Dale Sveum to Manage Cubs

[Guest]

btw - There's a lot of reasons to want Prince other than the leadership crap he's pandering to the media with.

 

NAME 1

Making sure the clubhouse fridge stays clear of leftovers.

[MSG T]

Sveum points to Fielder's work ethic as the type of synergistic impact he's hoping to instill with Cubs players.

 

"If you can have three or four guys like him on the team then other guys start to follow," Sveum said. "You don't always have the so-called team leader anymore but when you can get three, four, five guys running out balls hard, playing the game then the other five or six guys say 'Hey, I want to be like them. I don't want to be the one guy that's dogging it.' That's why it was nice to have Prince. The other guys knew what would happen if they didn't run a ball out."

I gotta say, it shocks me that there are so many folks on this board that think the notion Sveum expresses here is a bunch of nonsense.

 

It's not nonsense, it's just that people put way too much stock in it. Do I want guys hustling? Sure, but I would much rather see them be really good baseball players. Meathead fans act like it's the most important thing, and it isn't.

[Guest]

Sveum points to Fielder's work ethic as the type of synergistic impact he's hoping to instill with Cubs players.

 

"If you can have three or four guys like him on the team then other guys start to follow," Sveum said. "You don't always have the so-called team leader anymore but when you can get three, four, five guys running out balls hard, playing the game then the other five or six guys say 'Hey, I want to be like them. I don't want to be the one guy that's dogging it.' That's why it was nice to have Prince. The other guys knew what would happen if they didn't run a ball out."

I gotta say, it shocks me that there are so many folks on this board that think the notion Sveum expresses here is a bunch of nonsense.

 

It's not nonsense, it's just that people put way too much stock in it. Do I want guys hustling? Sure, but I would much rather see them be really good baseball players. Meathead fans act like it's the most important thing, and it isn't.

 

I'm no meatball, but, on the other hand, it's the one thing you can reasonably expect any player to do, so they definitely should be doing it. It should probably piss me off more than it does (which is not much at all) when guys [expletive] up because they're not giving a reasonable semblance of max effort.

[MSG T]

btw - There's a lot of reasons to want Prince other than the leadership crap he's pandering to the media with.

 

NAME 1

Making sure the clubhouse fridge stays clear of leftovers.

 

 

Is Prince still a vegetarian, or vegan, or whatever? Or did he give up on that?

 

That could make a difference in how vulnerable leftovers are.

[Guest]

btw - There's a lot of reasons to want Prince other than the leadership crap he's pandering to the media with.

 

NAME 1

Making sure the clubhouse fridge stays clear of leftovers.

 

 

Is Prince still a vegetarian, or vegan, or whatever? Or did he give up on that?

 

That could make a difference in how vulnerable leftovers are.

 

he did (give up on it)

Edited November 18, 2011 by David

[SouthSideRyan]

btw - There's a lot of reasons to want Prince other than the leadership crap he's pandering to the media with.

 

NAME 1

Making sure the clubhouse fridge stays clear of leftovers.

 

Like Wrigley's clubhouse even has electricity.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

There's a huge difference between "The Cubs have some players who don't hustle enough" and "The Cubs are in fifth place because they have some players who don't hustle enough."

[MSG T]

Sveum points to Fielder's work ethic as the type of synergistic impact he's hoping to instill with Cubs players.

 

"If you can have three or four guys like him on the team then other guys start to follow," Sveum said. "You don't always have the so-called team leader anymore but when you can get three, four, five guys running out balls hard, playing the game then the other five or six guys say 'Hey, I want to be like them. I don't want to be the one guy that's dogging it.' That's why it was nice to have Prince. The other guys knew what would happen if they didn't run a ball out."

I gotta say, it shocks me that there are so many folks on this board that think the notion Sveum expresses here is a bunch of nonsense.

 

It's not nonsense, it's just that people put way too much stock in it. Do I want guys hustling? Sure, but I would much rather see them be really good baseball players. Meathead fans act like it's the most important thing, and it isn't.

