Peavy Puts Kibosh on Trade to White Sox (P. 8)

[dew1679666265]

Marshall, Cashner, Jackson and 2 PTBNL and maybe score Kouzmanoff in the process?

 

If we're giving Marshall (which we'd probably have to) I wouldn't want to give Cashner. The Marshall/Jackson duo is probably similar (though a bit less) to what the Sox were giving and Cashner is worth way more than Kouzmanoff.

 

I might do Marshall, Jackson and 2 PTBNLs, but others have made good points about his salary giving us issues. I might throw in a Randy Wells or Jake Fox to get Kouz thrown in, but that's about it.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Marshall, Cashner, Jackson and 2 PTBNL and maybe score Kouzmanoff in the process?

 

If we're giving Marshall (which we'd probably have to) I wouldn't want to give Cashner. The Marshall/Jackson duo is probably similar (though a bit less) to what the Sox were giving and Cashner is worth way more than Kouzmanoff.

 

I might do Marshall, Jackson and 2 PTBNLs, but others have made good points about his salary giving us issues. I might throw in a Randy Wells or Jake Fox to get Kouz thrown in, but that's about it.

 

Jake Fox does the Padres 0 good unless they plan to flip him over to an AL team. Can you imagine him trying to patrol that PetCo outfield? Yikes. I suppsoe maybe a Wells/Stevens/Hart/Atkins/Reinhard/Caridad throw in would suffice.

[dew1679666265]

Marshall, Cashner, Jackson and 2 PTBNL and maybe score Kouzmanoff in the process?

 

If we're giving Marshall (which we'd probably have to) I wouldn't want to give Cashner. The Marshall/Jackson duo is probably similar (though a bit less) to what the Sox were giving and Cashner is worth way more than Kouzmanoff.

 

I might do Marshall, Jackson and 2 PTBNLs, but others have made good points about his salary giving us issues. I might throw in a Randy Wells or Jake Fox to get Kouz thrown in, but that's about it.

 

Jake Fox does the Padres 0 good unless they plan to flip him over to an AL team. Can you imagine him trying to patrol that PetCo outfield? Yikes. I suppsoe maybe a Wells/Stevens/Hart/Atkins/Reinhard/Caridad throw in would suffice.

 

Yeah, I was just throwing out names of borderline prospects when I mentioned Fox.

 

I would go no higher than one of Wells/Hart/Atkins for Kouzmanoff in the earlier proposed deal. Any more and you have to have him produce and that's a pretty big gamble.

[SouthSideRyan]

Nobody is trading actual pieces for Mitch Atkins or Kevin Hart, or any other AAA pitcher we have besides Samardzija.

[dew1679666265]

Nobody is trading actual pieces for Mitch Atkins or Kevin Hart, or any other AAA pitcher we have besides Samardzija.

 

You're almost certainly right. They might give a little for Wells, though, if he continues to be pretty good at the ML level.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Nobody is trading actual pieces for Mitch Atkins or Kevin Hart, or any other AAA pitcher we have besides Samardzija.

 

You're almost certainly right. They might give a little for Wells, though, if he continues to be pretty good at the ML level.

 

Certainly not to build a trade around, but I could see them as a respectable throw in.

[A-Cal]

is everyone against the idea of putting shark in a deal?

[Little Slide Rooter]

is everyone against the idea of putting shark in a deal?

 

Im not, but Shark probably is, and since, he has a full NTC, thats the only guy who needs to be against it.

[dew1679666265]

Nobody is trading actual pieces for Mitch Atkins or Kevin Hart, or any other AAA pitcher we have besides Samardzija.

 

You're almost certainly right. They might give a little for Wells, though, if he continues to be pretty good at the ML level.

 

Certainly not to build a trade around, but I could see them as a respectable throw in.

 

Maybe. In a minor deal I could, perhaps, see that.

[A-Cal]

is everyone against the idea of putting shark in a deal?

 

Im not, but Shark probably is, and since, he has a full NTC, thats the only guy who needs to be against it.

 

why does it really matter to him though?

 

oh, and good lord, thanks jim for handing a a draftee a bloody NTC...MORAN!

[dew1679666265]

is everyone against the idea of putting shark in a deal?

 

Im not, but Shark probably is, and since, he has a full NTC, thats the only guy who needs to be against it.

 

Yeah, the NTC was the only way we could talk him out of playing football.

 

I don't think there's a chance he would accept a trade.

[dew1679666265]

is everyone against the idea of putting shark in a deal?

