sense for us is if we're trying to turn on the switch and be a 90+ win team in 2014, and I don't see how we're likely to get there even with a Price trade.

 

The only way it makes sense for Tampa Bay is if they *really* like Baez or Soler even more than most people.

I agree, it doesn't really fit into Theo's model. But a rotation of Price, Samardzija, Garza, Jackson and Wood would be pretty incredible (and still good even if they decided to get rid of Garza). You combine that with an actual bullpen and you could be looking at a pretty good team.

 

One thing about Price is that he's gotten better as he's relied less on his fastball and more on his curveball and changeup. So maybe the inevitable decrease in velocity won't hurt him as much in the future in the event he's given a long-term contract.