College Basketball 2010-11

[Guest]

Bobo Morgan was dismissed from UCLA today. He's the second player from the heralded 2008 recruiting class to be dismissed from the school (Drew Gordon the other).

[Guest]

Lavin to St. John's.

 

:lol:

 

I didn't follow UCLA that closely but he either had to have been a good recruiter or slightly better coach than he gets credit for. I know it's UCLA but still he wasn't that bad.

 

And yeah it sucks to not have him doing Big Ten games.

 

His recruiting was really good. His teams were consistently pretty stacked. His coaching? Uh, not so much.

 

His recruiting was great early on (had the #1 class in...I want to say 1998) but it tailed off big time as the program continued to stall out in the Sweet 16 and you got further and further away from the 1995 national championship.

 

He couldn't coach if his life depended on it.

[Formerly Snayke]

Pullen putting his name into the draft, but not hiring an agent. Hope this kid is given the right advice and decides to come back next year, as he's not a first round talent "yet" until he can prove himself at PG for a year. Him not being back would change us from a preseason probable top 10 to barely top 25 if even top 25.

 

Just what I've been told, not confirmed btw...

 

He's not going to improve his draft stock much. He'll go from early 2nd-rounder in 2010 to maybe late 1st-rounder in 2011. He's going to be a very valuable role player in the NBA, but unless he comes back to K-State as the team's primary point guard and shows that he's great at it, he's just not going to be that valued.

[hawkeyecub]

I think it's a good thing that Iowa jumped on Fran McCaffery when they did. He, Brian Gregory from Dayton and Wojcik from Tulsa were 3 finalists but it sounded like Fran and Gregory were top two. Gregory wouldn't talk until the NIT was over and wanted more money. Seton Hall was ready to offer their job to Fran and possibly St. John's also. He wanted the Iowa job but if they waited around until Friday to speak to Gregory and got turned down, you might be stuck out in the cold.

 

Plus if Tubby leaves he would have had interest in Minnesota (not sure if they would've wanted him) and Katz said tonight that Fran would have been at the top of Boston College's list if he didn't take the Iowa job.

 

Anyways it's the honeymoon phase but I'm getting more and more pumped about him. I think Gottlieb summed it up pretty well on his podcast- Not a sexy hire but he's won everywhere and has inherited a mess in his last two jobs and turned them around. They'll play fast, doesn't think they can win a Big Ten title unless his teams take better shots but that's not what it's about now. Getting better players, playing a more watchable style and get people into Carver. Thinks they'll win and be very competitive but the Big Ten is a bitch.

[bcl412]

I think it's a good thing that Iowa jumped on Fran McCaffery when they did. He, Brian Gregory from Dayton and Wojcik from Tulsa were 3 finalists but it sounded like Fran and Gregory were top two. Gregory wouldn't talk until the NIT was over and wanted more money. Seton Hall was ready to offer their job to Fran and possibly St. John's also. He wanted the Iowa job but if they waited around until Friday to speak to Gregory and got turned down, you might be stuck out in the cold.

 

Plus if Tubby leaves he would have had interest in Minnesota (not sure if they would've wanted him) and Katz said tonight that Fran would have been at the top of Boston College's list if he didn't take the Iowa job.

 

Anyways it's the honeymoon phase but I'm getting more and more pumped about him. I think Gottlieb summed it up pretty well on his podcast- Not a sexy hire but he's won everywhere and has inherited a mess in his last two jobs and turned them around. They'll play fast, doesn't think they can win a Big Ten title unless his teams take better shots but that's not what it's about now. Getting better players, playing a more watchable style and get people into Carver. Thinks they'll win and be very competitive but the Big Ten is a bitch.

 

I'm pretty pumped for next year to start.

[hawkeyecub]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2010-03-30-ncaa-tournament-expansion_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

 

Delaney says the jump to 96 is probable.

[SouthSideRyan]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2010-03-30-ncaa-tournament-expansion_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

 

Delaney says the jump to 96 is probable.

 

Awful

[Andy]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2010-03-30-ncaa-tournament-expansion_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

 

Delaney says the jump to 96 is probable.

