Notre Dame Fires Weis, Hires Brian Kelly

[UMFan83]

I hear Rich Rodriguez is interested in the job*

 

 

*fake rumor that i made up to hope it somehow comes true

 

Give Rich Rod a couple more years. You'll be sorry you made this comment.

 

He might not have a couple more years if he doesn't improve the team quickly. I'm not saying national title contender, but 8-4 would be a good start.

[CDBears1259]

Has Nick Saban commented on the opening yet?

 

He's been with Alabama for a while now and has to be getting an itch to go to a new situation.

How much money does ND have to throw around after canning Weis? Saban is like a high priced call girl, he's not cheap but he can be had for the right amount.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Saban going to Notre Dame would be incredible, although if I have to pick between Bama or ND being good, I take Bama.

[CDBears1259]

Saban going to Notre Dame would be incredible, although if I have to pick between Bama or ND being good, I take Bama.

And I'd rather see Bama suck. It would be incredible, but I highly doubt it could/would happen. As an LSU alum I despise that man, but I'd take him back w/o a second thought in light of the coach we have now. If not LSU (he won't ever be there again and that's fine by me), I'd be glad to see him go to ND and turn that program around.

[RedFlash]

You guys are worse the Auburn fans.

 

I know half you talking heads are messing with me, but for those who are serious I promise you Alabama will be his last major college job of his career. And there is 0% chance that Saban takes a job in the north again. He's found a fanbase that has match his intensity. Not to mention Terry and Kristin both absolutely loves Tuscaloosa (tho I do believe when Saban retires, he will retire to Louisana) so while the messing is purely comical and these kind of "fake rumors" will happen every (at the wishful thinking of SEC rivals) year I am fully confident Saban will be a Bama for the duration of his career. So either learn to tolerate Bama, or ignore us, either way Bama isn't going away anytime soon.

 

\:D/ :D :mrgreen:

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Saban isn't even on the radar, but I doubt people are trying to mess with you redflash.

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I hear Rich Rodriguez is interested in the job*

 

 

*fake rumor that i made up to hope it somehow comes true

 

Give Rich Rod a couple more years. You'll be sorry you made this comment.

 

He might not have a couple more years if he doesn't improve the team quickly. I'm not saying national title contender, but 8-4 would be a good start.

 

think they'll improve that much next year? Take Graham and Warren off that defense and how much can it reasonably be expected to improve? Seems like it'll be at least 2011 before they're contending for a Big Ten title again, won't it?

[Soul]

I hear Rich Rodriguez is interested in the job*

 

 

*fake rumor that i made up to hope it somehow comes true

 

Give Rich Rod a couple more years. You'll be sorry you made this comment.

 

He might not have a couple more years if he doesn't improve the team quickly. I'm not saying national title contender, but 8-4 would be a good start.

 

think they'll improve that much next year? Take Graham and Warren off that defense and how much can it reasonably be expected to improve? Seems like it'll be at least 2011 before they're contending for a Big Ten title again, won't it?

 

I don't know. The Big 10 is pretty weak. Teams like Northwestern do relatively well with little or no talent.

[jersey cubs fan]

I hear Rich Rodriguez is interested in the job*

 

 

*fake rumor that i made up to hope it somehow comes true

 

Give Rich Rod a couple more years. You'll be sorry you made this comment.

 

He might not have a couple more years if he doesn't improve the team quickly. I'm not saying national title contender, but 8-4 would be a good start.

 

think they'll improve that much next year? Take Graham and Warren off that defense and how much can it reasonably be expected to improve? Seems like it'll be at least 2011 before they're contending for a Big Ten title again, won't it?

 

I don't know. The Big 10 is pretty weak. Teams like Northwestern do relatively well with little or no talent.

 

Being 8-4 and contending for a Big 10 title are 2 different things. As weak as it may be, you aren't going to win the Big 10 as a 4 loss team. You need to get through the schedule with usually no more than 1 Big 10 loss, and even that is no guarantee with Ohio State around, and both Iowa and Penn State going on the occasional run.

[cubweiser03]

Id be happy if i was nd and they got kelly. Guy has built a powerhouse D2 program, turned around/improved 2 seperate programs in short order in Central Michigan and taking over Dantonio's(who is no slouch) Bearcats producing 10 win teams there. And all that without loads of talent. Kelly came up through the defensive side of the ball at Grand Valley so its not like he is totally deficient in that department. Solid coach.

[Andy]

Patterson at TCU just signed an extension, with rumor being that Kelly is working on one. My friend in the office just joked that it's funny how no one was signing extensions last week when Notre Dame had a coach.

