If the Cubs were sellers right now

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Doesn't Soriano have a 5 and 10 right to refuse a trade regardless of what his contract says?

 

Ditto Ram, Z, and Dempster.

 

Seems like a lot of people slam Hendry for NTCs when those players could nix a trade anyway under the CBA.

 

Soriano has 4.5 years on the Cubs and 5.5 in the National League, so I don't think he'd have 5 and 10 rights. The rest of them would, of course.

The 10 applies to MLB service time, not time in a particular league.

[jersey cubs fan]

Doesn't Soriano have a 5 and 10 right to refuse a trade regardless of what his contract says?

 

Ditto Ram, Z, and Dempster.

 

Seems like a lot of people slam Hendry for NTCs when those players could nix a trade anyway under the CBA.

 

Soriano has 4.5 years on the Cubs and 5.5 in the National League, so I don't think he'd have 5 and 10 rights. The rest of them would, of course.

The 10 applies to MLB service time, not time in a particular league.

 

Was he joking when he mentioned the National League part?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Nope, I was serious. That's why I said "I don't think."

[shnsajax]

So the Cubs are willing to eat a large portion of Soriano's salary and he is willing to waive his NTC.

 

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/6791533/chicago-cubs-willing-absorb-much-alfonso-soriano-contract

[ChiCubsFan]

Just eat a majority of his contract and move on. [expletive] it, I'm tired of hearing about Alfonso Soriano.

[illiniguy]

Just eat a majority of his contract and move on. [expletive] it, I'm tired of hearing about Alfonso Soriano.

Why? Do we have someone in mind who is gonna take his spot? Please don't say Tyler Colvin, he's still worse than Alfonso.

[shnsajax]

Just eat a majority of his contract and move on. [expletive] it, I'm tired of hearing about Alfonso Soriano.

Why? Do we have someone in mind who is gonna take his spot? Please don't say Tyler Colvin, he's still worse than Alfonso.

 

Does it matter for the rest of this season? And Brett Jackson!

[illiniguy]

Just eat a majority of his contract and move on. [expletive] it, I'm tired of hearing about Alfonso Soriano.

Why? Do we have someone in mind who is gonna take his spot? Please don't say Tyler Colvin, he's still worse than Alfonso.

 

Does it matter for the rest of this season? And Brett Jackson!

It matters if we want to compete next year. I'm assuming we prolly turn over a lot of our outfield after this year. Jackson prolly takes one of those sopts, but who else are we gonna bring in to be decent? Keep in mind we are still gonna be paying Soriano next year as well.

[shnsajax]

Just eat a majority of his contract and move on. [expletive] it, I'm tired of hearing about Alfonso Soriano.

Why? Do we have someone in mind who is gonna take his spot? Please don't say Tyler Colvin, he's still worse than Alfonso.

 

Does it matter for the rest of this season? And Brett Jackson!

It matters if we want to compete next year. I'm assuming we prolly turn over a lot of our outfield after this year. Jackson prolly takes one of those sopts, but who else are we gonna bring in to be decent? Keep in mind we are still gonna be paying Soriano next year as well.

 

We can at least look to make a trade and have a slot open now. Having some options is better than having none.

[JimSorgi]

Would we be getting anything decent in return for Soriano? Giving him away and still paying for him is such a dumb idea.

[PrimeTime]

Roto

 

According to ESPN Chicago's Bruce Levine, the Cubs are willing to absorb a large portion of the nearly $60 million owed to Alfonso Soriano in the "right trade."

 

Soriano signed a massive eight-year, $136 million contract with the Cubs in November 2006 and has been a major disappointment since the end of 2008. But he may draw the interest of competing clubs if the price is knocked down a bit. Soriano has a full no-trade clause but told reporters last month that he would be willing to waive it.

[Sammy Sofa]

We can at least look to make a trade and have a slot open now. Having some options is better than having none.

 

They have "options" if you're talking about open OF spots. Fukudome is gone after this season and Byrd is gone after the next (if he's not traded before in the offseason). Dumping Soriano because people are "tired of hearing about him" or to "make room" is ridiculous. If there's a deal to be had where the Cubs get some kind of return, fine, but if they're dumping him just to dump him it's dumb. Milk what you can out of him and then just bench him or kick him to the curb when he's useless.

[Shilzzz]

so what i'm getting here is that people think the cubs will compete next year. is that correct?

[XZero771679666304]

so what i'm getting here is that people think the cubs will compete next year. is that correct?

 

Absolutely, given a good offseason.

[Sammy Sofa]

so what i'm getting here is that people think the cubs will compete next year. is that correct?

 

They very easily could.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

so what i'm getting here is that people think the cubs will compete next year. is that correct?

 

I don't think they "will." I think they have no reason not to try.

[SouthSideRyan]

so what i'm getting here is that people think the cubs will compete next year. is that correct?

 

If we sign Pujols or Fielder, absolutely.

[UMFan83]

Someone should either start a new thread with that ESPN article, there's a ton of new news in it.

[davearm2]

Option A: Keep Soriano, let Fukudome walk.

Option B: Trade Soriano, recoup $20M of remaining contract, re-sign Fukudome 3/$20M.

 

Which do you take?

[illiniguy]

so what i'm getting here is that people think the cubs will compete next year. is that correct?

 

If we sign Pujols or Fielder, absolutely.

Why wouldn't we think we could. 84 games will probably win the division this year.

[UMFan83]

Option A: Keep Soriano, let Fukudome walk.

Option B: Trade Soriano, recoup $20M of remaining contract, re-sign Fukudome 3/$20M.

 

Which do you take?

 

B

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Keith Law in his ESPN chat today:

 

 

Jeff Baker (Wrigley)

Why did Jim Hendry say I was "untouchable"? I want to get out of here.

 

 

Klaw (3:18 PM)

I mean, if the Ricketts were paying any attention, they would have fired Hendry on the spot, right? Making a fringy bench player "untouchable" seems like an attempt to be funny.

[Outshined_One]

so what i'm getting here is that people think the cubs will compete next year. is that correct?

 

It's conceivable. The NL Central isn't very good.

 

I don't see the point of trading Soriano just for the sake of trading him. The Cubs are probably parting ways with Fukudome after this season, meaning they'd have two holes to fill in the OF for 2012 if they traded Soriano. Plus, even if the Cubs ate a substantial chunk of Soriano's salary, I don't see them getting a better return than they did when they kicked Sammy Sosa to the curb. There are some intriguing names among the FA OFs, but I'm not really enamored with the options.

[TruffleShuffle]

so what i'm getting here is that people think the cubs will compete next year. is that correct?

 

It's conceivable. The NL Central isn't very good.

 

plus we've been ravaged by injuries. if you're playing competent back-of-the-rotation starters, there's a few more wins right there, and the cubs look merely lousy instead of one of the worst teams in baseball.

[dew1679666265]

Option A: Keep Soriano, let Fukudome walk.

Option B: Trade Soriano, recoup $20M of remaining contract, re-sign Fukudome 3/$20M.

 

Which do you take?

 

What kind of prospects are we looking at getting back in this Soriano trade? In this scenario, we'd be paying $40 million of the $60 million remaining on his deal, so I'd want to get something of value back. I'm more of a Kosuke fan than most on this board, but I'm not sure he'll be all that valuable when he's signed for just under $7 mil a year through his age 37 season.

 

If we got a modest return for Soriano and you could decrease Kosuke's deal to, say, 2/$20, I'd probably take option B.