Lilly & Theriot to the Dodgers for DeWitt, 2 Minor Leaguers

[jersey cubs fan]

From MLBTR:

 

•Jamey Newberg says the Rangers should seriously consider trading Chris Davis or Justin Smoak if there's a real chance to improve the club

 

Lilly for one of those guys to replace DLee sounds good to me.

 

Chris Davis I get, but Justin Smoak? Are they already willing to deal that guy? I know he's started off slow but yeesh, they must really be hungry for a World Series.

 

No way Lilly nets Smoak. Davis, sure I could probably see that. But not Smoak. He'd probably coast too much

 

It's just a reporter saying they should consider it.

[cubfan]

Could the Rangers even take on Lilly's salary? They have major budget issues right?

[Guest]

I think the Cubs would gladly pay Lilly's remaining money if it meant getting someone like Justin Smoak.

[Guest]

From MLBTR:

 

•Jamey Newberg says the Rangers should seriously consider trading Chris Davis or Justin Smoak if there's a real chance to improve the club

 

Lilly for one of those guys to replace DLee sounds good to me.

 

The Rangers won't trade Smoak for Lilly.

[UK1679666180]

Exactly. There are 3 solid options that would be ready to start from day 1 next season. Hell, you can add Coleman and Samardzija to that list in emergency situations. There's no point in committing more money to the rotation.

 

While I know the risks are there with Marmol, I would be opposed to trading him at this point. Marmol, Marshall, and anything from Guzman gives them a solid back of the pen.

 

Offensively, maybe they'll need a 1B depending on Lee and if there's a market for him and any desire to waive the NTC. I can't imagine Ramirez declining that player option. They'll need a 2B though.

 

Unfort. they'll likely have too many holes and nopt enough payroll to make them competitive next year. Their best plan will be to see what they have with younger player and their fate likely rest in their hands as well as fighting off decline with Zambrano, Ramirez, Dempster, and Soriano.

Edited July 8, 2010 by UK

[UK1679666180]

Yeah, as long as they're one of the 15 worst teams this season, the pick will be protected.

 

I'm not sure what the point of bringing back Lilly is.

 

There really isn't one.

 

Hopefully Diamond has made enough of an impression where he has become option as a starter next year, Jackson and Cashner should be candidates as well but who knows what the organization is thinking.

 

Between those 3, hopefully 2 of them can step up in case they do trade Lilly and Silva and don't bring them back.

 

This is the reason you might want to bring Lilly back.

 

For what? So they can watch him cont. to decline?

 

There's no need for this current Cubs team to spend larger amounts (7+ mil per) money on a marginal difference between a declining Lilly and one of those 3 guys.

 

Lilly isn't the difference between the Cubs becoming a playoff contender and where they're currently at, but a few years donw the road that extra payroll not used on him might be.

[jersey cubs fan]

Exactly. There are 3 solid options that would be ready to start from day 1 next season. Hell, you can add Coleman and Samardzija to that list in emergency situations. There's no point in committing more money to the rotation.

 

While I know the risks are there with Marmol, I would be opposed to trading him at this point. Marmol, Marshall, and anything from Guzman gives them a solid back of the pen.

 

Offensively, maybe they'll need a 1B depending on Lee. I can't imagine Ramirez declining that player option. They'll need a 2B though.

 

Unfort. they'll likely have too many holes and nopt enough payroll to make them competitive next year. Their best plan will be to see what they have with younger player and their fate likely rest in their hands as well as fighting off decline with Zambrano, Ramirez, Dempster, and Soriano.

 

 

If your opinion is that they won't have enough to compete next year, why would you want them to hold onto Marmol now, just giving them another meaningless season of risk about his arm?

[UK1679666180]

Exactly. There are 3 solid options that would be ready to start from day 1 next season. Hell, you can add Coleman and Samardzija to that list in emergency situations. There's no point in committing more money to the rotation.

 

While I know the risks are there with Marmol, I would be opposed to trading him at this point. Marmol, Marshall, and anything from Guzman gives them a solid back of the pen.

 

Offensively, maybe they'll need a 1B depending on Lee. I can't imagine Ramirez declining that player option. They'll need a 2B though.

 

Unfort. they'll likely have too many holes and nopt enough payroll to make them competitive next year. Their best plan will be to see what they have with younger player and their fate likely rest in their hands as well as fighting off decline with Zambrano, Ramirez, Dempster, and Soriano.