[Guest]

Id be happy if i was nd and they got kelly. Guy has built a powerhouse D2 program, turned around/improved 2 seperate programs in short order in Central Michigan and taking over Dantonio's(who is no slouch) Bearcats producing 10 win teams there. And all that without loads of talent. Kelly came up through the defensive side of the ball at Grand Valley so its not like he is totally deficient in that department. Solid coach.

Herbstreit said basically the same thing. If I'm ND I go after Kelly hard. He's proven he can out X and O teams at every level he's been at. Going after Kelly is kind of like what OSU did with Tressel.

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Patterson at TCU just signed an extension, with rumor being that Kelly is working on one. My friend in the office just joked that it's funny how no one was signing extensions last week when Notre Dame had a coach.

 

Patterson isn't even in the running. Coaches who aren't considered for other jobs use those jobs as leverage to sign extensions. It happens all the time.

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Id be happy if i was nd and they got kelly. Guy has built a powerhouse D2 program, turned around/improved 2 seperate programs in short order in Central Michigan and taking over Dantonio's(who is no slouch) Bearcats producing 10 win teams there. And all that without loads of talent. Kelly came up through the defensive side of the ball at Grand Valley so its not like he is totally deficient in that department. Solid coach.

 

He seems like a solid coach. But he's the fallback right now. Stoops may not take the job, but he's the first guy on the list. Since he hasn't told ND he's not interested, I'm not sure why they wouldn't press for him. Especially since OU's season is over whereas Cincy has another week. Gives ND 5 full days to quietly (or not so quietly) pursue Stoops and then turn to Kelly if Stoops ultimately says no.

[Guest]

Id be happy if i was nd and they got kelly. Guy has built a powerhouse D2 program, turned around/improved 2 seperate programs in short order in Central Michigan and taking over Dantonio's(who is no slouch) Bearcats producing 10 win teams there. And all that without loads of talent. Kelly came up through the defensive side of the ball at Grand Valley so its not like he is totally deficient in that department. Solid coach.

 

He seems like a solid coach. But he's the fallback right now. Stoops may not take the job, but he's the first guy on the list. Since he hasn't told ND he's not interested, I'm not sure why they wouldn't press for him. Especially since OU's season is over whereas Cincy has another week. Gives ND 5 full days to quietly (or not so quietly) pursue Stoops and then turn to Kelly if Stoops ultimately says no.

Then you run the risk of Kelly saying no. I think ND has to do this kind of quick. Kelly has more national championships under his belt than Stoops does and he's an easier get. If they publicly go after Stoops and he spurns them, they run the risk of further embarrassment. Why would Stoops leave OU for ND, if not for the money? It is an inferior program in every way and there is much more pressure than at OU.

 

They need to be humble for once.

[SouthSideRyan]

Id be happy if i was nd and they got kelly. Guy has built a powerhouse D2 program, turned around/improved 2 seperate programs in short order in Central Michigan and taking over Dantonio's(who is no slouch) Bearcats producing 10 win teams there. And all that without loads of talent. Kelly came up through the defensive side of the ball at Grand Valley so its not like he is totally deficient in that department. Solid coach.

 

He seems like a solid coach. But he's the fallback right now. Stoops may not take the job, but he's the first guy on the list. Since he hasn't told ND he's not interested, I'm not sure why they wouldn't press for him. Especially since OU's season is over whereas Cincy has another week. Gives ND 5 full days to quietly (or not so quietly) pursue Stoops and then turn to Kelly if Stoops ultimately says no.

Then you run the risk of Kelly saying no. I think ND has to do this kind of quick. Kelly has more national championships under his belt than Stoops does and he's an easier get. If they publicly go after Stoops and he spurns them, they run the risk of further embarrassment. Why would Stoops leave OU for ND, if not for the money? It is an inferior program in every way and there is much more pressure than at OU.

 

They need to be humble for once.

 

I think Kelly would be crazy to turn the job down no matter much he feels spurned by not being the 1st choice. I don't see him saying no.

[jersey cubs fan]

Id be happy if i was nd and they got kelly. Guy has built a powerhouse D2 program, turned around/improved 2 seperate programs in short order in Central Michigan and taking over Dantonio's(who is no slouch) Bearcats producing 10 win teams there. And all that without loads of talent. Kelly came up through the defensive side of the ball at Grand Valley so its not like he is totally deficient in that department. Solid coach.