 

Awful

Once this happens, I have no plans to watch the 32 'play-in' games. I'll watch the 64-team tournament like always and unless ND is in one of the other 32 games I'll ignore it. No reason to encourage idiocy by giving these people another pair of eyeballs.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

More tournament spots = more jobs saved for coaches. They are pushing for this hard.

[SouthSideRyan]

More tournament spots = more jobs saved for coaches. They are pushing for this hard.

 

96 teams making the tournament = miss the tournament, you're fired.

[Exile on Waveland]

Lavin to St. John's.

 

:lol:

 

I didn't follow UCLA that closely but he either had to have been a good recruiter or slightly better coach than he gets credit for. I know it's UCLA but still he wasn't that bad.

 

And yeah it sucks to not have him doing Big Ten games.

 

His recruiting was really good. His teams were consistently pretty stacked. His coaching? Uh, not so much.

 

His recruiting was great early on (had the #1 class in...I want to say 1998) but it tailed off big time as the program continued to stall out in the Sweet 16 and you got further and further away from the 1995 national championship.

 

He couldn't coach if his life depended on it.

 

The 2001 was very highly ranked, and, from memory, may have also been the top-ranked national class (it included Cedric Bozeman, Dijon Thompson, Andre Patterson, and Michael Fey). The 2002 class included Ryan Hollins. His last class (2003) included 5-star Trevor Ariza. There may have been some recruiting slippage -- the last two years didn't include enough players and Evan Burns couldn't qualify -- but it's not like his recruiting fell off into an abyss.

[Exile on Waveland]

More tournament spots = more jobs saved for coaches. They are pushing for this hard.

 

96 teams making the tournament = miss the tournament, you're fired.

 

I just don't understand that line of thinking. One must assume that all fans and administrators will ignore the expansion of the tournament and consider a berth of the same importance as before (i.e., one must assume all fans/administrators are morons).

[imb]

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2010-McDonalds-All-American-Game-Duke-vs-UNC-Smackdown-3421

 

Duke and UNC commits (including Harrison Barnes) talking "trash" this week. They all seem pretty cool, makes me wish they weren't going to duke and unc. you can kind of tell there won't be a harrison Barnes dance next season, if you know what i mean.

[Guest]

People thought it was just as ludicrous to go to 64 teams. The move to 96 is fine.

[Guest]

People thought it was just as ludicrous to go to 64 teams. The move to 96 is fine.

 

Why would you want to see a bunch of .500 schools from the Big 6 conferences in the tournament? All this is going to mean is that the mid-majors get screwed over because they're all going to be put in the play-in games (just like the current play-in game) because there's no chance the Big 6 coaches allow their teams to be put in every play in game.

 

The tournament is perfect the way it is. No need to change it.

Edited March 31, 2010 by soccer10k

[Andy]

People thought it was just as ludicrous to go to 64 teams. The move to 96 is fine.

 

Why would you want to see a bunch of .500 schools from the Big 6 conferences in the tournament?

 

The tournament is perfect the way it is. No need to change it.

Most fake bracketologies done this season for a 96-team tournament had UNC making it in as one of the last four in. UNC finished 11th in a 12-team, weak ACC this year. I don't want any part of a tournament like that.

[jersey cubs fan]

People thought it was just as ludicrous to go to 64 teams. The move to 96 is fine.

 

That's only because a 64 team tournament that gives all sorts of mediocre teams "a shot" is ludicrous.

[SouthSideRyan]

People thought it was just as ludicrous to go to 64 teams. The move to 96 is fine.

 

There were like 30 automatic bids back then. It made some sense. Now you're paving the way for every Big 6 team over 500 to make the tourney. It's ridiculous.

[Guest]

The difference in quality between the last bubble team making it in now and the last team making into a field of 96 won't really be that great. Neither has a realistic shot at being all that special in the tourney.

 

For those that say this will reduce the drama of the regular season, I disagree. Teams will still be fighting to win their conferences or place well in their conferences just like they do today. There will be less drama about making the tourney, but seeding will become vastly more important than it is today. Right now, the only BIG question on selection sunday is who is in/out. Now we'll have one set of teams worrying about in/out and another whole set (of much more important teams to consider in any given year) worrying about whether or not they will get a first round bye.

