Lous a freaking idiot Part 2 2009 season

[flyseye]

I've never said I could do his job. But if I had his ear, he'd be able to do his job a lot better.

 

Those stupid, stupid Cubs. I am firing off a letter today informing them that if they would simply hire Rob from NSBB, that Lou would suddenly become a much better manager.

 

Ohhh...yeah...the classic "just a message board poster" attack. I think it's been around since the dawn of the internet. It's great when you have no other way to argue a losing point. Drop the argument and attack the "message board poster" aspect. Well done.

 

Banedon, I guess I must of upset you because I called him on EXACTLY what he said.As a matter of fact he continues to say it. So why the heck don't you all write the Cubs and tell them how much better off Lou would be if he listened to Rob from NSBB ? Why don't you see if Bruce Miles will write a column about it ? Heck, why doesn't somebody just do a front page article on this site about it ?If you really think it is a true statement, there should be no problem, should there? If, on the other hand, you do not think it is a statement worth backing, you have no business ragging on me about it. Unless of course you know it is a ridiculous statement, and you just think I am being mean to him. Perhaps you feel sorry for him ? If the latter is the case, I commend you for your loyalty to your fellow poster, and I will let it drop, and I apologize.

 

But to say I attacked the poster is pure BS, and you know it.

[17 Seconds]

can you answer my question about dusty

[flyseye]

can you answer my question about dusty

 

Sure. First off I never said, or even insinuated that Lou, or Dusty, or any other manager never made a mistake. I simply said that the notion that anyone on this, or any other message board, or any drunk at the end of any bar, can regularly make better decisions than a professional MLB manager is pretty far fetched. And I also take extreme exception to the notion that Lou Piniella would be better off getting statistical advise from anyone on this board above those who already give him advise.

 

Now, to answer your question, you seem to be forgetting that at the time you are referring to, many posters thought that Patterson was the second coming of Christ. So I don't think many around here were doing much second guessing about that. As far as Neifi was concerned, it turned out to be a poor decision. Much like signing Milton Bradley will probably turn out to be a poor one. So what. You think that pointing out one thing negative negates all of the other decisions a manager or GM makes ? You think this proves that any Tom, Dick, or Harry could have regularly done better ?

 

A broken clock is right twice a day. Just because in hindsight you get one now and then proves nothing to me about anyones day to day managerial/statistical skills.

 

Hope I answered your question.

[treebird]

just to drive people a little more crazy, i'd like to add that i think a computer with the proper data (win expectancies [easy] and your thoughts on the current, true abilities of every player [hard]) could absolutely be programmed to be a better strategist than lou.

 

it'd probably be bad at telling david patton to hang in there and get them next time, though.

[Butterscup1679666578]

well done today lou. what ticks me off is his failure to defend bradley, both during the game and afterwards.

[SouthSideRyan]

can you answer my question about dusty

 

Sure. First off I never said, or even insinuated that Lou, or Dusty, or any other manager never made a mistake. I simply said that the notion that anyone on this, or any other message board, or any drunk at the end of any bar, can regularly make better decisions than a professional MLB manager is pretty far fetched.

 

Dusty Baker is a strategical buffoon. I'd take half the board over him. The fact that somebody has reached the pinnacle of his field does not mean the person is qualified for it.

 

But back in the day I thought Neifi was the 2nd coming of Christ, so I guess it's not fair.

 

(Thought this was the thread where we made stuff up)

[Irrelevant Dude]

But back in the day I thought Neifi was the 2nd coming of Christ

And for one magic night in 1998, he was exactly that...

[TruffleShuffle]

well done today lou. what ticks me off is his failure to defend bradley, both during the game and afterwards.

 

umpires are allowed to do a crappy job; managers aren't allowed to criticize umpires.

[USSoccer]

I would, right now, take at least 30 posters here over Piniella when it comes to in game strategy

[Rob]

I've never said I could do his job. But if I had his ear, he'd be able to do his job a lot better.

 

Those stupid, stupid Cubs. I am firing off a letter today informing them that if they would simply hire Rob from NSBB, that Lou would suddenly become a much better manager.

 

Ohhh...yeah...the classic "just a message board poster" attack. I think it's been around since the dawn of the internet. It's great when you have no other way to argue a losing point. Drop the argument and attack the "message board poster" aspect. Well done.

 

Banedon, I guess I must of upset you because I called him on EXACTLY what he said.As a matter of fact he continues to say it. So why the heck don't you all write the Cubs and tell them how much better off Lou would be if he listened to Rob from NSBB ? Why don't you see if Bruce Miles will write a column about it ? Heck, why doesn't somebody just do a front page article on this site about it ?If you really think it is a true statement, there should be no problem, should there? If, on the other hand, you do not think it is a statement worth backing, you have no business ragging on me about it. Unless of course you know it is a ridiculous statement, and you just think I am being mean to him. Perhaps you feel sorry for him ? If the latter is the case, I commend you for your loyalty to your fellow poster, and I will let it drop, and I apologize.

