Notre Dame Fires Weis, Hires Brian Kelly

[dew1679666265]

wow, my bad. yeah, sorry andy, let me apologize real quick. Notre dame is a lot like the FIFTH best team in the SEC. Glad that's cleared up.

For God's sake, quit trolling.

 

you're the one that made the comparison, andrew, not me.

I also put Bama in there, who is considered a huge brand in college football, but you ignored that and went for the one that would rile people up. Like I should've been surprised.

 

Bama is about to win a national title and they went to a BCS game last year, no comparison to ND

 

Bama's been decent to terrible since at least the Gene Stallings era.

[imb]

In the midst of this, I don't think it was mentioned that Kelly is interviewing tomorrow in NYC, where he is for some sort of function.

ND fans are quite delusional if you and GR are representative samples, and I think you are. However, if they get Kelly they will be getting a very good coach. He's a pretty good defensive guy, the trick is getting the kids. I think you and the rest of the ND fans will be happy with him.

 

I don't think ND will every be considered a top program on a consistent basis ever again unless they join a conference. We all know how the Domers feel about that.

 

Pride. WE ARE ND!

Miami won like 100 titles in the 1980s immediately before joining a conference. Florida State was consistently top 5 before joining a conference. Penn State won for a billion years before joining a conference.

 

Pretending conference membership cures an ill is a ridiculous opinion.

 

It's not the 80s anymore Andy, though I can understand why ND fans wish it was.

 

Seriously though, the college football landscape is worlds apart from what it was in the 80s, that was an idiotic post.

[SouthSideRyan]

In the midst of this, I don't think it was mentioned that Kelly is interviewing tomorrow in NYC, where he is for some sort of function.

ND fans are quite delusional if you and GR are representative samples, and I think you are. However, if they get Kelly they will be getting a very good coach. He's a pretty good defensive guy, the trick is getting the kids. I think you and the rest of the ND fans will be happy with him.

 

I don't think ND will every be considered a top program on a consistent basis ever again unless they join a conference. We all know how the Domers feel about that.

 

Pride. WE ARE ND!

 

Why in the [expletive] would Notre Dame have to join a conference to be a consistent top program. That makes no sense.

[Andy]

Bama's been decent to terrible since at least the Gene Stallings era.

And Oklahoma was garbage for a while before Stoops got there. Miami and Florida were both pretty nondescript for a while there - hell, Miami still kind of is, though they appear on the way back up. It's not hard to figure out the common denominator.

[Andy]

Apart from more parity, I fail to see what makes the "college football landscape" (my favorite vague phrase people throw out when they have no concrete evidence of anything) any different than it was when PSU and FSU joined a conference, which, BTW, was in the early to mid 90s, not the 80s.

[jersey cubs fan]

Bama's been decent to terrible since at least the Gene Stallings era.

And Oklahoma was garbage for a while before Stoops got there. Miami and Florida were both pretty nondescript for a while there - hell, Miami still kind of is, though they appear on the way back up. It's not hard to figure out the common denominator.

 

The ability to get any athlete they want.

[imb]

Apart from more parity, I fail to see what makes the "college football landscape" (my favorite vague phrase people throw out when they have no concrete evidence of anything) any different than it was when PSU and FSU joined a conference, which, BTW, was in the early to mid 90s, not the 80s.

 

apart from parity? That's like saying, apart from ending segregation, i fail to see what's different about the world as opposed to the 1920s.

[Andy]

Bama's been decent to terrible since at least the Gene Stallings era.

And Oklahoma was garbage for a while before Stoops got there. Miami and Florida were both pretty nondescript for a while there - hell, Miami still kind of is, though they appear on the way back up. It's not hard to figure out the common denominator.

 

The ability to get any athlete they want.

Are you privy to some sort of information that suggests these teams couldn't get any athlete they wanted during the Blake era at OU, the Stallings era at Bama, the Coker era at Miami or the Zooker era at Florida?

[OleMissCub]

Is it true that Notre Dame doesn't redshirt players? They should change that. Surely that has to hurt the program.

[Andy]

Is it true that Notre Dame doesn't redshirt players? They should change that. Surely that has to hurt the program.

Technically they don't, but players can apply for fifth years if they fill redshirt criteria, and they pretty much always get them.

[dew1679666265]

Bama's been decent to terrible since at least the Gene Stallings era.

And Oklahoma was garbage for a while before Stoops got there. Miami and Florida were both pretty nondescript for a while there - hell, Miami still kind of is, though they appear on the way back up. It's not hard to figure out the common denominator.

 

The ability to get any athlete they want.

Are you privy to some sort of information that suggests these teams couldn't get any athlete they wanted during the Blake era at OU, the Stallings era at Bama, the Coker era at Miami or the Zooker era at Florida?

 

Bama was successful during the Stallings era, but not so much in between him and Saban. That was Dubose, Franchione and Shula.

[Andy]

Bama's been decent to terrible since at least the Gene Stallings era.

And Oklahoma was garbage for a while before Stoops got there. Miami and Florida were both pretty nondescript for a while there - hell, Miami still kind of is, though they appear on the way back up. It's not hard to figure out the common denominator.

 

The ability to get any athlete they want.

Are you privy to some sort of information that suggests these teams couldn't get any athlete they wanted during the Blake era at OU, the Stallings era at Bama, the Coker era at Miami or the Zooker era at Florida?

 

Bama was successful during the Stallings era, but not so much in between him and Saban. That was Dubose, Franchione and Shula.