 

I'm no meatball, but, on the other hand, it's the one thing you can reasonably expect any player to do, so they definitely should be doing it. It should probably piss me off more than it does (which is not much at all) when guys [expletive] up because they're not giving a reasonable semblance of max effort.

 

 

And that kind of goes to my point. You don't get as mad as you think you should. But, how big of a deal is it if a guy pops up to the 2B and doesn't sprint down the line? Or hits a weak grounder to the pitcher and does the same? It's just not as big of a deal as a guy not running full speed on a pass route if he's not the primary receiver or something of the like. I get being ticked if a guy hits a long fly ball that you're not sure is going out, and ends up with a single instead of a double. But being ticked because a guy doesn't go full speed on a certain out is kind of silly. He won't be any less out if he sprints out that pop fly.

[Epsteenie]

btw - There's a lot of reasons to want Prince other than the leadership crap he's pandering to the media with.

 

NAME 1

Making sure the clubhouse fridge stays clear of leftovers.

 

 

Is Prince still a vegetarian, or vegan, or whatever? Or did he give up on that?

 

That could make a difference in how vulnerable leftovers are.

 

he did

 

Dude can't stay away from the Captain Crunch

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm no meatball, but, on the other hand, it's the one thing you can reasonably expect any player to do, so they definitely should be doing it. It should probably piss me off more than it does (which is not much at all) when guys [expletive] up because they're not giving a reasonable semblance of max effort.

 

Define reasonable.

 

In my opinion, over a 6 month season of games every day and loads of travel, I think it's unreasonable to expect constant max effort.

[mul21]

Sori's days could be numbered. Sveum is going to be his worst nightmare.

 

Because there's always been a ton of bitching about Sori not working hard? He may be dumb and a terrible fielder, but from everything I've ever read, he works very hard at being as good as he can be.

[Guest]

And that kind of goes to my point. You don't get as mad as you think you should. But, how big of a deal is it if a guy pops up to the 2B and doesn't sprint down the line? Or hits a weak grounder to the pitcher and does the same? It's just not as big of a deal as a guy not running full speed on a pass route if he's not the primary receiver or something of the like. I get being ticked if a guy hits a long fly ball that you're not sure is going out, and ends up with a single instead of a double. But being ticked because a guy doesn't go full speed on a certain out is kind of silly. He won't be any less out if he sprints out that pop fly.

This goes back to the point I made about managing the other day. Managers LOVE to talk about a player wasting an out by not hustling down the line and missing getting on base when that 1% chance of the fielder dropping the ball actually happens. However, managers waste outs throughout the season by bunting, blowing hit and runs, etc. and feel that they are justified because they're actively giving up the outs instead of doing it passively.

 

A guy who hustles and gets thrown out trying to stretch a single into a double is applauded, but he wasted an out just the same as the guy who didn't run out the rare dropped popup.

 

etc.

[Guest]

I'm no meatball, but, on the other hand, it's the one thing you can reasonably expect any player to do, so they definitely should be doing it. It should probably piss me off more than it does (which is not much at all) when guys [expletive] up because they're not giving a reasonable semblance of max effort.

 

Define reasonable.

 

In my opinion, over a 6 month season of games every day and loads of travel, I think it's unreasonable to expect constant max effort.

 

The only example I can come up with that matters is the deep fly balls that turn into singles instead of doubles. And yea, that doesn't happen THAT often. Hence it not mattering that much.

[SouthSideRyan]

Sori's days could be numbered. Sveum is going to be his worst nightmare.

 

Because there's always been a ton of bitching about Sori not working hard? He may be dumb and a terrible fielder, but from everything I've ever read, he works very hard at being as good as he can be.

 

It's not like his name is Alfred Sorrington.

[Bull]

Is it possible that effort does matter and that it not only shows up in the statistics but also helps in development?

