Peavy Puts Kibosh on Trade to White Sox (P. 8)

[Post Count Padder]

Peavy won't accept a trade to the White Sox.

He'd better not. Son of a...

[RammyFanny]

Remember where your heart is Jake....

[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

Kevin effing Towers... thank you very little.

[UK1679666180]

Right now, the Cubs have bigger problems than SP.

 

I'd rather see them use resources towards the pen and someone like Wigginton than sell the farm for Peavy.

[chasinf5s]

Peavy is a good pitcher no doubt but he would be going from one of the very worst home run parks to one of if not the best.

[CUBZ99]

I wouldn't mind seeing this trade go through. Peavy is a pretty good pitcher, but starting pitching is not the Cubs problem this year. And as mentioned before, at least it keeps him from going to the Brewers or Cardinals.

[UMFan83]

Kenny Williams is such a moron.

 

And while starting pitching might not be a big problem this year, do you really trust any of our starters to hold their own against Santana, Hamels, Billinsley in a playoff series. None of our starters have shown shutdown ability this year or even consistantly over their careers.

[Outshined_One]

Word is the players traded are Poreda, Richard, and two PTBNLs.

 

I'm guessing one of those PTBNLs is Gordon Beckham. The other one might be someone like Dan Hudson.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Kenny Williams is such a moron.

 

And while starting pitching might not be a big problem this year, do you really trust any of our starters to hold their own against Santana, Hamels, Billinsley in a playoff series. None of our starters have shown shutdown ability this year or even consistantly over their careers.

 

no, yes, yes

[Pushfrog98]

also, keep in mind that it wasn't Hendry who nixed the deal for Peavy. Towers backed out of it at the last second.

[NCCubFan]

If he really is willing to go to the NL, I have to believe that the Angels are going to jump back into the mix.

In what parallel universe are the Angels in the NL?

[chasinf5s]

Kenny Williams is such a moron.

 

And while starting pitching might not be a big problem this year, do you really trust any of our starters to hold their own against Santana, Hamels, Billinsley in a playoff series. None of our starters have shown shutdown ability this year or even consistantly over their careers.

 

What about 2005 when they had complete game after complete game when it mattered most

[Southpaw191679666239]

If he really is willing to go to the NL, I have to believe that the Angels are going to jump back into the mix.

In what parallel universe are the Angels in the NL?

 

Probably a typo, but if a trade is agreed to and is just waiting for player approval to waive a NTC, then it's not a bidding war where the Angels would "jump in".

[jersey cubs fan]

also, keep in mind that it wasn't Hendry who nixed the deal for Peavy. Towers backed out of it at the last second.

Huh? Everything I read said Hendry just didn't want to pay as much as was on the table.

[UK1679666180]

Kenny Williams is such a moron.

 

And while starting pitching might not be a big problem this year, do you really trust any of our starters to hold their own against Santana, Hamels, Billinsley in a playoff series. None of our starters have shown shutdown ability this year or even consistantly over their careers.

 

Which is why the pen and locking up this offense is key. Both Zambrano and Harden have shown enough to where if the Cubs face one of those 3 (they have the potential stuff to win against then), but it's more likely they'll win by hanging around and beating them in a battle of pens rather than counting on the SP going 8/9 giving up 2 or less regardless of who it is. The Cubs have as much rotation depth as anyone 1-4 but they can't compete in terms of matching up once the starter is done given how bad this pen is.

[UMFan83]

Kenny Williams is such a moron.

 

And while starting pitching might not be a big problem this year, do you really trust any of our starters to hold their own against Santana, Hamels, Billinsley in a playoff series. None of our starters have shown shutdown ability this year or even consistantly over their careers.

 

What about 2005 when they had complete game after complete game when it mattered most

 

Huh?

 

I started talking about the Cubs pitchers in the second paragraph. .

[Old Style]

If he really is willing to go to the NL, I have to believe that the Angels are going to jump back into the mix.

In what parallel universe are the Angels in the NL?

I think he meant AL.

[chasinf5s]

Kenny Williams is such a moron.