 

Further - to all you liars who say you won't even bother to fill out a bracket if this happens...you're lying to yourself. :D

[Guest]

People thought it was just as ludicrous to go to 64 teams. The move to 96 is fine.

 

There were like 30 automatic bids back then. It made some sense. Now you're paving the way for every Big 6 team over 500 to make the tourney. It's ridiculous.

It wasn't even close to 30 auto-bids out of 32. What the crap are you talking about?

[Exile on Waveland]

The difference in quality between the last bubble team making it in now and the last team making into a field of 96 won't really be that great.

 

Yes, that will often be true. But instead of having one or two or a handful of those sub-par teams included, now you're going to have over 30. I don't see how that does anything other than dilute the tournament.

[snoodmonger]

People thought it was just as ludicrous to go to 64 teams. The move to 96 is fine.

 

There were like 30 automatic bids back then. It made some sense. Now you're paving the way for every Big 6 team over 500 to make the tourney. It's ridiculous.

It wasn't even close to 30 auto-bids out of 32. What the crap are you talking about?

 

He's saying that there was a time when you had to win your conference to be in the tourney, as only one team per conference was allowed. I think that lasted into the 70s. That left out highly ranked teams who had the misfortune of losing to teams that were better than them.

 

this year, for example, there would have been no KSU or Baylor from the Big 12. No West Virginia (assuming we're using regular season conf champs.) No MSU or Ohio State. No Tennessee.

 

There's no reason now to expand the tournament any further. Teams that will now make it have no reasonable shot at winning anything. Their inclusion will make what is now a borderline inflated field cumbersome, bloated, and unwieldy.

[CubbieBum]

People thought it was just as ludicrous to go to 64 teams. The move to 96 is fine.

 

There were like 30 automatic bids back then. It made some sense. Now you're paving the way for every Big 6 team over 500 to make the tourney. It's ridiculous.

It wasn't even close to 30 auto-bids out of 32. What the crap are you talking about?

 

He's saying that there was a time when you had to win your conference to be in the tourney, as only one team per conference was allowed. I think that lasted into the 70s. That left out highly ranked teams who had the misfortune of losing to teams that were better than them.

 

this year, for example, there would have been no KSU or Baylor from the Big 12. No West Virginia (assuming we're using regular season conf champs.) No MSU or Ohio State. No Tennessee.

 

There's no reason now to expand the tournament any further. Teams that will now make it have no reasonable shot at winning anything. Their inclusion will make what is now a borderline inflated field cumbersome, bloated, and unwieldy.

 

It would have been no MSU or Purdue. Ohio State won the tiebreaker. That said I 100% agree with your post.

[SouthSideRyan]

People thought it was just as ludicrous to go to 64 teams. The move to 96 is fine.

 

There were like 30 automatic bids back then. It made some sense. Now you're paving the way for every Big 6 team over 500 to make the tourney. It's ridiculous.

It wasn't even close to 30 auto-bids out of 32. What the crap are you talking about?

 

No, but it used to be 23(or whatever) out of 23.

 

They didn't allow at larges until like 76. And by the time the tourney expanded (from the 50s) to 64, there were a few more auto-bids than when there no at-larges.

[SpongeWorthy]

Lavin to St. John's.

 

:lol:

 

I didn't follow UCLA that closely but he either had to have been a good recruiter or slightly better coach than he gets credit for. I know it's UCLA but still he wasn't that bad.

 

And yeah it sucks to not have him doing Big Ten games.

 

His recruiting was really good. His teams were consistently pretty stacked. His coaching? Uh, not so much.

 

His recruiting was great early on (had the #1 class in...I want to say 1998) but it tailed off big time as the program continued to stall out in the Sweet 16 and you got further and further away from the 1995 national championship.

 

He couldn't coach if his life depended on it.

 

Getting to the Sweet 16 all the time isn't necessarily something to sneeze at. I figured Lavin was a better tourney coach than a regular season coach.

 

Weren't some of those Sweet 16 "runs" pretty surprising at the time?