 

 

If your opinion is that they won't have enough to compete next year, why would you want them to hold onto Marmol now, just giving them another meaningless season of risk about his arm?

 

They still have a year or so before that contract gets bloated, plus it also reduces the risk of Cashner being shifted to the pen. Remove Marmol from the equation and Cashner likely becomes the closer for the remainder under this group. Plus, they don't have any viable closer options in the minors and if they need one going into next year it will likely be done in a free market setting and likely overpaying for one with the poss. of losing a draft pick.

[jersey cubs fan]

They still have a year or so before that contract gets bloated, plus it also reduces the risk of Cashner being shifted to the pen. Remove Marmol from the equation and Cashner likely becomes the closer for the remainder under this group. Plus, they don't have any viable closer options in the minors and if they need one going into next year it will likely be done in a free market setting and likely overpaying for one with the poss. of losing a draft pick.

 

So you don't want them to do it to save themselves from their own stupidity? Or because you want to keep Marmol?

[UK1679666180]

So you don't want them to do it to save themselves from their own stupidity? Or because you want to keep Marmol?

 

Both, the Cubs tend to trip over their feet in regards to player roles (Cahsner and Jackson this year) and Marmol still has some years before his contract likely will meet or get close to his expected player production.

[Clem Fandango]

From MLBTR:

 

•Jamey Newberg says the Rangers should seriously consider trading Chris Davis or Justin Smoak if there's a real chance to improve the club

 

Lilly for one of those guys to replace DLee sounds good to me.

 

Chris Davis I get, but Justin Smoak? Are they already willing to deal that guy? I know he's started off slow but yeesh, they must really be hungry for a World Series.

 

No way Lilly nets Smoak. Davis, sure I could probably see that. But not Smoak. He'd probably coast too much

 

It's just a reporter saying they should consider it.

 

Duh... missed the "should", thought he was reporting a rumor he heard, not an opinion

[lumafia]

Exactly. There are 3 solid options that would be ready to start from day 1 next season. Hell, you can add Coleman and Samardzija to that list in emergency situations. There's no point in committing more money to the rotation.

 

While I know the risks are there with Marmol, I would be opposed to trading him at this point. Marmol, Marshall, and anything from Guzman gives them a solid back of the pen.

 

Offensively, maybe they'll need a 1B depending on Lee. I can't imagine Ramirez declining that player option. They'll need a 2B though.

 

Unfort. they'll likely have too many holes and nopt enough payroll to make them competitive next year. Their best plan will be to see what they have with younger player and their fate likely rest in their hands as well as fighting off decline with Zambrano, Ramirez, Dempster, and Soriano.

 

 

If your opinion is that they won't have enough to compete next year, why would you want them to hold onto Marmol now, just giving them another meaningless season of risk about his arm?

 

Who would we trade him for? Is Marmol currently experiencing arm problems?

[jersey cubs fan]

Who would we trade him for? Is Marmol currently experiencing arm problems?

 

Trade him for just about anything. This team can use it. The point is he's a huge injury risk, given his delivery, let alone the fact that relievers are terribly inconsistent.

[mookie]

Who would we trade him for? Is Marmol currently experiencing arm problems?

 

Trade him for just about anything. This team can use it. The point is he's a huge injury risk, given his delivery, let alone the fact that relievers are terribly inconsistent.

 

Trade him to the Red Sox for their 1st baseman prospect. I would be down for that. Wait...let me check some numbers.

 

Yep. Lars Anderson is a lefty! Also, he destroyed AA this season, and is definitely adjusting to AAA currently.

[mookie]

I also hope Lilly doesn't go to the Mets. We aren't going to get anything good from them.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The only scenrio in which Id want to re sigh Lilly is if we were able to trade Z to a team dumb enough to pick up a decent portion of his salary. If we dont trade Lilly, if ever there was a year to offer him arb without him accepting it it would be 2011. I know he loves Chicago, but there is a very thin free agent class, and a lot of teams in need of starting pitching. Clif Lee is the big prize, but the teams that cant afford him or miss out on him will be turning to others, and Ted Lilly is one of the best of the bunch. There are high risk guys like Sheets, Webb, Bedard, and Duscherer out there that could yield high reward, but Lillys probably the safest bet out there for a team looking for a quality front of the rotation guy. Even at the age of 35, he may very well end up with a 3 year deal.

