Peavy Puts Kibosh on Trade to White Sox (P. 8)

[Cubswin11]

I wonder what the Padres would take from the Cubs at this point?

 

Marshall, Thomas, & Jackson?

I bet if Hendry got it approved to the budget and he called Towers tomorrow and offered Thomas, Marshall, Archer, Starlin Castro, and maybe a PTBNL he could get a deal done. It would suck to lose Thomas, Archer and Castro as they all have gotten off to good starts this year and are all young or right on track for their age/level of minor league level, but I think it's a pretty fair deal. The Padres get a guy who can be a contributer to their rotation right now and 3 guys who can all be legit major league starters within the next few years. I wouldn't be opposed to even adding Ascanio, Stevens, Hart, Atkins or Wells instead of the PTBNL if the Padres want a ML ready pitcher for their bullpen or rotation right now.

[cubweiser03]

Suck on that Kevin Towers.

[Soul]

Yeah, a couple more weeks playing like we are right now and Peavy would nix a deal to the Cubs too.

[Eric Clipperton]

Peavy is not the answer. We need to CLEAR salary in 2010-11 not raise it, or else we'll be looking up at only the Yankees. Even if we CAN spend $175MM...that doesn't make it prudent to lock into contracts that are so big it may be necessary, 2 years ahead of time. Cubs may be #3 in revenues (not sure, are they? or NYM?) but that means #3 payroll is more of an upper target, especially since having room for rentals w/ big contracts can be really helpful at the deadline, esp in this economy.

[Cubswin11]

Peavy is not the answer. We need to CLEAR salary in 2010-11 not raise it, or else we'll be looking up at only the Yankees. Even if we CAN spend $175MM...that doesn't make it prudent to lock into contracts that are so big it may be necessary, 2 years ahead of time. Cubs may be #3 in revenues (not sure, are they? or NYM?) but that means #3 payroll is more of an upper target, especially since having room for rentals w/ big contracts can be really helpful at the deadline, esp in this economy.

We potentially lose Harden, Gregg, Johnson, Freel, Heilman, and Cotts after this year which is almost $21 mil. Granted we have guys getting bumps in salary and we'd have to fill their spots, but still we could clear a decent chunk of change this offseason if we wanted to. After 2010 we can potentially lose a lot of money. Lilly, Miles, and Lee are FA for sure and Bradley/Ramirez both have options. So if non of those guys are resigned or options aren't exercised we lose almost $53 mil. that offseason. So we can potentially clear almost $75 mil. between this offseason and next. So we should have some decent long term flexibility in contracts right now, next year our payroll would probably balloon if we bring on a Peavy type contract, but after 2010 we lose about 1/3 or our current payroll.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

If they get the revenue and the clearance to raise the payroll, why would you care if getting Peavy would increase the payroll? So what if we are 3rd in the majors? Peavy would make the team better. If we get a deal that is fair and have the payroll to take on the contract there is no reason that Hendry shouldn't pull the trigger.

[Eric Clipperton]

If they get the revenue and the clearance to raise the payroll, why would you care if getting Peavy would increase the payroll? So what if we are 3rd in the majors? Peavy would make the team better. If we get a deal that is fair and have the payroll to take on the contract there is no reason that Hendry shouldn't pull the trigger.

 

 

Because it's very likely that over the next year or two, there will be many opportunities to add players with higher "surplus value" over $$ cost than Peavy. He is signed for slightly under market value, but the contract is nothing great to the team signing him for sure, merely decent-to-good value for the $$. There will be many other players available in trades and even FA, where the same $$ might improve the Cubs by more- I doubt a Peavy deal would be the best way to spend the money he'll require, UNLESS we get a GREAT deal from SD on prospects required due to Peavy's no-trade. Most of the deals I've seen (except the ridic Cub fan proposals...Pie, Cedeno, Hill! haha) are not really good enough to pull the trigger yet. I'd keep looking at lots of guys over the next month or two. The rotation is solid as is, barring a couple injuries.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Who cares if the deal is higher than some people "might" be in the future? Those players aren't available and you have no idea how the free agent market is going to trend in the future. Peavy is a great pitcher that has won a Cy Young award. He has not even entered the prime of his career. There are not many of those pitchers around and when they are on the open market they get TONS of money (usually from the Yankees). If you get the opportunity to get one of them, especially at a slightly under market value deal in your words, you pounce on it. Pitching is the most important in playoff baseball and I would rather have a rotation of Zambrano, Peavy, Harden, and Dempster going than what we have right now. Or you could switch Lilly with Dempster and have Dempster coming out of the bullpen in the playoffs. We would have by far the best 5 man rotation in baseball and the best 4 man rotation when the playoffs come around.

