Lilly & Theriot to the Dodgers for DeWitt, 2 Minor Leaguers

[Clem Fandango]

ESPN is saying that the Yankees are close to acquiring Cliff Lee from Seattle. Once that trade happens it should open things up for trading Lilly and Silva.

 

Something that's been on my mind lately, what would you have to get to make it worth trading Dempster? A lot of people here like him - and rightfully so, but it seems like he'd be someone that could bring in a better package of players moving forward.

 

A very good prospect at first base or second base would be what would tempt me with Dempster.

 

I would add third base to that list, as well.

 

Josh Vitters :(

[fromthestretch]

ESPN is saying that the Yankees are close to acquiring Cliff Lee from Seattle. Once that trade happens it should open things up for trading Lilly and Silva.

 

Something that's been on my mind lately, what would you have to get to make it worth trading Dempster? A lot of people here like him - and rightfully so, but it seems like he'd be someone that could bring in a better package of players moving forward.

 

A very good prospect at first base or second base would be what would tempt me with Dempster.

 

I would add third base to that list, as well.

 

Josh Vitters :(

 

I'm not exactly writing him off. He's still young, but he obviously has a long way to go. Would be nice to have another option at that position.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not exactly writing him off. He's still young, but he obviously has a long way to go. Would be nice to have another option at that position.

 

Not to mention that even when he was in better shape as a prospect there were questions about him sticking at 3B. It can't hurt to acquire more cornermen.

[Guancous]

There will be more competition for Lilly after Cliff Lee gets traded.

[Guest]

How in the blue hell can the Yankees get Cliff Lee? What prospects do they have that would net him?

[jersey cubs fan]

How in the blue hell can the Yankees get Cliff Lee? What prospects do they have that would net him?

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=monter001jes

[Post Count Padder]

How in the blue hell can the Yankees get Cliff Lee? What prospects do they have that would net him?

Jesus Montero. One of the only prospects they have left.

[Post Count Padder]

Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports that the Mets will now "turn strongly" to acquiring Ted Lilly from the Cubs.

Source: Joel Sherman on Twitter

[CubColtPacer]

ESPN is saying that the Yankees are close to acquiring Cliff Lee from Seattle. Once that trade happens it should open things up for trading Lilly and Silva.

 

Something that's been on my mind lately, what would you have to get to make it worth trading Dempster? A lot of people here like him - and rightfully so, but it seems like he'd be someone that could bring in a better package of players moving forward.

 

A very good prospect at first base or second base would be what would tempt me with Dempster.

 

I would add third base to that list, as well.

 

Josh Vitters :(

 

I'm not exactly writing him off. He's still young, but he obviously has a long way to go. Would be nice to have another option at that position.

 

I'd put third base on the second tier by itself. It's definitely a bigger need than the OF, SS, C, or starting pitching. But with 2011 likely having Ramirez there and Vitters still being one of the Cubs better prospects it becomes a little less important than first or second which both have holes on the major league level next year and prospects being either farther away from the majors or nonexistent.

[Guancous]

How in the blue hell can the Yankees get Cliff Lee? What prospects do they have that would net him?

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=monter001jes

 

Yeah, Montero is a top 5 overall prospect.

 

What haul should Hendry try to get from the Mets? Here is a list of their top 10 prospects:

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2010/269121.html

 

I don't think the Mets would give up Fernando Martinez but that's who I would chase.

 

Trade Fukudome for salary relief and have Fukudome & Colvin fight for the RF spot next year.

[NCCubFan]

Trade Fukudome for salary relief and have Fukudome & Colvin fight for the RF spot next year.

So you want to get Fukudome back in the offseason.

[Guancous]

Trade Fukudome for salary relief and have Fukudome & Colvin fight for the RF spot next year.

So you want to get Fukudome back in the offseason.

 

Oops! I meant have Martinez and Colvin battle next spring.

[Clem Fandango]

I don't understand the Fernando Martinez love. He's not a power hitter, he's not a base stealer, he's not an amazing contact hitter, he's not patient...

