Lilly & Theriot to the Dodgers for DeWitt, 2 Minor Leaguers

[Shilzzz]

Colletti says he's willing to move prospects, has some salary flexibility.

 

Go get some prospects, Jim. Ned is begging to get prospect raped. Take the money and run.

[Keener98]

Just curious, but why all the interest in the Dodgers farm system that was ranked 24th in all of the Majors by Baseball America?

[mookie]

The Dodgers are more than likely not going to absorb payroll. In theory, they would be the most likely to give a better package. This is all simply conjecture though. I don't think the Cubs are going to be getting anything of any significance for Lilly. I would love to be wrong though.

[Outshined_One]

Just curious, but why all the interest in the Dodgers farm system that was ranked 24th in all of the Majors by Baseball America?

 

In large part because Colletti is willing to overpay with prospects. Their system isn't as deep as it once was, but they still have guys who would fit very nicely into the Cubs' farm.

[Keener98]

Just curious, but why all the interest in the Dodgers farm system that was ranked 24th in all of the Majors by Baseball America?

 

In large part because Colletti is willing to overpay with prospects. Their system isn't as deep as it once was, but they still have guys who would fit very nicely into the Cubs' farm.

 

 

Ok makes sense.

[Shilzzz]

Remember that time the Indians got Carlos Santana from the Dodgers for Casey Blake? =P~

[Guest]

Most importantly, their farm system isn't wretched like the Mets. The Twins have a really nice farm system but they're not going to part with the elite guys.

[dew1679666265]

Posturing or are the Cubs not as close as we thought to dealing Lilly?

 

The Chicago Sun-Times quoted unnamed "Major League sources" as saying Lilly could be moved before Tuesday to one of the teams in search of pitching for the postseason run. However, team officials said on Saturday nothing is imminent.

 

"That's going to be Jim's call," Piniella said on Saturday. "My response would be, let's give this a longer period of time. Nine games is a lot, but it's not that much. You can't make it up in a week or 10 days, but over a period of time, picking up a game here, a game there, you'd be surprised. You can be in a pennant race playing good baseball by the middle of August. That's what our thoughts are, and we'll see what happens."

 

There are also tidbits on Golden and Z in the story.

[shnsajax]

Ben Sheets re-injured his elbow today. This might help the asking price for Lilly.

[cubsfan5150]

If we know for a fact that Lilly will be a type A, I think I'd rather keep him and see what we can do.

[davell]

Just curious, but why all the interest in the Dodgers farm system that was ranked 24th in all of the Majors by Baseball America?

 

In large part because Colletti is willing to overpay with prospects. Their system isn't as deep as it once was, but they still have guys who would fit very nicely into the Cubs' farm.

 

 

Ok makes sense.

 

Plus, they've had some guys take jumps this year as well. I bet they've got 5 guys that'll be in BA's top 100 next year in Gordon, Withrow, Martin, Miller, and Robinson. Along with a few guys like Sands, Webster, Jansen(who got called up yesterday) Eovaldi and even Lambo who would be very solid additions to our system. I'd take their system over the Mets or Tigers without a doubt.

[jiml60]

If the Cubs complete the sweep of the Deadbirds tomorrow, all the talk will be of how they are ready to make a run and suddenly become buyers.

[davell]

If the Cubs complete the sweep of the Deadbirds tomorrow, all the talk will be of how they are ready to make a run and suddenly become buyers.

 

Please be wrong. Lou made it sound like he wishes they'd hold off too. It does have me slightly worried, but since Hendry has basically been given job security, I'd like to think that he'd know we have next to zero shot at making the playoffs. We're 8.5 back of Cincy and 9 back of STL. I think the Giants or someone else is right there with those two teams as well, so the wild card looks damn near impossible, with damn near having gassed up already......

 

Cubs are 45-53 right now. To finish 88-74, they'd have to go 43-21 the rest of the way. There's no guarantee that even makes the playoffs either. But, the Cubs have done nothing all year that suggests they could even pull off a run like that anyway.

 

Just sell, Jim. Just sell.

[TruffleShuffle]

bp put our playoff chances at 0.58% before the cardinals game. even if we sweep, the front office should not be considering anything but selling.

[cubsfan5150]

I agree with selling anyone that we know we won't offer arbitration to. I also agree with selling tweeners like Theriot or Fontenot, who we still have under contract, but anyone like Lilly that we know we'll offer arbitration to, I'd assume keep and enjoy the loaded 2011 draft, unless someone really knocks our socks off with an offer.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wait, why seek to trade Fontenot?

[cubsfan5150]

Wait, why trade Fontenot?

 

I'm not saying move him just to move him, but I wouldn't be against moving him if we got something of value for him. Obviously, if we traded Theriot, then more than likely keep Fonzy. I'm just saying, he isn't untouchable for any reason.