 

The same guy that is lazy running out pop-ups, might be lazy in conditioning, and might be mentally lazy and lacking focus when trying to command the strike zone, or working a strategy in an at-bat. all this translates into stats, which tell us that Ramirez does work counts, but that Soriano flails at pitches two feet out of the zone.

 

I think it particularly matters in development. Players need to work at these skills, and a lack of work ethic could keep a player from reaching their ceiling. That is, if their team had cameras so they could work at reviewing their performances.

[jersey cubs fan]

Is it possible that effort does matter and that it not only shows up in the statistics but also helps in development?

 

The same guy that is lazy running out pop-ups, might be lazy in conditioning, and might be mentally lazy and lacking focus when trying to command the strike zone, or working a strategy in an at-bat. all this translates into stats, which tell us that Ramirez does work counts, but that Soriano flails at pitches two feet out of the zone.

 

I think it particularly matters in development. Players need to work at these skills, and a lack of work ethic could keep a player from reaching their ceiling. That is, if their team had cameras so they could work at reviewing their performances.

 

Ramirez does not work counts.

 

I do believe it would be really hard to make the major leagues without trying.

[Hollandsworths mug]

And I do not buy for a second that Theo, Jed and Dale have not talked about the possibility of Prince coming here. Certainly you'd think during his interview that Sveum asked what the plans for the future would be and about the possibility of going after him or Pujols.

 

If you go on a job interview, you always asks questions about what the plans for the future are. How could you not explore Prince knowing you have a manager who swears by the guy?

[SouthSideRyan]

So laziness is why Soriano has bad control of the zone.

[bukie]

So laziness is why Soriano has bad control of the zone.

I'd almost rather accept an argument that Soriano has poor control of the strike zone because he just tries too hard.

[minnesotacubsfan]

By this logic, Theriot's ceiling was AA ball, but man did he try hard

[Old Style]

Dude can't stay away from the Captain Crunch

Captain Crunch has meat in it?

[SouthSideRyan]

So laziness is why Soriano has bad control of the zone.

I'd almost rather accept an argument that Soriano has poor control of the strike zone because he just tries too hard.

 

You'd think he'd like taking things called walks. Imagine if they were called runs. I guess the appeal of going back to sit is too great. Let's tell him they're not walks, they're naps.

[Epsteenie]

Dude can't stay away from the Captain Crunch

Captain Crunch has meat in it?

 

Why don't you go buy a box and find out.

[CUBZ99]

And I do not buy for a second that Theo, Jed and Dale have not talked about the possibility of Prince coming here. Certainly you'd think during his interview that Sveum asked what the plans for the future would be and about the possibility of going after him or Pujols.

 

If you go on a job interview, you always asks questions about what the plans for the future are. How could you not explore Prince knowing you have a manager who swears by the guy?

 

Pretty sure that I read a quote from Hoyer saying that they talked extensively about Fielder. Of course maybe the distinction is that they didn't specifically talk about him coming to the Cubs.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Sveum points to Fielder's work ethic as the type of synergistic impact he's hoping to instill with Cubs players.

 

"If you can have three or four guys like him on the team then other guys start to follow," Sveum said. "You don't always have the so-called team leader anymore but when you can get three, four, five guys running out balls hard, playing the game then the other five or six guys say 'Hey, I want to be like them. I don't want to be the one guy that's dogging it.' That's why it was nice to have Prince. The other guys knew what would happen if they didn't run a ball out."

I gotta say, it shocks me that there are so many folks on this board that think the notion Sveum expresses here is a bunch of nonsense.

 

It's not nonsense, it's just that people put way too much stock in it. Do I want guys hustling? Sure, but I would much rather see them be really good baseball players. Meathead fans act like it's the most important thing, and it isn't.

 

No question that hustling is a good thing, but if given the choice between naturally good players and the little gritty guys who put forth that extra effort to leg out a weak grounder when there team is down 8-2 in the 9th, I'll take the naturally good player any day.