 

Does he project to evolve into something better because his numbers are drastically mediocre. Is he an elite defender? I know he's still young so there's room for improvement but what is his ceiling? His numbers don't really inspire much excitement

[Guancous]

I don't understand the Fernando Martinez love. He's not a power hitter, he's not a base stealer, he's not an amazing contact hitter, he's not patient...

 

Does he project to evolve into something better because his numbers are drastically mediocre. Is he an elite defender? I know he's still young so there's room for improvement but what is his ceiling? His numbers don't really inspire much excitement

 

He's 21 with a strong pedigree. Here are his prospect rankings. I will admit they are trending in the wrong direction. He is also injury prone:

 

Prospect Ratings by Baseball America:

Pre-2007: Rated #22 Prospect

Pre-2008: Rated #20 Prospect

Pre-2009: Rated #30 Prospect

Pre-2010: Rated #77 Prospect

 

He had a stronger campaign last year and his doubles may turn into homers later. The question is whether he (and another Met prospect) are better than two 2011 sandwich picks.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't understand the Fernando Martinez love. He's not a power hitter, he's not a base stealer, he's not an amazing contact hitter, he's not patient...

 

Does he project to evolve into something better because his numbers are drastically mediocre. Is he an elite defender? I know he's still young so there's room for improvement but what is his ceiling? His numbers don't really inspire much excitement

 

He's 21 with a strong pedigree. Here are his prospect rankings. I will admit they are trending in the wrong direction. He is also injury prone:

 

Prospect Ratings by Baseball America:

Pre-2007: Rated #22 Prospect

Pre-2008: Rated #20 Prospect

Pre-2009: Rated #30 Prospect

Pre-2010: Rated #77 Prospect

 

He had a stronger campaign last year and his doubles may turn into homers later. The question is whether he (and another Met prospect) are better than two 2011 sandwich picks.

 

At the risk of being hounded for talking about Vitters again, it seems similar to Vitters. Lots of early promotions without much performance to match. Although he also spent time in lower levels each year, were those rehab assignments, demotions or what? Not an interesting player to me, but Lilly isn't going to net you a stud.

[Guancous]

I don't understand the Fernando Martinez love. He's not a power hitter, he's not a base stealer, he's not an amazing contact hitter, he's not patient...

 

Does he project to evolve into something better because his numbers are drastically mediocre. Is he an elite defender? I know he's still young so there's room for improvement but what is his ceiling? His numbers don't really inspire much excitement

 

He's 21 with a strong pedigree. Here are his prospect rankings. I will admit they are trending in the wrong direction. He is also injury prone:

 

Prospect Ratings by Baseball America:

Pre-2007: Rated #22 Prospect

Pre-2008: Rated #20 Prospect

Pre-2009: Rated #30 Prospect

Pre-2010: Rated #77 Prospect

 

He had a stronger campaign last year and his doubles may turn into homers later. The question is whether he (and another Met prospect) are better than two 2011 sandwich picks.

 

At the risk of being hounded for talking about Vitters again, it seems similar to Vitters. Lots of early promotions without much performance to match. Although he also spent time in lower levels each year, were those rehab assignments, demotions or what? Not an interesting player to me, but Lilly isn't going to net you a stud.

 

 

The Mets believe that most of his injuries — the right elbow strain in the 2009 Caribbean Series, the fractured wrist in 2007, the sprained left thumb in 2006 — were freak occurrences. He has adhered to their workout and training programs, with the only significant change coming in his diet.

http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/what-are-the-mets-plans-for-fernando-martinez/

[jersey cubs fan]

that's what the cubs need, another broken player

 

as freakish as they may have been, anybody with that many injuries is a huge risk.

[Guest]

Fernando Martinez was rated highly because he was young for his leagues and projectable but at some point he needs to match his potential with output. He was also rated highly because he got a massive bonus when he signed as a 16-year old.

 

I'm not that big a fan of Wilmer Flores either because he will have to move off shortstop and doesn't look like he can add power. Would be nice if the Dodgers or Rangers showed some interest.

[rawaction]

Fernando Martinez was rated highly because he was young for his leagues and projectable but at some point he needs to match his potential with output. He was also rated highly because he got a massive bonus when he signed as a 16-year old.

