Bears Offseason Thread (Trestman new HC, pg 37)

[Sosa21MVP]

Yes, I'm sure Trestman would have come to Chicago to be the OC for a lame duck coach when the whole reason he bolted to Canada in the first place was that he grew weary of a lack of stability from his head coaches getting fired and having to jump from job to job. :roll:

[Sammy Sofa]

How many teams actually let a HC coach out their final year? Seems like they are always either getting extended or fired before it. Having a coach hanging on a single season doesn't seem like a good way to try and build a new staff.

[Guest]

Well, there's some assumption there, but I'll agree with your conclusion that you have to think about ramifications, but ultimately, the overhaul of the offense was the priority here.

 

I dont understand why you cant overhaul the offensive staff while leaving Lovie, Taub, and D coaches (likely retaining Hoke as the DB coach). Its almost impossible for me to believe that Trestman wouldnt accept the OC ("HC of the Offense") job here in chicago.

 

We have a mature team, so an overhaul with all new coaches (whom are all recieving huge promotions from all their prior jobs) is incredibly stupid. We are paying Lovie $5mln. Why not let him coach out the contract with trestman as OC and reevaluate after the season. We won 10 games last year and likely could have won 11-12 had Cutler stayed healthy or Hester not dropping that one pass. A few upgrades offensively and this was a contending team with the current staff in place.

 

Love, Taub, Marinelli, etc... are part of Angelo's regime, and Emery gave it a season before bringing in his own people. I'm sure he would have been happy to retain the defensive guys, but inevitably it was they who likely chose to leave.

 

I liked Lovie, and I don't really blame him for the failures of this team as much as I blame the former GM for not bringing in quality protection for the offense. They didn't need a great offense to be a good playoff caliber team. They did need protection, and that more than anything was why this team didn't win the games they needed to win.

[Banedon]

Well, there's some assumption there, but I'll agree with your conclusion that you have to think about ramifications, but ultimately, the overhaul of the offense was the priority here.

 

I dont understand why you cant overhaul the offensive staff while leaving Lovie, Taub, and D coaches (likely retaining Hoke as the DB coach). Its almost impossible for me to believe that Trestman wouldnt accept the OC ("HC of the Offense") job here in chicago.

 

We have a mature team, so an overhaul with all new coaches (whom are all recieving huge promotions from all their prior jobs) is incredibly stupid. We are paying Lovie $5mln. Why not let him coach out the contract with trestman as OC and reevaluate after the season. We won 10 games last year and likely could have won 11-12 had Cutler stayed healthy or Hester not dropping that one pass. A few upgrades offensively and this was a contending team with the current staff in place.

 

So you're confused why they wouldn't let Lovie have a 5th offensive coordinator? The team was too comfortable with Lovie. It was time for some "uncomfortableness" on this team. I don't know if Trestman will be the right choice. But I have no doubt that parting ways with Lovie was the right choice.

[Ryne Ween]

Yes, I'm sure Trestman would have come to Chicago to be the OC for a lame duck coach when the whole reason he bolted to Canada in the first place was that he grew weary of a lack of stability from his head coaches getting fired and having to jump from job to job. :roll:

 

I dont know why that eye-roll worthy. Emery is the boss of the team and should be able to assuage Trestman's fears of instability with a combo of assurances and years on his deal as OC. I dont think Trestman was a serious contender for any other HC jobs this year and likely would have become a serious candidate next year if his bear offense performed.

 

I cant find the exact years, but Im almost sure that Angelo completely overhauled the offensive staff before 2010 in Lovie's final contract year. Correct? If it wasnt Lovie's final year, it was definately a "last chance" year.

Edited January 18, 2013 by Ryne Ween

[WrigleyField 22]

Its upsetting Marinelli chose to leave, but if that was the collateral damage of changing the overall team's direction, than its worth it. It remains to be seen if Trestman will be the correct choice over Arians or a ton of other candidates, but we weren't going to fix the offense with Lovie in charge. The closest Lovie ever got to putting up an offense was a couple years with Turner.

 

Ironically, I just read yesterday, Lovie interviewed Trestman when talks with Terry Shea almost broke down in 04. Bwahahahaha. So maybe we could have had that dream set up with Lovie's cover 2 and Trestman as HC of the offense, but we're 8 years past that now. Lovie never managed to put together an offensive staff and it would have been silly to give him even one more chance.

 

 

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[Banedon]

Matt Cavanaugh announced as QB coach, and Skip Peete as RB coach. Cavanaugh has been QB coach for the Jets since 2009. Start the Tebow speculation?

[Ryne Ween]

Matt Cavanaugh announced as QB coach, and Skip Peete as RB coach. Cavanaugh has been QB coach for the Jets since 2009.

 

Trestman getting the '96 Niners band back together.

[Cubswin11]

Matt Cavanaugh announced as QB coach, and Skip Peete as RB coach. Cavanaugh has been QB coach for the Jets since 2009.

How has he managed to keep an NFL job the last 4 years?

[Ryne Ween]

Matt Cavanaugh announced as QB coach, and Skip Peete as RB coach. Cavanaugh has been QB coach for the Jets since 2009.

How has he managed to keep an NFL job the last 4 years?

 

Actually I think hes a good coach who has had horrendous talent as an OC here and in baltimore. Those Pitt teams had solid offenses with Palko and then Mccoy/Stephens-Howling/Graham. I dont think Matt Cavanaugh is gonna hurt us.