[Post Count Padder]

The Cubs are finally starting to get serious about making trades, and The Chicago Tribune's Fred Mitchell and David Kaplan hear that the team is picking up their efforts to shed some "cumbersome salaries." Ownership is also expected to address the media about the team's direction at some point.

"It has been very difficult for the family and the team the first half of the season," chairman Tom Ricketts told season ticket holders. "This is not where the family wanted to be in the first half of the season."

 

Kosuke Fukudome, who has close to $20MM left on his deal, probably represents the most "movable" of the big salaries, since the team is unlikely to find a taker for Alfonso Soriano ($62MM left) or Carlos Zambrano ($45MM) without eating a significant portion of their contracts.

 

Derrek Lee is owed approximately $6.2MM the rest of the season, Ted Lilly a touch less. Those two are probably Chicago's best hope for clearing payroll, though the savings will not extend beyond this season since both are scheduled to become free agents this winter. The Cubs have over $103MM in salary obligations for 2011, and more than $62MM for 2012.

[Guest]

The phrasing there is a bit worrisome. It seems like there's an implied focus on not having to pay some salaries, rather than making the team better by being sellers.

[soapy]

Who did that wording come from though? Kaplan and/or Mitchell? Looking only at the quote from Ricketts there, I don't see anything worrisome.

[Guest]

Who did that wording come from though? Kaplan and/or Mitchell? Looking only at the quote from Ricketts there, I don't see anything worrisome.

 

We don't know, which is why I used words like a bit and implied. Quoting "cumbersome salaries" doesn't help either, although I'm far from freaking out about it.

[biittner77]

ESPN is saying that the Yankees are close to acquiring Cliff Lee from Seattle. Once that trade happens it should open things up for trading Lilly and Silva.

 

Something that's been on my mind lately, what would you have to get to make it worth trading Dempster? A lot of people here like him - and rightfully so, but it seems like he'd be someone that could bring in a better package of players moving forward.

[jersey cubs fan]

Something that's been on my mind lately, what would you have to get to make it worth trading Dempster? A lot of people here like him - and rightfully so, but it seems like he'd be someone that could bring in a better package of players moving forward.

 

A halfway decent bat and arm.

[CubColtPacer]

ESPN is saying that the Yankees are close to acquiring Cliff Lee from Seattle. Once that trade happens it should open things up for trading Lilly and Silva.

 

Something that's been on my mind lately, what would you have to get to make it worth trading Dempster? A lot of people here like him - and rightfully so, but it seems like he'd be someone that could bring in a better package of players moving forward.

 

A very good prospect at first base or second base would be what would tempt me with Dempster. On one hand, he is a big component of the 2011-2012 teams. On the other, the Cubs have so much potential starting pitching that it would be hard not to trade him if an opportunity to fill other organizational needs comes up.

[fromthestretch]

ESPN is saying that the Yankees are close to acquiring Cliff Lee from Seattle. Once that trade happens it should open things up for trading Lilly and Silva.

 

Something that's been on my mind lately, what would you have to get to make it worth trading Dempster? A lot of people here like him - and rightfully so, but it seems like he'd be someone that could bring in a better package of players moving forward.

 

A very good prospect at first base or second base would be what would tempt me with Dempster.

 

I would add third base to that list, as well.

[jersey cubs fan]

ESPN is saying that the Yankees are close to acquiring Cliff Lee from Seattle. Once that trade happens it should open things up for trading Lilly and Silva.

 

Something that's been on my mind lately, what would you have to get to make it worth trading Dempster? A lot of people here like him - and rightfully so, but it seems like he'd be someone that could bring in a better package of players moving forward.

 

A very good prospect at first base or second base would be what would tempt me with Dempster. On one hand, he is a big component of the 2011-2012 teams. On the other, the Cubs have so much potential starting pitching that it would be hard not to trade him if an opportunity to fill other organizational needs comes up.

 

I'm not so sure about his value to the 2011-2012 team. The last time he went three straight years over 200 innings his arm fell apart. He's had a nice resurgence, and might have a year or two left of that. But he'll be 35 that year and will have had to go 9 straight years with a healthy arm and without declining to be a "big component" of that team. If the thought is to rebuild for then, you can replace him by then.