College Basketball 2010-11

[SouthSideRyan]

If he wants a shot at a title in his one and done college career, I think UT offers a better chance next season.

 

What?

 

No.

[SouthSideRyan]

Personally I would make Doc pay Jeremiah's way, lol. It isn't like he can't afford it. That would free up a scholarship.

 

I'd probably be rooting for Rivers to focus on his studies if I were an IU fan.

[C.C.]

Damn! I didn't realize how all out DePaul is going for a new coach. Thier budget is 1M per year and they will go over that depending on the coach. Man, they have to get this right to get the program on the right track.

[UK1679666180]

UK just rec'd a commit from Turkish PF Enes Kanter, who according to Rivals would've been a top 25 recruit had he been on the radar last Fall.

 

While UK will definitely lose Wall, Cousins, Patterson and possiblly Bledsoe or even Orton, everything will hinge on Brandon Knight as the next one and done star PG. I think it's likely UK will get Knight and KU will get Selby.

He turned down millions from overseas to play for Cal. Wonder how this one ends? :roll:

 

Turning down a 5yr multi-million dollar deal (which likely means under 1 mil per year or else semantics would've had it at 1 mil or higher) as well as a 2 yr. deal based on dollar potential is probably a wise decision playing 2 years of college ball and entering the draft rather than an extended contract overseas with a reduced contract.

[soapy]

I stand by it: Elston > Watford.

 

Interesting. I like Elston, but I definitely see Watford as the better player both now and in terms of potential. I think the only advantage Elston has over Watford is range.

 

ETA: Elston is also stronger right now, but I expect Watford to bulk up.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Turning down a 5yr multi-million dollar deal (which likely means under 1 mil per year or else semantics would've had it at 1 mil or higher) as well as a 2 yr. deal based on dollar potential is probably a wise decision playing 2 years of college ball and entering the draft rather than an extended contract overseas with a reduced contract.

He'll make about $5 million in his first year at Kentucky

[Sosa21MVP]

I do like Elston too. Probably should have mentioned him along with Watford.

[Sosa21MVP]

Personally I would make Doc pay Jeremiah's way, lol. It isn't like he can't afford it. That would free up a scholarship.

 

I'd probably be rooting for Rivers to focus on his studies if I were an IU fan.

 

That would be great but I am being realistic. We are stuck with him for one more year. :?

[SouthSideRyan]

Damn! I didn't realize how all out DePaul is going for a new coach. Thier budget is 1M per year and they will go over that depending on the coach. Man, they have to get this right to get the program on the right track.

 

1M per year isn't that big of a budget unless they're talking strictly base.

[snoodmonger]

I think we get Selby.

I have him pegged to go to UK, but KU would be my 2nd guess. I find it very unlikely he'll got to UT. He won't end up at Iowa for fear of being lost in all that talent.

 

Selby to UK seems like a stretch since he never took his official visit there. Also, I think Brandon Knight will go to UK, and I doubt Selby will want to play with him.

 

I think it's down to Zona and KU with Tennessee as a darkhorse.

 

 

As far as Kanter goes, it will be interesting to see how quickly/if he'll see the court. A lot of coaches backed off of him because they don't think he'll be cleared to play by the NCAA.

[HenryBlanco]

Marshall confirms he isnt interested in the iowa coaching job.

 

http://www.kansas.com/2010/03/25/1240976/wichita-states-marshall-says-he.html

[C.C.]

Damn! I didn't realize how all out DePaul is going for a new coach. Thier budget is 1M per year and they will go over that depending on the coach. Man, they have to get this right to get the program on the right track.

 

1M per year isn't that big of a budget unless they're talking strictly base.

 

Sure, but it's far more then I thought Depaul would be willing to pay.

[SouthSideRyan]

Damn! I didn't realize how all out DePaul is going for a new coach. Thier budget is 1M per year and they will go over that depending on the coach. Man, they have to get this right to get the program on the right track.

 

1M per year isn't that big of a budget unless they're talking strictly base.

 

Sure, but it's far more then I thought Depaul would be willing to pay.

 

If they ever want to compete again, they pretty much have to. That's gotta be one of the 5 worst jobs in the Big 6 conferences.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Selby to UK seems like a stretch since he never took his official visit there.

He did earlier this month.

[Exile on Waveland]

I stand by it: Elston > Watford.

 

Interesting. I like Elston, but I definitely see Watford as the better player both now and in terms of potential. I think the only advantage Elston has over Watford is range.

 

ETA: Elston is also stronger right now, but I expect Watford to bulk up.

