Lilly & Theriot to the Dodgers for DeWitt, 2 Minor Leaguers

[Backtobanks]

It might be interesting to keep Colvin and see if he can take over at 1B next year. I think I read that he played 1B at Clemson. It might not be bad to have a Nady (or clone)/ Colvin platoon at 1B next year.

 

He did play first base his junior year at Clemson but he would provide below average offensive production at first.

 

Kinda like the 1B production this year.

 

Or Hoffpauir in 2011. Remember the payroll will probably be lower. Cantu might be an interesting option.

[dew1679666265]

It might be interesting to keep Colvin and see if he can take over at 1B next year. I think I read that he played 1B at Clemson. It might not be bad to have a Nady (or clone)/ Colvin platoon at 1B next year.

 

He did play first base his junior year at Clemson but he would provide below average offensive production at first.

 

Kinda like the 1B production this year.

 

Or Hoffpauir in 2011. Remember the payroll will probably be lower. Cantu might be an interesting option.

 

I still like the idea of signing Cantu to play first next year and then moving him to third base in 2012 if we bring in Adrian Gonzalez or Prince Fielder.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

I still like the idea of signing Cantu to play first next year and then moving him to third base in 2012 if we bring in Adrian Gonzalez, Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder.

 

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[dew1679666265]

I still like the idea of signing Cantu to play first next year and then moving him to third base in 2012 if we bring in Adrian Gonzalez, Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder.

 

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Haha, love the wishful thinking.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of going after guys like Upton and Gordon, the reason being Rudy Jaramillo. These are probably the types of players that Rudy would be the most helpful to. When it comes to vets like D Lee and Aramis, theyve been doing things they way they do them for so long, even if they do take Jaramillos coaching, it probably wont be easy for them to change what worked for them for so many years even if they wanted to. Younger guys like Upton and Gordon, on the other hand could be the clay that Rudy needs to work with. Look at the Rangers sluggers, Hamilton, CruzKinsler, and Young. Rudy got these guys when they were young. I know Hamilton was with Cincy for a bit and had some success, but Texas is where he hit his stride. Also, look at Marlon Byrd and Milton Bradley. They also experienced major league success in the past, but had their best years with Texas. maybe it was Arlington, but maybe it was Rudy. Geovany Soto is another example. Maybe his resurgence was due to getting back in shape, then again, maybe it was Rudy.

[inari]

Or just maybe it's some combination of both!

[Guest]

With an assist to the Ballpark in Arlington.

[rawaction]

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of going after guys like Upton and Gordon, the reason being Rudy Jaramillo. These are probably the types of players that Rudy would be the most helpful to. When it comes to vets like D Lee and Aramis, theyve been doing things they way they do them for so long, even if they do take Jaramillos coaching, it probably wont be easy for them to change what worked for them for so many years even if they wanted to. Younger guys like Upton and Gordon, on the other hand could be the clay that Rudy needs to work with. Look at the Rangers sluggers, Hamilton, CruzKinsler, and Young. Rudy got these guys when they were young. I know Hamilton was with Cincy for a bit and had some success, but Texas is where he hit his stride. Also, look at Marlon Byrd and Milton Bradley. They also experienced major league success in the past, but had their best years with Texas. maybe it was Arlington, but maybe it was Rudy. Geovany Soto is another example. Maybe his resurgence was due to getting back in shape, then again, maybe it was Rudy.

 

Works for me. There's a reason those guys were drafted 2nd overall. They are both low-risk, high-reward players...assuming you don't have to give up a ton for them. If Rudy can push the right buttons with these two, the Cubs can get a couple of guys who projected to be middle of the order bats and are just 25 and 26 years old.

[erik316wttn]

I'm hoping Oswalt is difficult in waiving his NTC. The longer he waits the more valuable Lilly becomes. However, that's not to say I think he'll be difficult nor do I have any reason to believe he'll do so. And only a handful of teams can afford to take on Oswalt's salary for the next few years, anyway. The more I think about it, the more I think we really could get a respectable package back for Lilly.