[Sammy Sofa]

Oh, right. I guess I just wasn't expecting a team to be actively seeking him.

[cubsfan5150]

Oh, right. I guess I just wasn't expecting a team to be actively seeking him.

 

If I remember correctly, Boston was looking at him before E.Patt fell in their laps.

[davell]

Can Miggy still play 3rd at all? With as many holes as Detroit has now, especially with Maggs going out, gotta wonder if they'll just stay put now and not make a deal. That said, if Miggy could still play 3rd and with their needs up the middle and in the rotation, maybe we could be a one stop shop for them and send them Lilly, Lee, AND Theriot......LOL

[TruffleShuffle]

Oh, right. I guess I just wasn't expecting a team to be actively seeking him.

 

at this point i doubt that most people around the league know that he still exists, and that goes for cubs management too.

[Clem Fandango]

From BP on ESPN's 5 Trades that still need to happen this July.

 

1. The New York Yankees acquire LHP Ted Lilly from the Chicago Cubs for 2B prospect Corban Joseph

Skip Yankees GM Brian Cashman's brave talk about standing pat. This is a straightforward matter of patching up in Andy Pettitte's absence -- namely, avoiding Sergio Mitre as a rotation regular for the month or more until Pettitte comes back. Keep in mind, the Yankees are also trying to endure A.J. Burnett's latest inconsistent season; Burnett's .457 Support-Neutral Winning Percentage looks a lot like Mitre's career-high mark of .451 back in 2007. That just won't get it done in the AL East. Aside from Lilly's flagging velocity, a big problem for him this season has been location against left-handers. With the Yankees, he'd have the advantage of pitching with great run support in a ballpark that is turning out to be less of a launching pad than was initially expected. He has experience pitching in pennant races, and he wouldn't come in having to be a star -- he'd just deliver effective starts consistent with his .512 SNWP and let the offense grind opponents to dust.

 

Joseph was ranked by BP's Kevin Goldstein as the Yankees' 12th-best prospect entering the season, and the 21-year-old has an .836 OPS in the hitter-friendly Florida State League. He's not going to be a star, but he could be a solid regular. Besides, Lilly isn't worth a blue-chipper.

[Little Slide Rooter]

From BP on ESPN's 5 Trades that still need to happen this July.

 

1. The New York Yankees acquire LHP Ted Lilly from the Chicago Cubs for 2B prospect Corban Joseph

Skip Yankees GM Brian Cashman's brave talk about standing pat. This is a straightforward matter of patching up in Andy Pettitte's absence -- namely, avoiding Sergio Mitre as a rotation regular for the month or more until Pettitte comes back. Keep in mind, the Yankees are also trying to endure A.J. Burnett's latest inconsistent season; Burnett's .457 Support-Neutral Winning Percentage looks a lot like Mitre's career-high mark of .451 back in 2007. That just won't get it done in the AL East. Aside from Lilly's flagging velocity, a big problem for him this season has been location against left-handers. With the Yankees, he'd have the advantage of pitching with great run support in a ballpark that is turning out to be less of a launching pad than was initially expected. He has experience pitching in pennant races, and he wouldn't come in having to be a star -- he'd just deliver effective starts consistent with his .512 SNWP and let the offense grind opponents to dust.

 

Joseph was ranked by BP's Kevin Goldstein as the Yankees' 12th-best prospect entering the season, and the 21-year-old has an .836 OPS in the hitter-friendly Florida State League. He's not going to be a star, but he could be a solid regular. Besides, Lilly isn't worth a blue-chipper.

 

As the deadline approaches and, teams are in need of qulity starting pitching, espeically lefties, players who normally wouldnt be worth a blue chipper could very well land one. Besides, farm systems in baseball are full of guys who arent going to be stars but could be solid regulars. We have enough middle infield prsopects starting with Castro, and then Lee, Thomas, Lake, and Watkins. This Joseph guy doesnt seem like hed even be worht the comp picks wed get if Lilly is offered arbitration, which he should be if we keep him. No thanks.

[Outshined_One]

I wouldn't do a Lilly for Joseph deal straight up. At this point, I'm pretty much of the opinion that, if the Cubs can't land a Top 100 prospect or a package of decent prospects for Lilly, they shouldn't bother trading him and instead pocket the inevitable draft picks.

[Guest]

I wouldn't do a Lilly for Joseph deal straight up. At this point, I'm pretty much of the opinion that, if the Cubs can't land a Top 100 prospect or a package of decent prospects for Lilly, they shouldn't bother trading him and instead pocket the inevitable draft picks.

 

Exactly. You need to compare the haul you get for Lilly to the value of the picks you would get in the offseason.