NCAA Conference Realignment

[CubbieBum]

Is academics a problem? I wasn't aware ND's academics weren't good enough for the Big Ten.

 

If anything would be a problem I'd expect ND's Catholic affiliation would be.

 

The academic problem would be in the going to 14 or 16 teams scenario. Obviously ND isn't a problem academically.

[Andy]

Is academics a problem? I wasn't aware ND's academics weren't good enough for the Big Ten.

 

If anything would be a problem I'd expect ND's Catholic affiliation would be.

 

The academic problem would be in the going to 14 or 16 teams scenario. Obviously ND isn't a problem academically.

I really hope ND doesn't join. I don't expect they would unless we get the 'seismic change' Swarbrick referred to, but it would be poetically cruel for ND to join the conference whose blacklisting of them led to them becoming what they became.

[CubbieBum]

Is academics a problem? I wasn't aware ND's academics weren't good enough for the Big Ten.

 

If anything would be a problem I'd expect ND's Catholic affiliation would be.

 

The academic problem would be in the going to 14 or 16 teams scenario. Obviously ND isn't a problem academically.

I really hope ND doesn't join. I don't expect they would unless we get the 'seismic change' Swarbrick referred to, but it would be poetically cruel for ND to join the conference whose blacklisting of them led to them becoming what they became.

 

A craptastic school who is living off of former glory?

 

The fact that Delany a Swarbrick have both mentioned a move that would have a huge effect makes me think the Big Ten is actually looking into adding more than one school. That's not to say it is likely to happen, Just that the Big Ten is at least considering it. Prior to this article I had never thought of it.

[Outshined_One]

So, if this scenario were to happen, at what point would the BCS drop the Big East from bowl eligibility?

[Andy]

Is academics a problem? I wasn't aware ND's academics weren't good enough for the Big Ten.

 

If anything would be a problem I'd expect ND's Catholic affiliation would be.

 

The academic problem would be in the going to 14 or 16 teams scenario. Obviously ND isn't a problem academically.

I really hope ND doesn't join. I don't expect they would unless we get the 'seismic change' Swarbrick referred to, but it would be poetically cruel for ND to join the conference whose blacklisting of them led to them becoming what they became.

 

A craptastic school who is living off of former glory?

At least my craptastic school had some glory to begin with.

[TruffleShuffle]

second best team in big ten history is nothing to sneeze at pal

[CubbieBum]

second best team in big ten history is nothing to sneeze at pal

 

football is not basketball

 

If you are going to make a joke at least make them when they are relevant.

[CubbieBum]

So, if this scenario were to happen, at what point would the BCS drop the Big East from bowl eligibility?

 

I believe the article says that the Big East would not have enough teams to be considered a conference in football so the decision would be made by default.

[Rusch33]

I'm pretty sure that Andy Katz in a twitter post a month or two ago said he heard that instead of 12 teams, the Big 10 was trying to go 16 teams.

 

I'm not going to look through his 2000 tweets to find it, but it's there somewhere.

[chuckywang]

I'm pretty sure that Andy Katz in a twitter post a month or two ago said he heard that instead of 12 teams, the Big 10 was trying to go 16 teams.

 

I'm not going to look through his 2000 tweets to find it, but it's there somewhere.

 

They might have to steal some Big East schools in order to do that. Cinci, ND, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and .... ?

[hawkeyecub]

I'm good with expansion and I want Notre Dame in the Big Ten. I hate the idea of a 16 team conference.

[Exile on Waveland]

Is academics a problem? I wasn't aware ND's academics weren't good enough for the Big Ten.

 

First, let me say (i) Notre Dame's academics are very good; and (ii) in no way do I think the Big Ten would decline Notre Dame. However, Notre Dame isn't necessarily the best academic fit. They're not a big research university from my understanding. They're not a member of the Association of American Universities. I don't see either being a roadblock -- I think the Big Ten would LOVE to add Notre Dame -- but the academics aren't as natural of a fit as one might expect.

[NewUserName]

I'm good with expansion and I want Notre Dame in the Big Ten. I hate the idea of a 16 team conference.

 

I agree

[CubbieBum]

I'm pretty sure that Andy Katz in a twitter post a month or two ago said he heard that instead of 12 teams, the Big 10 was trying to go 16 teams.

 

I'm not going to look through his 2000 tweets to find it, but it's there somewhere.

 

They might have to steal some Big East schools in order to do that. Cinci, ND, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and .... ?

 

The article mentions UCONN, Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers with perhaps replacing Rutgers with Missouri.

[chuckywang]

I'm pretty sure that Andy Katz in a twitter post a month or two ago said he heard that instead of 12 teams, the Big 10 was trying to go 16 teams.

 

I'm not going to look through his 2000 tweets to find it, but it's there somewhere.

 

They might have to steal some Big East schools in order to do that. Cinci, ND, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and .... ?

 

The article mentions UCONN, Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers with perhaps replacing Rutgers with Missouri.

 

Wow, they're going to cause the Big East to be a non-football conference.

[CubbieBum]

I'm pretty sure that Andy Katz in a twitter post a month or two ago said he heard that instead of 12 teams, the Big 10 was trying to go 16 teams.

 

I'm not going to look through his 2000 tweets to find it, but it's there somewhere.

 

They might have to steal some Big East schools in order to do that. Cinci, ND, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and .... ?