 

I'm not that big a fan of Wilmer Flores either because he will have to move off shortstop and doesn't look like he can add power. Would be nice if the Dodgers or Rangers showed some interest.

 

Agreed on both counts. I do really like Reese Havens, though I don't know that they'd trade him for a 1/2 year of Ted Lilly. I think he can play in the majors next year, great batting eye, would make Theriot expendable at 2B.

[Clem Fandango]

I'm not that big a fan of Wilmer Flores either because he will have to move off shortstop and doesn't look like he can add power. Would be nice if the Dodgers or Rangers showed some interest.

 

Here's what Keith Law said about Flores in his Top 100 Prospects report...

 

Flores, as predicted, broke with a full-season club in 2009 and held his own despite playing most of the year at 17. He has very quick wrists and is short to the ball with good finish. The ball flies off his bat, especially in BP, in which he shows the promise of future plus power, and in games he has already shown that he can square balls up against pitchers two or three years his senior. In fact, of players with at least 400 at-bats in the Sally League in 2009, only one hitter had fewer strikeouts than Flores did. His main deficiency as a player is very slow feet, even though he's not thickly built, and he has no shot to stay at shortstop and little shot of handling third base, which means he'll end up at first base or in an outfield corner, although there's an excellent chance his bat plays in any of those positions.

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He's 6'3" 175lbs and 18 years old, that frame is going to fill out over time and perhaps he'll be able to add some power, but it's still too early in his career to consider him a sure thing obviously. He's the only prospect of theirs I'm genuinely interested in in terms of guys the Mets might actually give up

[lumafia]

Fernando Martinez was rated highly because he was young for his leagues and projectable but at some point he needs to match his potential with output. He was also rated highly because he got a massive bonus when he signed as a 16-year old.

 

I'm not that big a fan of Wilmer Flores either because he will have to move off shortstop and doesn't look like he can add power. Would be nice if the Dodgers or Rangers showed some interest.

 

Agreed on both counts. I do really like Reese Havens, though I don't know that they'd trade him for a 1/2 year of Ted Lilly. I think he can play in the majors next year, great batting eye, would make Theriot expendable at 2B.

 

The reality is that the Met's farm system doesn't have any prospects that would make an immediate impact, and many of there top prospects are suspect. In addition to that, there big club doesn't have anybody I would necessarily want either. If Hendry does trade with the Mets, it will be a salary dump, and I wouldn't expect too much in return. I'd take Angel Pagan back, but that's about it. The rest of them are either way overpaid, continuously hurt, or not productive.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'd put third base on the second tier by itself. It's definitely a bigger need than the OF, SS, C, or starting pitching. But with 2011 likely having Ramirez there and Vitters still being one of the Cubs better prospects it becomes a little less important than first or second which both have holes on the major league level next year and prospects being either farther away from the majors or nonexistent.

 

Unless you're getting a star out there, couldn't Fontenot + some guy fill the 2B hole in the short-term?

[lumafia]

I'd put third base on the second tier by itself. It's definitely a bigger need than the OF, SS, C, or starting pitching. But with 2011 likely having Ramirez there and Vitters still being one of the Cubs better prospects it becomes a little less important than first or second which both have holes on the major league level next year and prospects being either farther away from the majors or nonexistent.

 

Unless you're getting a star out there, couldn't Fontenot + some guy fill the 2B hole in the short-term?

 

I agree. With Fontenot, we should be fine at 2B. The most glaring issue for this team has been production out of 1B and 3B, which is production out of the 3 and 4 hole in the lineup. Outside of that, this team doesn't have many glaring holes. The only positions where the Cubs are below league average are at 1B (.828 vs .694), 3B (.758 vs .604) and 2B (.726 vs .571). And the only reason we are vastly different at 2B is because Lou won't simply put Fontenot (.768 OPS) there every game. I really hate Lou.

[erik316wttn]

Lilly to the Yankees for Montero. I'll even throw in Koyie Hill to get the deal done.

[dew1679666265]

And the only reason we are vastly different at 2B is because Lou won't simply put Fontenot (.768 OPS) there every game. I really hate Lou.

 

I wouldn't put only Fontenot at second either. He's best in a platoon, though the platoon partner should be Baker to get optimal output.