[seanhopper]

A little blurb on Lilly in Chris De Luca's article in today's Suntimes

 

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I looked up the stats on each of the Met's "prospects." Wow, all of them have some ugly peripherals in A+ ball. I really hope Hendry can pull together a better return for Lilly if he trades him.

[CincyCubsFan]

I'm hoping Oswalt is difficult in waiving his NTC. The longer he waits the more valuable Lilly becomes. However, that's not to say I think he'll be difficult nor do I have any reason to believe he'll do so. And only a handful of teams can afford to take on Oswalt's salary for the next few years, anyway. The more I think about it, the more I think we really could get a respectable package back for Lilly.

 

With any other GM I'd feel confident in getting value for Lilly, but I'm prepared for something like an Omar Infante + PTBNL.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

I'm hoping Oswalt is difficult in waiving his NTC. The longer he waits the more valuable Lilly becomes. However, that's not to say I think he'll be difficult nor do I have any reason to believe he'll do so. And only a handful of teams can afford to take on Oswalt's salary for the next few years, anyway. The more I think about it, the more I think we really could get a respectable package back for Lilly.

 

With any other GM I'd feel confident in getting value for Lilly, but I'm prepared for something like an Omar Infante + PTBNL.

 

Not a big Hendry fan here but I do not think that is fair or accurate.

[lumafia]

A little blurb on Lilly in Chris De Luca's article in today's Suntimes

 

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I looked up the stats on each of the Met's "prospects." Wow, all of them have some ugly peripherals in A+ ball. I really hope Hendry can pull together a better return for Lilly if he trades him.

 

Whey even make the trade? If that is all Hendry wants, the Mets would be morons not to make that trade. I hope Chris De Luca's just talking out of his arse. Not only will none of these guys help us in the near future, they will most likely never help this team. Unless Lilly has suddenly become a club house cancer, a Lilly trade for only the list of prospects above would be a terrible trade.

[jersey cubs fan]

A little blurb on Lilly in Chris De Luca's article in today's Suntimes

 

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I looked up the stats on each of the Met's "prospects." Wow, all of them have some ugly peripherals in A+ ball. I really hope Hendry can pull together a better return for Lilly if he trades him.

 

Whey even make the trade? If that is all Hendry wants, the Mets would be morons not to make that trade. I hope Chris De Luca's just talking out of his arse. Not only will none of these guys help us in the near future, they will most likely never help this team. Unless Lilly has suddenly become a club house cancer, a Lilly trade for only the list of prospects above would be a terrible trade.

 

Why "unless he has become a clubhouse cancer"?

[soapy]

I'm hoping Oswalt is difficult in waiving his NTC. The longer he waits the more valuable Lilly becomes. However, that's not to say I think he'll be difficult nor do I have any reason to believe he'll do so. And only a handful of teams can afford to take on Oswalt's salary for the next few years, anyway. The more I think about it, the more I think we really could get a respectable package back for Lilly.

 

With any other GM I'd feel confident in getting value for Lilly, but I'm prepared for something like an Omar Infante + PTBNL.

 

Not a big Hendry fan here but I do not think that is fair or accurate.

 

I think Hedry normally does fine making trades, but the last time he was in this situation they traded Maddux for Izturis, so there may be some cause for concern. Hendry then made some sort of weird comment after the trade about not wanting prospects or something (I don't remember exactly).

[Guest]

Yeah, Hendry's record of "trading away" players is not nearly as good as his record of "trading for" players. However, the most recent example we have is DeRosa, and he did a very good job with that deal.

[lumafia]

A little blurb on Lilly in Chris De Luca's article in today's Suntimes

 

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I looked up the stats on each of the Met's "prospects." Wow, all of them have some ugly peripherals in A+ ball. I really hope Hendry can pull together a better return for Lilly if he trades him.

 

Whey even make the trade? If that is all Hendry wants, the Mets would be morons not to make that trade. I hope Chris De Luca's just talking out of his arse. Not only will none of these guys help us in the near future, they will most likely never help this team. Unless Lilly has suddenly become a club house cancer, a Lilly trade for only the list of prospects above would be a terrible trade.

 

Why "unless he has become a clubhouse cancer"?