 

And while starting pitching might not be a big problem this year, do you really trust any of our starters to hold their own against Santana, Hamels, Billinsley in a playoff series. None of our starters have shown shutdown ability this year or even consistantly over their careers.

 

What about 2005 when they had complete game after complete game when it mattered most

 

Huh?

 

I started talking about the Cubs pitchers in the second paragraph. .

 

misread it

[PackLandVA]

Does Peavy keep the "No Trade Clause" through the remainder of the contract even if he is dealt this year to another team? Does he keep it for the remainder of the contract or once he waives it, it's gone for good?

 

The reason I ask is because if he waives the NTC completely (for the remainder of the contract), this could be a great trade for the White Sox or any team that gets him. You're basically getting a great pitcher early in the season that could be traded AGAIN nearer to the deadline in July when teams get desperate, thus getting back a better package than you gave up. You could also trade him in the off season or next year, again, getting more than you gave up.

[UMFan83]

Kenny Williams is such a moron.

 

And while starting pitching might not be a big problem this year, do you really trust any of our starters to hold their own against Santana, Hamels, Billinsley in a playoff series. None of our starters have shown shutdown ability this year or even consistantly over their careers.

 

Which is why the pen and locking up this offense is key. Both Zambrano and Harden have shown enough to where if the Cubs face one of those 3 (they have the potential stuff to win against then), but it's more likely they'll win by hanging around and beating them in a battle of pens rather than counting on the SP going 8/9 giving up 2 or less regardless of who it is. The Cubs have as much rotation depth as anyone 1-4 but they can't compete in terms of matching up once the starter is done given how bad this pen is.

 

Very valid point. The bullpen looks to be a much much bigger concern at this point. Who knows what our resources are for improving the team anyways.

[dew1679666265]

also, keep in mind that it wasn't Hendry who nixed the deal for Peavy. Towers backed out of it at the last second.

Huh? Everything I read said Hendry just didn't want to pay as much as was on the table.

 

I was under the impression the deal couldn't go through primarily because the Trib wouldn't take on that kind of contract in the middle of the sale. The secondary factor was Towers continuing to add extra players to the deal at the last minute (I think the breaking point might have been Angel Guzman).

[jersey cubs fan]

also, keep in mind that it wasn't Hendry who nixed the deal for Peavy. Towers backed out of it at the last second.

Huh? Everything I read said Hendry just didn't want to pay as much as was on the table.

 

I was under the impression the deal couldn't go through primarily because the Trib wouldn't take on that kind of contract in the middle of the sale. The secondary factor was Towers continuing to add extra players to the deal at the last minute (I think the breaking point might have been Angel Guzman).

 

I thought there was a deal on the table that Hendry didn't want to take, and then shortly after that the trib instructed them to put any sort of deal on the backburner due to the ownership issues.

[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

Does Peavy keep the "No Trade Clause" through the remainder of the contract even if he is dealt this year to another team? Does he keep it for the remainder of the contract or once he waives it, it's gone for good?

 

The reason I ask is because if he waives the NTC completely (for the remainder of the contract), this could be a great trade for the White Sox or any team that gets him. You're basically getting a great pitcher early in the season that could be traded AGAIN nearer to the deadline in July when teams get desperate, thus getting back a better package than you gave up. You could also trade him in the off season or next year, again, getting more than you gave up.

 

Some here with an actual JD could hopefully confirm this, but I understand the NTC waiver as a simple provision that merely makes the contract flexible in specific situations but does not amend nor restate the actual NTC. The contract should move wholesale with the player and be in effect as it was before. Unless there's some language in Peavy's contract that amends or revokes the NTC should Peavy waive it for a trade, it should remain intact and effective regardless of the jersey he's sporting.

[apete6]

Word is the players traded are Poreda, Richard, and two PTBNLs.

 

I'm guessing one of those PTBNLs is Gordon Beckham. The other one might be someone like Dan Hudson.

 

According to ESPN.com, Beckham NOT part of the deal. Great deal for the Sox.

[UK1679666180]

I don't them see the Cubs trading Vitters and/or Samardzija anytime soon, but the Cubs likely wouldn't hesitate to upgrade the team to improve a weakness.