 

He seems like a solid coach. But he's the fallback right now. Stoops may not take the job, but he's the first guy on the list. Since he hasn't told ND he's not interested, I'm not sure why they wouldn't press for him. Especially since OU's season is over whereas Cincy has another week. Gives ND 5 full days to quietly (or not so quietly) pursue Stoops and then turn to Kelly if Stoops ultimately says no.

Then you run the risk of Kelly saying no. I think ND has to do this kind of quick. Kelly has more national championships under his belt than Stoops does and he's an easier get. If they publicly go after Stoops and he spurns them, they run the risk of further embarrassment. Why would Stoops leave OU for ND, if not for the money? It is an inferior program in every way and there is much more pressure than at OU.

 

They need to be humble for once.

 

I think Kelly would be crazy to turn the job down no matter much he feels spurned by not being the 1st choice. I don't see him saying no.

 

I agree. As long as they don't antagonize him in some way, or pull a McCaskey/McGinnis thing where they treat him like he should be honored for the chance to coach there, he should be more than willing. That is unless another school jumps in earlier. They can wait a week or two on Stoops before going hard after Kelly. Although they should be talking already.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah, I guess I didn't consider the other jobs opening up option. It doesn't look like there's anything out there right now that would be worth leaving Cincinnati though. (Assuming Cincy pays him accordingly.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, I guess I didn't consider the other jobs opening up option. It doesn't look like there's anything out there right now that would be worth leaving Cincinnati though. (Assuming Cincy pays him accordingly.

 

I don't know what's open, but it would seem to me that most big college options would be better. Cincy's had a nice couple years, but their program is fairly pathetic longterm. It really shouldn't be hard for any legit program to pull him away from there.

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I have no reason to believe they haven't already talked indirectly with Kelly. And I think Kelly would do pretty much anything to get the ND job. I believe a week is plenty of time to figure out where they stand with Stoops. And the timing of OU/Cincy's seasons gives them an easy explanation for talking to Stoops this week and not Kelly (since he's got a game on Saturday). Kelly isn't going to feel spurned if he's not courted during the week before one of the biggest games of his career. If ND doesn't contact him next week (assuming the position is still open), he might be pissed. But I don't think that will happen.

 

But they're different coaches. To treat Kelly as Stoops equal (or to claim his championships are great than Stoop's) is ridiculous. Stoops has consistently won at one of the biggest CFB programs in America. Is he looking for a new challenge? Looking to have his name put up with Ara, Leahy, etc? Maybe so, maybe not. But it's something you have to explore right now. And doing so this week in no way jeopardizes any chance that Kelly takes the job.

[CubInOK]

Stoops said he's staying at OU.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4701121

[Guest]

To treat Kelly as Stoops equal (or to claim his championships are great than Stoop's) is ridiculous.

 

This is exactly why Kelly wouldn't take the job. Winning a national championship any level is difficult. With recruiting nothing changes expect the number of * someone has assigned to the kid. The coach still has to get the kids. At the D1 level Kelly has taken two perennial dormats and turned them into winning programs by finding good talent and coaching them well..

 

The only difference between Stoops and Kelly is name recognition.

[Andy]

Stoops said he's staying at OU.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4701121

Stoops said he "intends" to stay at OU. Reading the transcript of that interview, he certainly does not come off authoritative, and he's given the opportunity by a reporter to directly say he's not going anywhere and instead kind of dances around the question. If he wanted to shut people up (including ND), here's the statement he could make:

 

I am not interested in being the coach at Notre Dame next season or in the foreseeable future. I will not be engaging in any contact this off-season, direct or indirect, with the school regarding their coaching position. I will be the head coach at Oklahoma next season and hopefully far beyond that. Any reports, past, present or future, about my alleged interest in the coaching job at Notre Dame are erroneous, because I am here and will continue to be here and will not jeopardize that possibility in any way.

 

That paragraph would get people off his back, and that paragraph is what he's not saying.

 

This isn't to call him a liar or say I believe he's on the edge of coming to ND or anything (I certainly believe he hasn't had any direct contact with anyone at ND right now), I just am skeptical that this is over.

 

Also to note: The Tulsa World reported early this morning that OU would be releasing a statement later 'this morning' to further debunk the latest rumors. It's 3 pm in Oklahoma and nothing new's come out yet.

[XZero771679666304]

Yeah, the "I plan on staying" line is something we've all heard before from a coach/player who was soon to be an ex-coach/player for a team. I'd put very little stock in it.

[SouthSideRyan]

Cincy was absolutely not a doormat when Kelly got there. CMU went to one bowl(the year Kelly left) under Kelly.

 

I think he's a great coach, and would be a good hire for anyone, but you're overselling him with your description.