Right. My mistake, that's the era I meant.

[jersey cubs fan]

Apart from more parity, I fail to see what makes the "college football landscape" (my favorite vague phrase people throw out when they have no concrete evidence of anything) any different than it was when PSU and FSU joined a conference, which, BTW, was in the early to mid 90s, not the 80s.

 

Parity is a big deal, and encompasses many things. ND's television contract with the worst network sports department is antiquated. Every kid can be promised loads of exposure going to all kinds of schools. Back then ND was a legitimate power, but nearly two decades of mediocrity has left them an afterthought to many. They still get exposure for the same reason people still talk about Mickey Mantle, because it's what the baby boomers grew up on and know and the baby boomers still make decisions. But ND just doesn't resonate to the young football playing public like it did back then.

[Andy]

Apart from more parity, I fail to see what makes the "college football landscape" (my favorite vague phrase people throw out when they have no concrete evidence of anything) any different than it was when PSU and FSU joined a conference, which, BTW, was in the early to mid 90s, not the 80s.

 

Parity is a big deal, and encompasses many things. ND's television contract with the worst network sports department is antiquated. Every kid can be promised loads of exposure going to all kinds of schools. Back then ND was a legitimate power, but nearly two decades of mediocrity has left them an afterthought to many. They still get exposure for the same reason people still talk about Mickey Mantle, because it's what the baby boomers grew up on and know and the baby boomers still make decisions. But ND just doesn't resonate to the young football playing public like it did back then.

No arguments on the NBC deal. It's amazing that CBS slurps the crap out of Tebow all year long and yet NBC didn't hardly seem to notice, even when he was a candidate for the Heisman, that Clausen was good. The broadcasters are the worst there are on network TV.

 

Things are obviously different with tighter scholarship limits, different styles of offense that can elevate a team beyond its talent level, and more media exposure for college football as a whole, which is why a run of excellence like ND had in the 60s and 70s, or even their mini-run from 88-93 with Holtz, are probably no longer possible. But like I said, ND can still be an Oklahoma or Florida type with consistent BCS appearances and the occasional title run. It just takes a coach willing to go for it. Charlie worked hard enough, but he wasn't cut out for the job, so now ND has to try again.

Edited December 7, 2009 by Andy

[SpongeWorthy]

Even if the ND brand doesn't resonate like it used to, the potential to get talent isn't even close to one of the biggest problems with the program. Weis got talent. It just didn't develop.

[dew1679666265]

Even if the ND brand doesn't resonate like it used to, the potential to get talent isn't even close to one of the biggest problems with the program. Weis got talent. It just didn't develop.

 

Right. Weis showed you can still bring the talent into ND. It's just a matter of finding the coach who can both bring in the talent and develop it.

[Andy]

Kelly just Tweeted that he will listen to what ND has to say. Pete Thamel of the NY Times says Harbaugh will also meet with ND in NYC, for what that's worth.

[SpongeWorthy]

Although I will say, in a totally subjective way, that ND's players don't "pop" on the TV screen athletically like you see from Bama, Texas, Florida, SC, etc. Maybe it's the stupidly tall grass or something. Weis got highly ranked classes but I wonder if he had to settle for lesser athletes and more cerebral types or whatever. Although they didn't look very cerebral a lot of the time too.

 

I'm just going to guess that since Weis couldn't teach fundamentals very well that the players just play slower than good teams.

[Wilson A2000]

Even if the ND brand doesn't resonate like it used to, the potential to get talent isn't even close to one of the biggest problems with the program. Weis got talent. It just didn't develop.

 

Did he get defensive talent?

[SpongeWorthy]

Even if the ND brand doesn't resonate like it used to, the potential to get talent isn't even close to one of the biggest problems with the program. Weis got talent. It just didn't develop.

 

Did he get defensive talent?

 

Manti Te'o and uh...

 

Well maybe not great defensive talent but without looking through the rankings I'm pretty sure their defensive performance wasn't commensurate with the talent they did get.

[shnsajax]

Even if the ND brand doesn't resonate like it used to, the potential to get talent isn't even close to one of the biggest problems with the program. Weis got talent. It just didn't develop.

 

Did he get defensive talent?

 

Its only been 1 year but he got Manti T'eo last year, and I think he beat out USC for him no signing day. For a school that produces LB like crazy that was a pretty big get I had thought at the time.

[Tracer Bullet]

Is it true that Notre Dame doesn't redshirt players? They should change that. Surely that has to hurt the program.

Technically they don't, but players can apply for fifth years if they fill redshirt criteria, and they pretty much always get them.

 

another significant difference - you have to take grad classes while you're playing your 5th year. you can't have football and ballroom dancing be the only 2 classes on your schedule.

[dougdescenzo]

Maybe it's the stupidly tall grass or something

 

Their grass is normal height

 

Did he get defensive talent?

 

3 4* defensive players verbally committed to this class

1 5* 2 4* last year

1 5* 8 4* in 2008 class

 

The problem was the coaching.

[Tracer Bullet]

Kelly just Tweeted that he will listen to what ND has to say. Pete Thamel of the NY Times says Harbaugh will also meet with ND in NYC, for what that's worth.

 

don't believe everything that you read.

[Andy]

Kelly just Tweeted that he will listen to what ND has to say. Pete Thamel of the NY Times says Harbaugh will also meet with ND in NYC, for what that's worth.

 

don't believe everything that you read.

I know. Just passing on the message.