Notre Dame Fires Weis, Hires Brian Kelly

[imb]

Georgia: 1

Penn State: 1

Alabama: 1

Michigan: 1

Tennessee: 1

Texas: 1

 

Teams that haven't been to a BCS game since at least 2006 (last time ND went):

Florida State

Michigan

Tennessee

Georgia

Miami

Pittsburgh

 

Lol, Pittsburgh? Georgia? These are some real heavy hitters. Comparing ND to Michigan is pretty funny, considering how hard Michigan fell off the map.

[dew1679666265]

Notre Dame can win again. Weis did it with Willingham's kids. Why couldn't a new coach do it? I think they just have incredibly high expectations.

 

Weis was pulling in good talent throughout at least some of his tenure, but they weren't developing it seems. If they make a good hire – it doesn't have to be a big name, just a good football coach – then they can be good again.

 

The key is to give the coach time to make it work.

[Tracer Bullet]

Fitz dislikes Notre Dame so much that an opportunity to tackle the leprechaun might be the only reason he'd ever go back to South Bend.

 

He's also not on the list of candidates, so denying interest is self-serving.

[Andy]

Jeez Andy. You spend 2 posts saying you're not going to argue with him and 10 posts arguing with him.

 

imb lives in Oklahoma. This is as good as it gets.

Meh. Other people got involved. It's just so easy to refute the point.

[imb]

you compared notre dame to georgia, who is about 7th in the SEC pecking order and has been mediocre since herschel walker stopped doing hgh. if this is considering refuting the point, you may need to try harder.

[Tracer Bullet]

Notre Dame can win again. Weis did it with Willingham's kids. Why couldn't a new coach do it? I think they just have incredibly high expectations.

 

Weis was pulling in good talent throughout at least some of his tenure, but they weren't developing it seems. If they make a good hire – it doesn't have to be a big name, just a good football coach – then they can be good again.

 

The key is to give the coach time to make it work.

 

no, the key is to hire a good coach. Give the wrong coach more time (like Willingham) and the program suffers.

 

Having a good AD in place is a great first step. Davie wasn't a good plan. Willingham was a disaster. And once Willingham tanked recruiting, no one wanted the job (everyone could see what 2007 was going to be). So the AD, who didn't want to fire Willingham, had done no prep work to find a replacement. So when the President had to effectively fire the coach and tried to land Meyer at the last minute, the AD was caught with no backup. Weis took the job no one wanted, knowing what he was getting himself into.

 

Weis has probably proven that he's not a great college coach (hard to say, he's been fighting in the media for his job since the 3rd year, which makes ND a tough sell and makes it difficult to coach kids). But he's also proven to be a great NFL offensive coordinator. But he worked tirelessly at ND and recruited great kids. There isn't a disaster waiting 2 years down the road for the next guy. You hire a good college coach that can develop 18-22 year olds and will work at recruiting and it'll be done.

[dew1679666265]

you compared notre dame to georgia, who is about 7th in the SEC pecking order and has been mediocre since herschel walker stopped doing hgh. if this is considering refuting the point, you may need to try harder.

 

7th? Tennessee, Florida, LSU, Auburn and Alabama are the only ones ahead, I think. And Auburn is very, very debatable.

[Andy]

In the midst of this, I don't think it was mentioned that Kelly is interviewing tomorrow in NYC, where he is for some sort of function.

[dew1679666265]

no, the key is to hire a good coach. Give the wrong coach more time (like Willingham) and the program suffers.

 

Having a good AD in place is a great first step. Davie wasn't a good plan. Willingham was a disaster. And once Willingham tanked recruiting, no one wanted the job (everyone could see what 2007 was going to be). So the AD, who didn't want to fire Willingham, had done no prep work to find a replacement. So when the President had to effectively fire the coach and tried to land Meyer at the last minute, the AD was caught with no backup. Weis took the job no one wanted, knowing what he was getting himself into.

 

Weis has probably proven that he's not a great college coach (hard to say, he's been fighting in the media for his job since the 3rd year, which makes ND a tough sell and makes it difficult to coach kids). But he's also proven to be a great NFL offensive coordinator. But he worked tirelessly at ND and recruited great kids. There isn't a disaster waiting 2 years down the road for the next guy. You hire a good college coach that can develop 18-22 year olds and will work at recruiting and it'll be done.

 

I agree that the key is getting a good football coach, that's what I originally said. That coach has to be given the time, though. That's not a comment that the recent guys weren't given enough time at ND, just that programs with high expectations (like ND and others like UT, OU, etc) tend to get a bit impatient. Even a good coach might take a couple to three years to get his players in and start having success.

[SouthSideRyan]

Fitz dislikes Notre Dame so much that an opportunity to tackle the leprechaun might be the only reason he'd ever go back to South Bend.

 

He's also not on the list of candidates, so denying interest is self-serving.

 

Tom Crean is not interested in the position either.

[Exile on Waveland]

you compared notre dame to georgia, who is about 7th in the SEC pecking order and has been mediocre since herschel walker stopped doing hgh. if this is considering refuting the point, you may need to try harder.

 

7th? Tennessee, Florida, LSU, Auburn and Alabama are the only ones ahead, I think. And Auburn is very, very debatable.

 

Yeah, Georgia's better than seventh. I'd rank them fifth, probably.

[imb]

wow, my bad. yeah, sorry andy, let me apologize real quick. Notre dame is a lot like the FIFTH best team in the SEC. Glad that's cleared up.

[Andy]

wow, my bad. yeah, sorry andy, let me apologize real quick. Notre dame is a lot like the FIFTH best team in the SEC. Glad that's cleared up.