 

Why else would you trade him for nothing?

[jersey cubs fan]

A little blurb on Lilly in Chris De Luca's article in today's Suntimes

 

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I looked up the stats on each of the Met's "prospects." Wow, all of them have some ugly peripherals in A+ ball. I really hope Hendry can pull together a better return for Lilly if he trades him.

 

Whey even make the trade? If that is all Hendry wants, the Mets would be morons not to make that trade. I hope Chris De Luca's just talking out of his arse. Not only will none of these guys help us in the near future, they will most likely never help this team. Unless Lilly has suddenly become a club house cancer, a Lilly trade for only the list of prospects above would be a terrible trade.

 

Why "unless he has become a clubhouse cancer"?

 

Why else would you trade him for nothing?

 

You shouldn't trade him for nothing, regardless of some mythological cancer.

[CUBZ99]

A little blurb on Lilly in Chris De Luca's article in today's Suntimes

 

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I looked up the stats on each of the Met's "prospects." Wow, all of them have some ugly peripherals in A+ ball. I really hope Hendry can pull together a better return for Lilly if he trades him.

 

Whey even make the trade? If that is all Hendry wants, the Mets would be morons not to make that trade. I hope Chris De Luca's just talking out of his arse. Not only will none of these guys help us in the near future, they will most likely never help this team. Unless Lilly has suddenly become a club house cancer, a Lilly trade for only the list of prospects above would be a terrible trade.

 

Something doesn't make sense with those names. Only Carson looks half-way intriguing. But with all of the teams reported to be interested in Lilly, Hendry should easily get better prospects than those guys.

[CubColtPacer]

I'm hoping Oswalt is difficult in waiving his NTC. The longer he waits the more valuable Lilly becomes. However, that's not to say I think he'll be difficult nor do I have any reason to believe he'll do so. And only a handful of teams can afford to take on Oswalt's salary for the next few years, anyway. The more I think about it, the more I think we really could get a respectable package back for Lilly.

 

With any other GM I'd feel confident in getting value for Lilly, but I'm prepared for something like an Omar Infante + PTBNL.

 

Not a big Hendry fan here but I do not think that is fair or accurate.

 

I think Hedry normally does fine making trades, but the last time he was in this situation they traded Maddux for Izturis, so there may be some cause for concern. Hendry then made some sort of weird comment after the trade about not wanting prospects or something (I don't remember exactly).

 

I don't think Hendry said that. One source said that the Dodgers were offering prospects and Hendry refused. Another source said that the Dodgers were refusing to offer prospects and Hendry agreed to take Izturis instead at the very last minute.

 

I would definitely agree that Hendry trading away established players has not been as good as his trading for established players. The 06 trading deadline is the only one we've really seen the Cubs sell and he had 1 good trade (Walker/Ceda), 1 terrible trade (Maddux/Izturis) and a couple inconsequential trades (Williamson and Nevin were also traded for little).

 

Since then the Cubs have had dumped a few established players (Jones, Marquis, Bradley) and traded one for value (DeRosa).

 

It's hard to say what will happen with Lilly because the Cubs have never really sold a pitcher like him before. But it's likely that the players the Cubs do get will not be liked initially because if the Cubs have any pattern they tend to get raw players who haven't figured it out yet (which is what happened in both of the Walker and DeRosa deals that worked out well).

[lumafia]

A little blurb on Lilly in Chris De Luca's article in today's Suntimes

 

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I looked up the stats on each of the Met's "prospects." Wow, all of them have some ugly peripherals in A+ ball. I really hope Hendry can pull together a better return for Lilly if he trades him.

 

Whey even make the trade? If that is all Hendry wants, the Mets would be morons not to make that trade. I hope Chris De Luca's just talking out of his arse. Not only will none of these guys help us in the near future, they will most likely never help this team. Unless Lilly has suddenly become a club house cancer, a Lilly trade for only the list of prospects above would be a terrible trade.

 

Why "unless he has become a clubhouse cancer"?

 

Why else would you trade him for nothing?

 

You shouldn't trade him for nothing, regardless of some mythological cancer.