 

Elston is way, WAY more athletic than Watford. He's quicker and much springier off the floor. Elston was, however, completely lost on defense this year and methinks he may not be terribly bright (or at least not yet much of a basketball mind). I think the main difference between the two was playing time/opportunity, which I believe Elston's lack of minutes to have been a grievous error on Crean's part. Elston was more effective while on the court than Watford (and arguably moreso than anyone not named Maurice Creek). Pomeroy's advanced stats comport with this opinion: offensive rating (98.0-92.3), effective field goal percentage (50.0-39.8), true shot percentage (52.4-47.7), offensive rebound percentage (13.1-7.7), defensive rebound percentage (18.2-16.5), block percentage (2.8-2.3), and steal percentage (2.6-1.1). (To say nothing of Watford leading the history of the world in getting his shot blocked.) Elston's athleticism -- coupled with a very minimal distinction in skill level, if at all, between the two -- give him the higher upside, and he was actually the more productive player when on the court this year.

[TheVolCub08]

If he wants a shot at a title in his one and done college career, I think UT offers a better chance next season.

 

What?

 

No.

 

Wrong.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Is Marc Maggard a credible source? He seems to think if Iowa offers Forbes that Iowa would immediately move toward the top of Selby's favorites and that Negedu would look to find a home there as well as he believes UT will not clear him to play.

[SouthSideRyan]

If he wants a shot at a title in his one and done college career, I think UT offers a better chance next season.

 

What?

 

No.

 

Wrong.

 

I think losing 3 starters is a great way to go from 6 seed to title contender.

[CubColtPacer]

I stand by it: Elston > Watford.

 

Interesting. I like Elston, but I definitely see Watford as the better player both now and in terms of potential. I think the only advantage Elston has over Watford is range.

 

ETA: Elston is also stronger right now, but I expect Watford to bulk up.

 

Elston is way, WAY more athletic than Watford. He's quicker and much springier off the floor. Elston was, however, completely lost on defense this year and methinks he may not be terribly bright (or at least not yet much of a basketball mind). I think the main difference between the two was playing time/opportunity, which I believe Elston's lack of minutes to have been a grievous error on Crean's part. Elston was more effective while on the court than Watford (and arguably moreso than anyone not named Maurice Creek). Pomeroy's advanced stats comport with this opinion: offensive rating (98.0-92.3), effective field goal percentage (50.0-39.8), true shot percentage (52.4-47.7), offensive rebound percentage (13.1-7.7), defensive rebound percentage (18.2-16.5), block percentage (2.8-2.3), and steal percentage (2.6-1.1). (To say nothing of Watford leading the history of the world in getting his shot blocked.) Elston's athleticism -- coupled with a very minimal distinction in skill level, if at all, between the two -- give him the higher upside, and he was actually the more productive player when on the court this year.

 

I would definitely agree that Elston was more effective on the court than Watford this year. But I would say that that was due to how they were used and how they were looked at. Elston is a slightly undersized power forward while Watford is a big small forward. But Watford had to play a lot of power foward this year while Elston rarely ever was forced to play small forward. Also, Watford was seen as one of the big scorers on the court so the team passed it down to him a lot (especially in the middle of the year) when the shot clock was going down and asked him to create tough shots.

 

I like Watford a lot better for a few reasons. One is that he can defend on the court while I don't think Elston ever will be able to. Elston is too small to defend most big men and will get beat off the dribble by wing players. Watford can guard many of those wing players right now and might be able to get stronger to guard those in the post. Second, Watford has much more of a post up game than Elston and I believe that's a tough thing to teach a player. Watford is also an asset on the free throw line which is a big thing when talking about players his size who will probably never be strong enough to finish a ton of plays but will get fouled a lot. Elston did have a strong end of the year at the line but is still unknown on what he can do there. Watford is also better at shooting contested shots than Elston is.

 

The only advantages I can give Elston are 3 point shooting, straight line explosion (Elston is definitely quicker but Watford is much more fluid moving his feet), and Elston showed a good awareness of how to time offensive rebounds.

 

Elston should have gotten more minutes this year and is an asset but I can't see his upside being anywhere near Watford's. Elston is never going to be one of the top two offensive options on the court. He's likely always going to be a stretch the court/energy guy. Watford can be an excellent second scorer on a team while also picking up a good amount of rebounds.

[snoodmonger]

Is Marc Maggard a credible source? He seems to think if Iowa offers Forbes that Iowa would immediately move toward the top of Selby's favorites and that Negedu would look to find a home there as well as he believes UT will not clear him to play.

 

 

No, marc maggard is a joke. Doesn't mean he's wrong, but he's not very credible.