 

Im not, but Shark probably is, and since, he has a full NTC, thats the only guy who needs to be against it.

 

why does it really matter to him though?

 

oh, and good lord, thanks jim for handing a a draftee a bloody NTC...MORAN!

 

The only way Shark wasn't going to play football was to get an NTC.

 

And I think he wanted it because Chicago is close to home or something.

[Little Slide Rooter]

is everyone against the idea of putting shark in a deal?

 

Im not, but Shark probably is, and since, he has a full NTC, thats the only guy who needs to be against it.

 

Yeah, the NTC was the only way we could talk him out of playing football.

 

I don't think there's a chance he would accept a trade.

 

I suppose it couldnt hurt to ask though. San Diego might be a good environment for him. Padres are more likely to put him in the rotation than we would.

[dew1679666265]

is everyone against the idea of putting shark in a deal?

 

Im not, but Shark probably is, and since, he has a full NTC, thats the only guy who needs to be against it.

 

Yeah, the NTC was the only way we could talk him out of playing football.

 

I don't think there's a chance he would accept a trade.

 

I suppose it couldnt hurt to ask though. San Diego might be a good environment for him. Padres are more likely to put him in the rotation than we would.

 

Couldn't hurt to ask - which Hendry may have in the past - but I have extreme doubts he'd agree to it.

[A-Cal]

is everyone against the idea of putting shark in a deal?

 

Im not, but Shark probably is, and since, he has a full NTC, thats the only guy who needs to be against it.

 

why does it really matter to him though?

 

oh, and good lord, thanks jim for handing a a draftee a bloody NTC...MORAN!

 

The only way Shark wasn't going to play football was to get an NTC.

 

And I think he wanted it because Chicago is close to home or something.

 

i know it doesn't really matter at this point, but christ, hendry should have passed and just let the kid play bloody football or sign with another team

 

i think a NTC to a young man who has never played in the majors is ridiculously absurd

[dew1679666265]

i know it doesn't really matter at this point, but christ, hendry should have passed and just let the kid play bloody football or sign with another team

 

i think a NTC to a young man who has never played in the majors is ridiculously absurd

 

I don't think it's that bad. Personally, I wouldn't have done it, but his salary is not weighing us down that much and he's only going to improve.

 

The only problem with the NTC is that you can't move him for present day help, but having just one guy in the minors in that situation isn't a terrible thing.

[jersey cubs fan]

is everyone against the idea of putting shark in a deal?

 

Im not, but Shark probably is, and since, he has a full NTC, thats the only guy who needs to be against it.

 

Yeah, the NTC was the only way we could talk him out of playing football.

 

I don't think there's a chance he would accept a trade.

 

I don't think it was the only way. The main thing was the money. The NTC is just a bargaining chip. I think any pitcher would be a fool to turn down a potential trade to SD, especially a young one trying to build up his resume for arbitration/free agency. A couple years pitching in Petco could help Samardzija big time. He can use the NTC to negotiate something else into his deal.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Theres really no point in discussing the pieces of the deal at this point. The Sox deal showed us that we could make that happen real easy. Its out of Hendrys hands now, and the big deal is going to have to go through.

[dew1679666265]

is everyone against the idea of putting shark in a deal?

 

Im not, but Shark probably is, and since, he has a full NTC, thats the only guy who needs to be against it.

 

Yeah, the NTC was the only way we could talk him out of playing football.

 

I don't think there's a chance he would accept a trade.

 

I don't think it was the only way. The main thing was the money. The NTC is just a bargaining chip. I think any pitcher would be a fool to turn down a potential trade to SD, especially a young one trying to build up his resume for arbitration/free agency. A couple years pitching in Petco could help Samardzija big time. He can use the NTC to negotiate something else into his deal.

 

I'm thinking I remember hearing that the NTC was a necessity, but I could be remembering wrong. And as far as Shark waving it, doesn't he live near Chicago and wants to stay close to home? That may override the idea of getting earlier playing time in SD.

[dew1679666265]

Theres really no point in discussing the pieces of the deal at this point. The Sox deal showed us that we could make that happen real easy. Its out of Hendrys hands now, and the big deal is going to have to go through.

 

This is correct.

[CubColtPacer]

is everyone against the idea of putting shark in a deal?

 

Im not, but Shark probably is, and since, he has a full NTC, thats the only guy who needs to be against it.

 

Yeah, the NTC was the only way we could talk him out of playing football.

 

I don't think there's a chance he would accept a trade.

