If the Cubs were sellers right now

[davearm2]

Option A: Keep Soriano, let Fukudome walk.

Option B: Trade Soriano, recoup $20M of remaining contract, re-sign Fukudome 3/$20M.

 

Which do you take?

 

What kind of prospects are we looking at getting back in this Soriano trade? In this scenario, we'd be paying $40 million of the $60 million remaining on his deal, so I'd want to get something of value back. I'm more of a Kosuke fan than most on this board, but I'm not sure he'll be all that valuable when he's signed for just under $7 mil a year through his age 37 season.

 

If we got a modest return for Soriano and you could decrease Kosuke's deal to, say, 2/$20, I'd probably take option B.

Crap prospects.

 

The question is a simple one. For the same money, would you rather have Soriano or Fukudome for the next 3 years.

[SouthSideRyan]

Option A: Keep Soriano, let Fukudome walk.

Option B: Trade Soriano, recoup $20M of remaining contract, re-sign Fukudome 3/$20M.

 

Which do you take?

 

What kind of prospects are we looking at getting back in this Soriano trade? In this scenario, we'd be paying $40 million of the $60 million remaining on his deal, so I'd want to get something of value back. I'm more of a Kosuke fan than most on this board, but I'm not sure he'll be all that valuable when he's signed for just under $7 mil a year through his age 37 season.

 

If we got a modest return for Soriano and you could decrease Kosuke's deal to, say, 2/$20, I'd probably take option B.

 

If we could decrease his deal by a year for the same total dollars??

[XZero771679666304]

Option A: Keep Soriano, let Fukudome walk.

Option B: Trade Soriano, recoup $20M of remaining contract, re-sign Fukudome 3/$20M.

 

Which do you take?

 

What kind of prospects are we looking at getting back in this Soriano trade? In this scenario, we'd be paying $40 million of the $60 million remaining on his deal, so I'd want to get something of value back. I'm more of a Kosuke fan than most on this board, but I'm not sure he'll be all that valuable when he's signed for just under $7 mil a year through his age 37 season.

 

If we got a modest return for Soriano and you could decrease Kosuke's deal to, say, 2/$20, I'd probably take option B.

 

If we could decrease his deal by a year for the same total dollars??

 

He said he would like to stay in Chicago, so I imagine he'd take a 1-2 year deal.

[questionmarkgrace]

Option A: Keep Soriano, let Fukudome walk.

Option B: Trade Soriano, recoup $20M of remaining contract, re-sign Fukudome 3/$20M.

 

Which do you take?

 

is a bullet to the head an option?

[Shilzzz]

why do they have to re-sign fukudome if soriano is traded? or are we dealing in irreverent hypothetical questions for the hell of it?

[82TonyM]

Option B... Fuku all the way

[JimSorgi]

Option A: Keep Soriano, let Fukudome walk.

Option B: Trade Soriano, recoup $20M of remaining contract, re-sign Fukudome 3/$20M.

 

Which do you take?

 

is a bullet to the head an option?

I wouldn't recommend that.

[Shilzzz]

Option A: Keep Soriano, let Fukudome walk.

Option B: Trade Soriano, recoup $20M of remaining contract, re-sign Fukudome 3/$20M.

 

Which do you take?

 

is a mullet to the head an option?

I would recommend that.

[dew1679666265]

Crap prospects.

 

The question is a simple one. For the same money, would you rather have Soriano or Fukudome for the next 3 years.

 

If it's simply who would I prefer, I guess Fukudome. His patience wins out over whatever power Soriano will contribute.

[dew1679666265]

If we could decrease his deal by a year for the same total dollars??

 

He's almost certainly going to be completely unproductive by his age 37 season, so I'd rather spread the ~$6 million over two years than have him take up a roster spot and/or be $6 million of deadweight all in one year.

 

In reality, however, I wouldn't give him a 3-year deal or $10 mil a year.

[SouthSideRyan]

If we could decrease his deal by a year for the same total dollars??

 

He's almost certainly going to be completely unproductive by his age 37 season, so I'd rather spread the ~$6 million over two years than have him take up a roster spot and/or be $6 million of deadweight all in one year.

 

In reality, however, I wouldn't give him a 3-year deal or $10 mil a year.

 

You always take 3/20 over 2/20. I don't care what he's worth in his age 37 season, you budget appropriately.

[dew1679666265]

You always take 3/20 over 2/20.

 

Out of curiosity, why? I'd prefer not to have the extra $6-7 million sitting on the payroll in 2014 when we know he won't be productive enough then to be worth the money, but he could be worth close to $10 mil the next two seasons (especially if his defense rebounds).

[apete6]

You always take 3/20 over 2/20.

 

Out of curiosity, why? I'd prefer not to have the extra $6-7 million sitting on the payroll in 2014 when we know he won't be productive enough then to be worth the money, but he could be worth close to $10 mil the next two seasons (especially if his defense rebounds).

 

You must have skipped the Time Value of Money discussion in Finance class.

[Guest]

You always take 3/20 over 2/20.

 

Out of curiosity, why? I'd prefer not to have the extra $6-7 million sitting on the payroll in 2014 when we know he won't be productive enough then to be worth the money, but he could be worth close to $10 mil the next two seasons (especially if his defense rebounds).

 

If the team wants to have that payroll, then they'll do the accounting on a 3/20 deal that way, and then you have Kosuke for "free" an additional year. Also, like apete just said, 20 million over 3 years is less money than 20 million over 2 years.

[TruffleShuffle]

You always take 3/20 over 2/20.