 

And no, Selby never visited UK. He was supposed to early this month but never made it. After missing his visit, he annouonced he would make his decision at the Jordan game. Per Scout:

 

The only school that we haven't been to that is on our list is Kentucky," Witherspoon said. "So that will probably be something we need to work out."

 

At this point a visit has not been set up and isn't something that will definitely happen.

 

"It's a possibility," she said about visiting Kentucky. "I'm not sure how much of a strong possibility it is, but it's a possibility."

[UMFan83]

Damn! I didn't realize how all out DePaul is going for a new coach. Thier budget is 1M per year and they will go over that depending on the coach. Man, they have to get this right to get the program on the right track.

 

1M per year isn't that big of a budget unless they're talking strictly base.

 

Sure, but it's far more then I thought Depaul would be willing to pay.

 

If they ever want to compete again, they pretty much have to. That's gotta be one of the 5 worst jobs in the Big 6 conferences.

 

It probably is, but I think it has a lot more upside then probably a lot of Big 6 conference schools. It has a lot going for it (history and location are the 2 biggest), but it also has a lot of shortfalls, almost all of which could be corrected (lack of arena, apathetic athletic department, recent tradition, budget).

 

My biggest worry, is that all those throwing out big dollar figures and talks about a new arena is all just talk to appease the DePaul fans. If DePaul decided on another somewhat reputable mid major coach going through a few hard seasons that immediately looks overmatched for the Big East, DePaul basketball could still get much much lower than it is right now. Fans would riot.

 

But by throwing all this crap around about how they are going to spend big bucks on a coach, and how they are looking into building an arena near campus, probably the 2 biggest hot button issues depaul fans have, they will at least appease the fans enough so that when they hire someone that is not a big named coach, the fans won't be as angry. But who knows for certain. I don't buy this arena talk one bit thought. A little too convenient timing IMO.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

And no, Selby never visited UK. He was supposed to early this month but never made it. After missing his visit, he annouonced he would make his decision at the Jordan game. Per Scout:

 

The only school that we haven't been to that is on our list is Kentucky," Witherspoon said. "So that will probably be something we need to work out."

 

At this point a visit has not been set up and isn't something that will definitely happen.

 

"It's a possibility," she said about visiting Kentucky. "I'm not sure how much of a strong possibility it is, but it's a possibility."

Interesting. I hadn't seen that he didn't visit. I'd still put them ahead of UT.

[snoodmonger]

And no, Selby never visited UK. He was supposed to early this month but never made it. After missing his visit, he annouonced he would make his decision at the Jordan game. Per Scout:

 

The only school that we haven't been to that is on our list is Kentucky," Witherspoon said. "So that will probably be something we need to work out."

 

At this point a visit has not been set up and isn't something that will definitely happen.

 

"It's a possibility," she said about visiting Kentucky. "I'm not sure how much of a strong possibility it is, but it's a possibility."

Interesting. I hadn't seen that he didn't visit. I'd still put them ahead of UT.

 

I've been researching this UT talk. They might be a bigger player right now than I thought.

[dew1679666265]

And no, Selby never visited UK. He was supposed to early this month but never made it. After missing his visit, he annouonced he would make his decision at the Jordan game. Per Scout:

 

The only school that we haven't been to that is on our list is Kentucky," Witherspoon said. "So that will probably be something we need to work out."

 

At this point a visit has not been set up and isn't something that will definitely happen.

 

"It's a possibility," she said about visiting Kentucky. "I'm not sure how much of a strong possibility it is, but it's a possibility."

Interesting. I hadn't seen that he didn't visit. I'd still put them ahead of UT.

 

I've been researching this UT talk. They might be a bigger player right now than I thought.

 

Bruce apparently left practice before either an SEC or NCAA tournament game to go try to recruit Selby. I don't know what Selby is going to decide, but I'd have to think Bruce feels like he's got a realistic chance to leave practice to recruit him.

[Exile on Waveland]

Long, insightful post.

 

I don't really disagree with much your assessment. Elston is poor defensively (I think "lost" is an even more descriptive term) and didn't shoot well from the line whereas Watford was excellent there (I think Elston likely will shoot better in the future, but that's speculative). You did, however, leave out jumping ability in Elston's advantages, which is a clear advantage.

 

I think the main discrepancy isn't our opinion of Elston, but our opinion of Watford. I think he's more of a tweener than even Elston. I am dubious that Watford can gain enough weight/strength to be an effective four, and I'm even more dubious he'll ever be quick enough to guard (or penetrate) against threes. I'm also not terribly fond of what I consider a very bulky jumpshot. I know I'm in the minority opinion on this -- he was Big Ten Freshman of the Year and all -- but I look at Watford's game and how he's considered a great hope for the program and, honestly, I shudder a bit.