 

I don't think it was the only way. The main thing was the money. The NTC is just a bargaining chip. I think any pitcher would be a fool to turn down a potential trade to SD, especially a young one trying to build up his resume for arbitration/free agency. A couple years pitching in Petco could help Samardzija big time. He can use the NTC to negotiate something else into his deal.

 

I'm thinking I remember hearing that the NTC was a necessity, but I could be remembering wrong. And as far as Shark waving it, doesn't he live near Chicago and wants to stay close to home? That may override the idea of getting earlier playing time in SD.

 

Yes. Jeff grew up in NW Indiana and he has consistently said that the main reason he picked baseball was because he could play close to home and have his family come see him. He has also said consistently that he wouldn't waive the NTC for any reason and the only place he ever wants to play is Chicago.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yes. Jeff grew up in NW Indiana and he has consistently said that the main reason he picked baseball was because he could play close to home and have his family come see him. He has also said consistently that he wouldn't waive the NTC for any reason and the only place he ever wants to play is Chicago.

 

All that is well and good, but it doesn't change the fact that a NTC is just a negotiating asset, and a pitcher would be foolish to pass up the opportunity to pitch in SD.

[CubColtPacer]

Yes. Jeff grew up in NW Indiana and he has consistently said that the main reason he picked baseball was because he could play close to home and have his family come see him. He has also said consistently that he wouldn't waive the NTC for any reason and the only place he ever wants to play is Chicago.

 

All that is well and good, but it doesn't change the fact that a NTC is just a negotiating asset, and a pitcher would be foolish to pass up the opportunity to pitch in SD.

 

That might be for most players, but it doesn't seem to be that way for Samardzija (who is following in the footprints of someone like Brian Giles who doesn't use it as a negotiating asset either).

 

And yes, I do believe Samardzija would be foolish to pass up a trade to SD. He could make a lot of money in his career over there. But while most people with a NTC in trade talks say that they'll consider their options if the club wants to trade them but they're happy there etc., Samardzija came right out during the trade talks last offseason and said that he wouldn't even consider waiving the NTC no matter what the Cubs did. I think he's prepared to be that foolish.

[Backtobanks]

Yes. Jeff grew up in NW Indiana and he has consistently said that the main reason he picked baseball was because he could play close to home and have his family come see him. He has also said consistently that he wouldn't waive the NTC for any reason and the only place he ever wants to play is Chicago.

 

All that is well and good, but it doesn't change the fact that a NTC is just a negotiating asset, and a pitcher would be foolish to pass up the opportunity to pitch in SD.

 

One of these days Shark might grow up enough to realize that pitching in setup roles in Chicago might be less fulfilling ($$$$) than starting in SD. When he maxes out at about $3 million and sees decent starting pitchers getting $10-$12 million, he might understand that he could move his whole family out to SD with a few months salary.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yes. Jeff grew up in NW Indiana and he has consistently said that the main reason he picked baseball was because he could play close to home and have his family come see him. He has also said consistently that he wouldn't waive the NTC for any reason and the only place he ever wants to play is Chicago.

 

All that is well and good, but it doesn't change the fact that a NTC is just a negotiating asset, and a pitcher would be foolish to pass up the opportunity to pitch in SD.

 

That might be for most players, but it doesn't seem to be that way for Samardzija (who is following in the footprints of someone like Brian Giles who doesn't use it as a negotiating asset either).

 

And yes, I do believe Samardzija would be foolish to pass up a trade to SD. He could make a lot of money in his career over there. But while most people with a NTC in trade talks say that they'll consider their options if the club wants to trade them but they're happy there etc., Samardzija came right out during the trade talks last offseason and said that he wouldn't even consider waiving the NTC no matter what the Cubs did. I think he's prepared to be that foolish.

 

Brian Giles was on the tail end of his career after spending a long time nowhere near home. That just isn't a valid comparison. I can see Samardzija initially genuinely just wanting to play in Chicago, especially as he became comfortable being a full-time baseball player. But I think it's naive to think he's going to keep that mindset throughout his career. Odds are he will spend at least part of his career somewhere else. If he has limited opportunities to play in the majors with Chicago but ample opportunity to play in the majors elsewhere, especially in a pitcher friendly park, he's going to wise up and consider it. His agent is going to tell him they can get an extra guaranteed year or a trading bonus or something by accepting a trade, not to mention build up service time. That NTC is only valid while he is under this contract. When it expires, he's still Cubs controlled property, but with no NTC rights.