 

Out of curiosity, why? I'd prefer not to have the extra $6-7 million sitting on the payroll in 2014 when we know he won't be productive enough then to be worth the money, but he could be worth close to $10 mil the next two seasons (especially if his defense rebounds).

 

so you think he might be worth close to $10 million a year the next two years but then decline to be worth less than $0 the following year?

[dew1679666265]

If the team wants to have that payroll, then they'll do the accounting on a 3/20 deal that way, and then you have Kosuke for "free" an additional year. Also, like apete just said, 20 million over 3 years is less money than 20 million over 2 years.

 

I understand the idea that $20 million over 3 years is less than over 2 years in totality, but if you can split that 2014 money in half each of the next two years and then cut off an entire year from the contract of an old player, it seems you're at least coming out even and maybe ahead. I guess I'm not really seeing how a $6 million lump sum 3 years from now is less than $3 million each next year and two years from now and then owing nothing three years from now. I hadn't considered accounting tricks that make Kosuke basically free for a year, though.

 

I may just be bad at math and financing concepts.

[dew1679666265]

so you think he might be worth close to $10 million a year the next two years but then decline to be worth less than $0 the following year?

 

I think he could be worth close to $10 million next year, then less in 2013 and then very little in 2014 - if his defense rebounds next year, that is. I would not be in favor of giving him a 2/20 or a 3/20 contract anyway, however.

[Guest]

If the team wants to have that payroll, then they'll do the accounting on a 3/20 deal that way, and then you have Kosuke for "free" an additional year. Also, like apete just said, 20 million over 3 years is less money than 20 million over 2 years.

 

I understand the idea that $20 million over 3 years is less than over 2 years in totality, but if you can split that 2014 money in half each of the next two years and then cut off an entire year from the contract of an old player, it seems you're at least coming out even and maybe ahead. I guess I'm not really seeing how a $6 million lump sum 3 years from now is less than $3 million each next year and two years from now and then owing nothing three years from now. I hadn't considered accounting tricks that make Kosuke basically free for a year, though.

 

I may just be bad at math and financing concepts.

 

The difference isn't as significant because it's only a year or two difference, but inflation matters(and when we're talking about millions of dollars, it can add up). Think about what 10 bucks bought when you were a kid, and how much it buys now. Same concept, just a lot fewer years and a lot more dollars. The true difference in Paying Kosuke 6 million in 2014 v. 3 million each in 2012-2013 would probably pay for both our salaries this year.

[dew1679666265]

The difference isn't as significant because it's only a year or two difference, but inflation matters(and when we're talking about millions of dollars, it can add up). Think about what 10 bucks bought when you were a kid, and how much it buys now. Same concept, just a lot fewer years and a lot more dollars. The true difference in Paying Kosuke 6 million in 2014 v. 3 million each in 2012-2013 would probably pay for both our salaries this year.

 

I understand inflation, but I keep getting hung up on not wanting to pay Kosuke anything for his age 37 season even if it means paying a little extra each of the next two. That said, as I told Truffle, I wouldn't support a 2/20 or 3/20 deal for Kosuke anyway.

[SouthSideRyan]

The difference isn't as significant because it's only a year or two difference, but inflation matters(and when we're talking about millions of dollars, it can add up). Think about what 10 bucks bought when you were a kid, and how much it buys now. Same concept, just a lot fewer years and a lot more dollars. The true difference in Paying Kosuke 6 million in 2014 v. 3 million each in 2012-2013 would probably pay for both our salaries this year.

 

I understand inflation, but I keep getting hung up on not wanting to pay Kosuke anything for his age 37 season even if it means paying a little extra each of the next two. That said, as I told Truffle, I wouldn't support a 2/20 or 3/20 deal for Kosuke anyway.

 

You pay Kosuke 6M in '12 and put 4M from your '12 player budget in a CD. (Let's be very conservative and say 1% interest) You pay Kosuke 6M in '13 and put another 4M from your '13 player budget in a CD (Again we'll say 1% interest.)

 

In '14, you now pull that money from the CD, pay Kosuke with 8M of it, and sign an 8th rounder with the extra $120,400.

[dew1679666265]

You pay Kosuke 6M in '12 and put 4M from your '12 player budget in a CD. (Let's be very conservative and say 1% interest) You pay Kosuke 6M in '13 and put another 4M from your '13 player budget in a CD (Again we'll say 1% interest.)

 

In '14, you now pull that money from the CD, pay Kosuke with 8M of it, and sign an 8th rounder with the extra $120,400.

 

That makes sense.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

@Buster_ESPN

Buster Olney

 

Could see Reed Johnson becoming one of most coveted trade pieces: .407 OBP, .978 OPS vs. LHP, owed only $300K for rest of year.BOS/PHI/ATL?

[Have a seat, Neifi]

And this (nothing new)...

 

@SI_JonHeyman

Jon Heyman

 

#cubs continue to tell all interested parties that sean marshall isnt going anywhere

[seanhopper]

@Buster_ESPN

Buster Olney

 

Could see Reed Johnson becoming one of most coveted trade pieces: .407 OBP, .978 OPS vs. LHP, owed only $300K for rest of year.BOS/PHI/ATL?

 

I can see the Cubs getting one nice arm for Johnson like they got for Todd Walker a few years back.

[Cubswin11]

@Buster_ESPN

Buster Olney

 

Could see Reed Johnson becoming one of most coveted trade pieces: .407 OBP, .978 OPS vs. LHP, owed only $300K for rest of year.BOS/PHI/ATL?

 

I can see the Cubs getting one nice arm for Johnson like they got for Todd Walker a few years back.

Was that Jose Ceda, who in turn got us Kevin Gregg?