[Banedon]

Matt Cavanaugh announced as QB coach, and Skip Peete as RB coach. Cavanaugh has been QB coach for the Jets since 2009.

How has he managed to keep an NFL job the last 4 years?

 

Actually I think hes a good coach who has had horrendous talent as an OC here and in baltimore. Those Pitt teams had solid offenses with Palko and then Mccoy/Stephens-Howling/Graham. I dont think Matt Cavanaugh is gonna hurt us.

 

Well yeah, he's a QB coach. I don't think QB coach has ever hurt a team.

[KingCubsFan]

Matt Cavanaugh announced as QB coach, and Skip Peete as RB coach. Cavanaugh has been QB coach for the Jets since 2009. Start the Tebow speculation?

Didn't he used to be a coach here?

[Banedon]

Matt Cavanaugh announced as QB coach, and Skip Peete as RB coach. Cavanaugh has been QB coach for the Jets since 2009. Start the Tebow speculation?

Didn't he used to be a coach here?

 

Yep. For like a year during the Wanny administration.

[Banedon]

@SeanKJensen

 

Indications are #Bears are going to be aggressive about defensive coordinator vacancy today. Believed Jon Hoke is a candidate.

[sneakypower]

replacing an ousted Marinelli with Hoke would really make me have to work harder to hate the Bears

[davell]

Raheem Morris and Tucker getting mentioned for DC.

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

Well, there's some assumption there, but I'll agree with your conclusion that you have to think about ramifications, but ultimately, the overhaul of the offense was the priority here.

 

I dont understand why you cant overhaul the offensive staff while leaving Lovie, Taub, and D coaches (likely retaining Hoke as the DB coach). Its almost impossible for me to believe that Trestman wouldnt accept the OC ("HC of the Offense") job here in chicago.

 

We have a mature team, so an overhaul with all new coaches (whom are all recieving huge promotions from all their prior jobs) is incredibly stupid. We are paying Lovie $5mln. Why not let him coach out the contract with trestman as OC and reevaluate after the season. We won 10 games last year and likely could have won 11-12 had Cutler stayed healthy or Hester not dropping that one pass. A few upgrades offensively and this was a contending team with the current staff in place.

I don't remember where I heard it, but this week someone was talking about Offensive vs Defensive head coaches and made a good point. They mentioned that with an offensive head coach, they just let the DC run the defense--because everyone has the same goal there. But when you have a Defensive head coach, they can hamper the offense because of their beliefs in controlling the clock and things like "we get off the bus running." Not all of them are like that, obviously (ie New Engrland). But Lovie did believe in those things and I think Lovie had enough of a chance with offensive coordinators over his tenure.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yes, I'm sure Trestman would have come to Chicago to be the OC for a lame duck coach when the whole reason he bolted to Canada in the first place was that he grew weary of a lack of stability from his head coaches getting fired and having to jump from job to job. :roll:

 

I dont know why that eye-roll worthy. Emery is the boss of the team and should be able to assuage Trestman's fears of instability with a combo of assurances and years on his deal as OC. I dont think Trestman was a serious contender for any other HC jobs this year and likely would have become a serious candidate next year if his bear offense performed.

 

I cant find the exact years, but Im almost sure that Angelo completely overhauled the offensive staff before 2010 in Lovie's final contract year. Correct? If it wasnt Lovie's final year, it was definately a "last chance" year.

 

But what happens when you pull something like that is many coaches will shy away from coming into a "this is your last chance" environment. These guys all expect to be fired, but they don't want it to be after year 1 or 2. And because the next head coach would certainly have the opportunity to select his entire staff, there was nothing you could do to assuage anybody's fears if their boss's job was on the line the day they took the job.

 

Also, Emery has said he didn't know much about Trestman until the interview process. It goes back to the problem with Emery's resume being so limited at the NFL level and having so much of his experience being with second rate college teams, and even then as a strength guy.

 

If real change was going to be made, Lovie had to go. There's no way around that.

[jersey cubs fan]

It seems a little troubling to me that when you enter Skip Peete's name into google the autofill goes right to Skip Peete weight loss.

[minnesotacubsfan]

replacing an ousted Marinelli with Hoke would really make me have to work harder to hate the Bears

 

Don't worry, I can help you with that

[Guest]

@SeanKJensen

 

Indications are #Bears are going to be aggressive about defensive coordinator vacancy today. Believed Jon Hoke is a candidate.

 

Really like the potential Hoke and Hoke coordinating team.

[jersey cubs fan]

@SeanKJensen

 

Indications are #Bears are going to be aggressive about defensive coordinator vacancy today. Believed Jon Hoke is a candidate.

 

Really like the potential Hoke and Hoke coordinating team.

 

I don't get it.

[WrigleyField 22]

I think someone thinks Brady Hoke is gonna be our D coordinator.

 

 

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[Guest]

@SeanKJensen

 

Indications are #Bears are going to be aggressive about defensive coordinator vacancy today. Believed Jon Hoke is a candidate.

 

Really like the potential Hoke and Hoke coordinating team.

 

I don't get it.

 

I have not slept enough and apparently am now incapable of parsing the words offensive and defensive as separate entities.

[Pushfrog98]

@SeanKJensen

 

Indications are #Bears are going to be aggressive about defensive coordinator vacancy today. Believed Jon Hoke is a candidate.

 

Really like the potential Hoke and Hoke coordinating team.

 

I don't get it.

I'm guessing he might bring his son on board?