 

The players De Luca has mentioned are, essentially, "nothing". The only way you make that trade would be if Lilly walks into the locker room every day and slaps every member of the team across the face and says they suck and that he is ashamed to be seen on the field with any of them. That would probably qualify him as a "cancer", and would be the only circumstance under which I would trade him for "nothing".

[jersey cubs fan]

The players De Luca has mentioned are, essentially, "nothing". The only way you make that trade would be if Lilly walks into the locker room every day and slaps every member of the team across the face and says they suck and that he is ashamed to be seen on the field with any of them. That would probably qualify him as a "cancer", and would be the only circumstance under which I would trade him for "nothing".

 

And that would be a mistake. You don't trade away guys because you think they are cancers. Trading away a cancer doesn't make the team better. You trade away a guy when you can get better value in terms of play on the field.

[lumafia]

The players De Luca has mentioned are, essentially, "nothing". The only way you make that trade would be if Lilly walks into the locker room every day and slaps every member of the team across the face and says they suck and that he is ashamed to be seen on the field with any of them. That would probably qualify him as a "cancer", and would be the only circumstance under which I would trade him for "nothing".

 

And that would be a mistake. You don't trade away guys because you think they are cancers. Trading away a cancer doesn't make the team better. You trade away a guy when you can get better value in terms of play on the field.

 

But that is exactly what the Cubs would be doing by trading Lilly for the guys mentioned. And I disagree with trading him for those players, as they would not provide any value financially for the future of the Cubs or on the field (which I believe I already said). So, why are you disagreeing with me, when we obviously agree. Are you just in the mood to disagree? Wait a minute.....are you my wife?

[jersey cubs fan]

The players De Luca has mentioned are, essentially, "nothing". The only way you make that trade would be if Lilly walks into the locker room every day and slaps every member of the team across the face and says they suck and that he is ashamed to be seen on the field with any of them. That would probably qualify him as a "cancer", and would be the only circumstance under which I would trade him for "nothing".

 

And that would be a mistake. You don't trade away guys because you think they are cancers. Trading away a cancer doesn't make the team better. You trade away a guy when you can get better value in terms of play on the field.

 

But that is exactly what the Cubs would be doing by trading Lilly for the guys mentioned. And I disagree with trading him for those players, as they would not provide any value financially for the future of the Cubs or on the field (which I believe I already said). So, why are you disagreeing with me, when we obviously agree. Are you just in the mood to disagree? Wait a minute.....are you my wife?

 

I'm just stating that there is no reason to qualify the statement "don't trade Lilly away for nothing".

[lumafia]

The players De Luca has mentioned are, essentially, "nothing". The only way you make that trade would be if Lilly walks into the locker room every day and slaps every member of the team across the face and says they suck and that he is ashamed to be seen on the field with any of them. That would probably qualify him as a "cancer", and would be the only circumstance under which I would trade him for "nothing".

 

And that would be a mistake. You don't trade away guys because you think they are cancers. Trading away a cancer doesn't make the team better. You trade away a guy when you can get better value in terms of play on the field.

 

But that is exactly what the Cubs would be doing by trading Lilly for the guys mentioned. And I disagree with trading him for those players, as they would not provide any value financially for the future of the Cubs or on the field (which I believe I already said). So, why are you disagreeing with me, when we obviously agree. Are you just in the mood to disagree? Wait a minute.....are you my wife?

 

I'm just stating that there is no reason to qualify the statement "don't trade Lilly away for nothing".

 

I can qualify it if I want. There are many examples of why the Cubs would trade away a player like Lilly for nothing. Here are 10 reasons.

 

1. His lucky socks that he hasn't washed in 8 months smell terrible

2. He doesn't laugh at Dempster's impersonations

3. He thinks Colvin should play 1st next year

4. He's a St. Louis Cardinal fan

5. The other players are jealous of tedlillyfanclub.blogspot.com

6. He openly supports Wins and Losses as the primary indicator of evaluating a pitcher

7. He keeps hiding Lou's dementia medication

8. He blames Wrigley Field for the championship drought

9. He stands too far in front of the rubber

10. He prefers Koyie Hill