 

The article mentions UCONN, Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers with perhaps replacing Rutgers with Missouri.

 

Wow, they're going to cause the Big East to be a non-football conference.

 

If it were to happen but that I think is still highly doubtful. I would venture a guess and say Rutgers is not in consideration because they just don't really bring much to the table. I would much rather bring in Missouri who is good at most of the big sports and would actually be able to have some rivals. Rutgers would be another Northwestern in my mind. Could be wrong about that but they just seem like a school where no one cares about them athletically.

[jersey cubs fan]

If it were to happen but that I think is still highly doubtful. I would venture a guess and say Rutgers is not in consideration because they just don't really bring much to the table. I would much rather bring in Missouri who is good at most of the big sports and would actually be able to have some rivals. Rutgers would be another Northwestern in my mind. Could be wrong about that but they just seem like a school where no one cares about them athletically.

 

I think Rutgers would be proud to be compared to Northwestern. A couple years ago people started to really care about Rutgers football. It was a very hot ticket. In NYC, college sports are strange, Syracuse has the most upside for support, but St. John's basketball and Rutgers football are the two best candidates for that attention. Strangely, Big Ten football probably has the most overall interest. Rutgers could very easily have a strong rivalry with Penn State. Anywhere you go in northern NJ you will see PSU and Rutgers alums, followed maybe by West Virginia, and then Michigan. Given Iowa's track record of recruiting in NJ, and PSU's roster being filled with NJ students, I think there could easily be a budding rivalry. I'd definitely go to games.

[Magnetic Curses]

that's some athletic caring right there.

[jersey cubs fan]

that's some athletic caring right there.

 

It definitely does not compare to a Big Ten school in that regard, but the seeds are there. I know some alums and they love going to games and are big into it, but NYC in general is a pro sports town; it's all Yankees, Mets, Giants, Jets, Knicks and Rangers with the others also drawing interest. I'd say Rutgers fandom is bigger than Nets fandom though, and along the lines of the Devils. Moderately sized but quite passionate. It's tough when your conference has been made over and rivals have been spread out among various teams. And schools like Louisville, UConn, Cincy and Pitt have no cache here. Have them play PSU, OSU and Michigan on a regular basis and the interest will rise.

[Exile on Waveland]

that's some athletic caring right there.

 

It definitely does not compare to a Big Ten school in that regard, but the seeds are there. I know some alums and they love going to games and are big into it, but NYC in general is a pro sports town; it's all Yankees, Mets, Giants, Jets, Knicks and Rangers with the others also drawing interest. I'd say Rutgers fandom is bigger than Nets fandom though, and along the lines of the Devils. Moderately sized but quite passionate. It's tough when your conference has been made over and rivals have been spread out among various teams. And schools like Louisville, UConn, Cincy and Pitt have no cache here. Have them play PSU, OSU and Michigan on a regular basis and the interest will rise.

 

UConn doesn't? You know better than I, just surprising to me.

[jersey cubs fan]

that's some athletic caring right there.

 

It definitely does not compare to a Big Ten school in that regard, but the seeds are there. I know some alums and they love going to games and are big into it, but NYC in general is a pro sports town; it's all Yankees, Mets, Giants, Jets, Knicks and Rangers with the others also drawing interest. I'd say Rutgers fandom is bigger than Nets fandom though, and along the lines of the Devils. Moderately sized but quite passionate. It's tough when your conference has been made over and rivals have been spread out among various teams. And schools like Louisville, UConn, Cincy and Pitt have no cache here. Have them play PSU, OSU and Michigan on a regular basis and the interest will rise.

 

UConn doesn't? You know better than I, just surprising to me.

 

It was a DII program a decade ago. I know of nobody who cares about its football team and have never heard any discussion about the program. There is NYC area interest in the basketball teams, but not all that much.

[Exile on Waveland]

Yeah, not football; but I was thinking the basketball team might have some support.

[dew1679666265]

Wow, they're going to cause the Big East to be a non-football conference.

 

The Big East could always add teams as well. Memphis has been looking for a larger conference to join and its basketball program would make it enticing. ECU is another school that could be considered and most any Florida school could be a possibility as well (lower conference, that is). I don't know if it'd retain BCS status, but there are schools it could add to keep football.

[SouthSideRyan]

They would definitely lose BCS status adding those schools

[CubbieBum]

Wow, they're going to cause the Big East to be a non-football conference.

 

The Big East could always add teams as well. Memphis has been looking for a larger conference to join and its basketball program would make it enticing. ECU is another school that could be considered and most any Florida school could be a possibility as well (lower conference, that is). I don't know if it'd retain BCS status, but there are schools it could add to keep football.

 

The shake up it would cause would be very interesting. If they take a couple Big East teams along with 1 or 2 Big XII teams and Notre Dame everything could change. The SEC would probably stay the same but every other major conference could change with the Pac-10 taking some of the Big XII schools and the rest of the Big XII and Big East combining into one conference. Basically you would see big conference add to the number of schools in the conference and the number of BCS conferences go down by one.

 

Going down to 5 BCS conferences isn't necessarily a bad thing for the BCS people either. It would open the door to more non-BCS schools getting a big bowl game and thus quiet the call for a playoff a bit. A playoff is still inevitable in my mind but this could delay it a couple of years.