[Backtobanks]

While I would love to have Peavy, the price would have to be right. Starting pitching isn't a problem with this team now or in the foreseeable future. Look at this Cardinal series and the two playoff series and ask yourself whether Peavy would have made a difference. If we can get Peavy without giving up Vitters, then I'm all for it.

[Jehrico]

Does Peavy nixing the WSox deal lower Peavy's market price for a team he would agree to go too?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Does Peavy nixing the WSox deal lower Peavy's market price for a team he would agree to go too?

No, but it definitely sets a market for him. Basically 2 top pitcing prospects and 2 PTBNL. Unfortunately, we dont have the 2 top pitching prospects. Wed have to see if Marshall and J jax would constitute that. If Shark didnt have that NTC, it could be a different story.

[hardcorecubfan]

Crap day for the Pale Hose. Not only are they humiliated at home by their chief rival but they have to go through a much condensed version of what wewent through all winter.

 

If I was Peavy watching that game I would have sent a "Definetly NOT!" note to the owner, Wht sox got spanked.

 

So Peavy will jump on the plane with us after the series. Wells and Fontenot stay behind????

[SouthSideRyan]

Does Peavy nixing the WSox deal lower Peavy's market price for a team he would agree to go too?

No, but it definitely sets a market for him. Basically 2 top pitcing prospects and 2 PTBNL. Unfortunately, we dont have the 2 top pitching prospects. Wed have to see if Marshall and J jax would constitute that. If Shark didnt have that NTC, it could be a different story.

 

Clayton Richard is a not a top pitching prospect.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Does Peavy nixing the WSox deal lower Peavy's market price for a team he would agree to go too?

No, but it definitely sets a market for him. Basically 2 top pitcing prospects and 2 PTBNL. Unfortunately, we dont have the 2 top pitching prospects. Wed have to see if Marshall and J jax would constitute that. If Shark didnt have that NTC, it could be a different story.

 

Clayton Richard is a not a top pitching prospect.

 

All I really know about Richard is that I remember him starting in the Futures Game last year and they were talking about him like he was the Sox future ace.

[fromthestretch]

Does Peavy nixing the WSox deal lower Peavy's market price for a team he would agree to go too?

No, but it definitely sets a market for him. Basically 2 top pitcing prospects and 2 PTBNL. Unfortunately, we dont have the 2 top pitching prospects. Wed have to see if Marshall and J jax would constitute that. If Shark didnt have that NTC, it could be a different story.

 

Clayton Richard is a not a top pitching prospect.

 

All I really know about Richard is that I remember him starting in the Futures Game last year and they were talking about him like he was the Sox future ace.

 

You would think that for someone his size (6'5, 225) he would have better strikeout numbers. However, his K/9 in the minors was only 5.8/9 IP. He does have pretty good control, and he seems to keep the ball in the ballpark.

[Outshined_One]

Does Peavy nixing the WSox deal lower Peavy's market price for a team he would agree to go too?

No, but it definitely sets a market for him. Basically 2 top pitcing prospects and 2 PTBNL. Unfortunately, we dont have the 2 top pitching prospects. Wed have to see if Marshall and J jax would constitute that. If Shark didnt have that NTC, it could be a different story.

 

Clayton Richard is a not a top pitching prospect.

 

Pretty much this. Jackson + Marshall would measure up to Poreda + Richard pretty well.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Does Peavy nixing the WSox deal lower Peavy's market price for a team he would agree to go too?