For God's sake, quit trolling.

[OleMissCub]

you compared notre dame to georgia, who is about 7th in the SEC pecking order and has been mediocre since herschel walker stopped doing hgh. if this is considering refuting the point, you may need to try harder.

 

7th? Tennessee, Florida, LSU, Auburn and Alabama are the only ones ahead, I think. And Auburn is very, very debatable.

 

Last two years:

 

Georgia - 17 wins

Ole Miss - 17 wins

Auburn - 12 wins

Tennessee - 12 wins

[dew1679666265]

wow, my bad. yeah, sorry andy, let me apologize real quick. Notre dame is a lot like the FIFTH best team in the SEC. Glad that's cleared up.

 

Georgia's probably as high as 3rd or 4th since 2002. In that time period you can drop UT and Alabama below the Bulldogs.

[Guest]

In the midst of this, I don't think it was mentioned that Kelly is interviewing tomorrow in NYC, where he is for some sort of function.

ND fans are quite delusional if you and GR are representative samples, and I think you are. However, if they get Kelly they will be getting a very good coach. He's a pretty good defensive guy, the trick is getting the kids. I think you and the rest of the ND fans will be happy with him.

 

I don't think ND will every be considered a top program on a consistent basis ever again unless they join a conference. We all know how the Domers feel about that.

 

Pride. WE ARE ND!

[imb]

wow, my bad. yeah, sorry andy, let me apologize real quick. Notre dame is a lot like the FIFTH best team in the SEC. Glad that's cleared up.

For God's sake, quit trolling.

 

you're the one that made the comparison, andrew, not me.

[dew1679666265]

you compared notre dame to georgia, who is about 7th in the SEC pecking order and has been mediocre since herschel walker stopped doing hgh. if this is considering refuting the point, you may need to try harder.

 

7th? Tennessee, Florida, LSU, Auburn and Alabama are the only ones ahead, I think. And Auburn is very, very debatable.

 

Last two years:

 

Georgia - 17 wins

Ole Miss - 17 wins

Auburn - 12 wins

Tennessee - 12 wins

 

He mentioned Herschel Walker so with that I was thinking back as far as the 90s or so. I just made a post mentining Georgia is probably higher than that if you only look at 2002 and onward. If you look at the past couple of years, Tennessee's probably 6th or 7th along with Auburn.

[Andy]

wow, my bad. yeah, sorry andy, let me apologize real quick. Notre dame is a lot like the FIFTH best team in the SEC. Glad that's cleared up.

For God's sake, quit trolling.

 

you're the one that made the comparison, andrew, not me.

I also put Bama in there, who is considered a huge brand in college football, but you ignored that and went for the one that would rile people up. Like I should've been surprised.

[OleMissCub]

wow, my bad. yeah, sorry andy, let me apologize real quick. Notre dame is a lot like the FIFTH best team in the SEC. Glad that's cleared up.

 

Georgia's probably as high as 3rd or 4th since 2002. In that time period you can drop UT and Alabama below the Bulldogs.

 

Well how far are we gonna go back?? I think we should go back to '59-'60 when Ole Miss won back to back national titles.

[dew1679666265]

In the midst of this, I don't think it was mentioned that Kelly is interviewing tomorrow in NYC, where he is for some sort of function.

ND fans are quite delusional if you and GR are representative samples, and I think you are. However, if they get Kelly they will be getting a very good coach. He's a pretty good defensive guy, the trick is getting the kids. I think you and the rest of the ND fans will be happy with him.

 

I don't think ND will every be considered a top program on a consistent basis ever again unless they join a conference. We all know how the Domers feel about that.

 

Pride. WE ARE ND!

 

Having strong Ohio ties can only help Kelly recruit.

[imb]

wow, my bad. yeah, sorry andy, let me apologize real quick. Notre dame is a lot like the FIFTH best team in the SEC. Glad that's cleared up.

For God's sake, quit trolling.

 

you're the one that made the comparison, andrew, not me.

I also put Bama in there, who is considered a huge brand in college football, but you ignored that and went for the one that would rile people up. Like I should've been surprised.

 

Bama is about to win a national title and they went to a BCS game last year, no comparison to ND

[OleMissCub]

He mentioned Herschel Walker so with that I was thinking back as far as the 90s or so.

 

I gotcha

[Andy]

In the midst of this, I don't think it was mentioned that Kelly is interviewing tomorrow in NYC, where he is for some sort of function.

ND fans are quite delusional if you and GR are representative samples, and I think you are. However, if they get Kelly they will be getting a very good coach. He's a pretty good defensive guy, the trick is getting the kids. I think you and the rest of the ND fans will be happy with him.

 

I don't think ND will every be considered a top program on a consistent basis ever again unless they join a conference. We all know how the Domers feel about that.

 

Pride. WE ARE ND!

Miami won like 100 titles in the 1980s immediately before joining a conference. Florida State was consistently top 5 before joining a conference. Penn State won for a billion years before joining a conference.

 

Pretending conference membership cures an ill is a ridiculous opinion.

[dew1679666265]

wow, my bad. yeah, sorry andy, let me apologize real quick. Notre dame is a lot like the FIFTH best team in the SEC. Glad that's cleared up.

 

Georgia's probably as high as 3rd or 4th since 2002. In that time period you can drop UT and Alabama below the Bulldogs.

 

Well how far are we gonna go back?? I think we should go back to '59-'60 when Ole Miss won back to back national titles.

 

I went to the 90s because he brought up Herschel Walker. If you want to compile back further than that, be my guest. :)