 

But to say I attacked the poster is pure BS, and you know it.

 

No, you're absolutely using hyperbolic statements to imply that I don't know what I'm talking about at all... nevermind that I am working on a degree with a heavy slant on stats, a bio minor with a heavy slant on kinesiology, and am currently applying to postgraduate sports management programs. Might grab an mba while I'm at it too, if you were interested.

 

I've read dozens and dozens of articles simply devoted to the when a sacrifice bunt might be warranted... same for lineup construction, pitcher workloads, how absolutely stupid it is to hit and run... and I can back up every single opinion I have on the game with hard data to support it.

 

Go ahead and make overly sarcastic remarks. Do you even realize that every single professional baseball team employs people exactly like me to help influence their decision making? Not every team has the kind of army Billy Beane employs, but who exactly do you think it was that convinced Hendry to start focusing more on OBP?

[UMFan83]

There is no definite "right way" or "wrong way" to manage a baseball team. There are better ways than others, but there are a lot of different styles managers employ with regards to strategy. Lou does a lot of things well, much better than any of us who have never been in a major league clubhouse could do. But there also a lot of things that Lou does that we don't necessarily agree with. Like for one, a lot of us hate sending the runners in certain situations where Lou does run a lot. Just because we disagree with his style, we are not suggesting that we can manage the team better. It just means we don't agree about that aspect of his strategy.

[Guest]

baseball is not acomplicated game. It doesn't take a genius to do it. Lou knows more about hitting than almost everyone here but the strategy of the game isn't his strong suit.

[Rob]

baseball is not acomplicated game. It doesn't take a genius to do it. Lou knows more about hitting than almost everyone here but the strategy of the game isn't his strong suit.

 

Better be careful using the word "almost" there. flyseye is looking for something else crazy to latch onto...

[NonProfitCow]

Tony LaRussa is the 3rd winningest manager of all time. Two days ago with the game tied in the 9th, the bases loaded and 1 out he used Brendan Ryan as a PH instead of Ryan Ludwick. Flyseye, that should tell you all you need to know about how stupid some managers can be in game.

[SouthSideRyan]

Tony LaRussa is the 3rd winningest manager of all time. Two days ago with the game tied in the 9th, the bases loaded and 1 out he used Brendan Ryan as a PH instead of Ryan Ludwick. Flyseye, that should tell you all you need to know about how stupid some managers can be in game.

 

Easy to say in hindsight.

[SweetZombieJesus]

FIRE Piniella HIRE SANDBERG!!!

[NCCubFan]

hopefully, after he gets the team swept by the cards with his extreme dustyness. They will fire effing Piniella and will hire Sandberg.

He's only out for himself, just like he always was. All he ever cared about was winning - winning - winning.

 

A real LOSER off-the-field too. No wonder he's headed for a second DIVORCE. LOUSY family man.

 

The Hall of Fame does not make you a good person. He let it go to his head. I hope to GOD he never ever manages the CUBS. I'll become a Whie Sox fan.

 

IT'S NICE TO BE IMPORTANT BUT IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO BE NICE!!!!

[Butterscup1679666578]

well done today lou. what ticks me off is his failure to defend bradley, both during the game and afterwards.

 

umpires are allowed to do a crappy job; managers aren't allowed to criticize umpires.

 

he could still defend bradley without criticizing the ump. going out there to talk on bradley's behalf during the game and saying something other than "uh, i couldn't really see it" afterwords would've done the trick.

[Tyrant]

I would, right now, take at least 30 posters here over Piniella when it comes to in game strategy

 

Name them.

[Tyrant]

FIRE Piniella HIRE SANDBERG!!!

 

Stop.

[flyseye]

but who exactly do you think it was that convinced Hendry to start focusing more on OBP?

 

Don't know a name, but I am guessing it wasn't you.

 

Good day.

[javy knows my name]

but who exactly do you think it was that convinced Hendry to start focusing more on OBP?

 

Don't know a name, but I am guessing it wasn't you.

 

Good day.

 

Well that's all we really need to know there, guys

[USSoccer]

I would, right now, take at least 30 posters here over Piniella when it comes to in game strategy

 

Name them.

 

Me

Tree

IMB

Rocket

TT

SSR

Sulley

Raisin

Tim

1908

Wolf

Seth

Vance

NPC

Beertown

Butters

Banedon

JR

Snood

Jersey

abuck

anze

e2s

mojo

swordsman

nilodnayr

laura

biittner

jon

fred

GR

Edited April 19, 2009 by USSoccer

[Mephistopheles]

if you don't have me on there there's something wrong.

[Mephistopheles]

but most of those people are a hell of a lot worse than lou.