No, but it definitely sets a market for him. Basically 2 top pitcing prospects and 2 PTBNL. Unfortunately, we dont have the 2 top pitching prospects. Wed have to see if Marshall and J jax would constitute that. If Shark didnt have that NTC, it could be a different story.

 

Clayton Richard is a not a top pitching prospect.

 

Pretty much this. Jackson + Marshall would measure up to Poreda + Richard pretty well.

 

Sounds like Towers is getting desperate then. I cant imagine Hendry saying no had this been Towers request during the off season. Damn the clustermess that is our ownership situation.

[pitchcs]

Does Peavy nixing the WSox deal lower Peavy's market price for a team he would agree to go too?

No, but it definitely sets a market for him. Basically 2 top pitcing prospects and 2 PTBNL. Unfortunately, we dont have the 2 top pitching prospects. Wed have to see if Marshall and J jax would constitute that. If Shark didnt have that NTC, it could be a different story.

 

Clayton Richard is a not a top pitching prospect.

 

Pretty much this. Jackson + Marshall would measure up to Poreda + Richard pretty well.

 

 

Except that Poreda is pretty much considered the best of those 4, no?

[SouthSideRyan]

Does Peavy nixing the WSox deal lower Peavy's market price for a team he would agree to go too?

No, but it definitely sets a market for him. Basically 2 top pitcing prospects and 2 PTBNL. Unfortunately, we dont have the 2 top pitching prospects. Wed have to see if Marshall and J jax would constitute that. If Shark didnt have that NTC, it could be a different story.

 

Clayton Richard is a not a top pitching prospect.

 

Pretty much this. Jackson + Marshall would measure up to Poreda + Richard pretty well.

 

 

Except that Poreda is pretty much considered the best of those 4, no?

 

Well, that depends. Marshall already has 330 above average innings at the major league level. Poreda doesn't have that many innings pitched in his professional career.

 

ETA: And Poreda's BB rate(~5 BB/9) is scary this season in a tiny sample(~40 IP)

Edited May 22, 2009 by SouthSideRyan

[jersey cubs fan]

I wouldn't mind grilling some kibosh this weekend

[KingCubsFan]

 

 

Except that Poreda is pretty much considered the best of those 4, no?

 

Well, that depends. Marshall already has 330 above average innings at the major league level. Poreda doesn't have that many innings pitched in his professional career.

 

ETA: And Poreda's BB rate(~5 BB/9) is scary this season in a tiny sample(~40 IP)

I don't think there's any doubt Poreda is considered to be the best of the 4. Whether he ends up being the most successful is a different question though.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

 

Except that Poreda is pretty much considered the best of those 4, no?

 

Well, that depends. Marshall already has 330 above average innings at the major league level. Poreda doesn't have that many innings pitched in his professional career.

 

ETA: And Poreda's BB rate(~5 BB/9) is scary this season in a tiny sample(~40 IP)

I don't think there's any doubt Poreda is considered to be the best of the 4. Whether he ends up being the most successful is a different question though.

 

So what he is the best at?

[PrimeTime]

So Ive heard that Axlerod was on ESPN 1000 and was talking about how much Peavy wants to be a part of the Cubs.. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: Way to go Hendry

[dew1679666265]

So Ive heard that Axlerod was on ESPN 1000 and was talking about how much Peavy wants to be a part of the Cubs.. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: Way to go Hendry

 

Hendry holds no blame in this.

[KingCubsFan]

 

 

Except that Poreda is pretty much considered the best of those 4, no?

 

Well, that depends. Marshall already has 330 above average innings at the major league level. Poreda doesn't have that many innings pitched in his professional career.

 

ETA: And Poreda's BB rate(~5 BB/9) is scary this season in a tiny sample(~40 IP)

I don't think there's any doubt Poreda is considered to be the best of the 4. Whether he ends up being the most successful is a different question though.

 

So what he is the best at?

He's the best at throwing a baseball the hardest, meaning he's highly regarded by talent evaluators. A first round lefty that throws in the high 90's will always be more highly regarded than someone like Marshall. I don't think there's any doubt the White Sox could get more for Poreda right now than the Cubs could get for Marshall.