Lous a freaking idiot Part 2 2009 season

[Keener98]

not hitting hoffpauir for fontenot with 2 on and 1 out in the 8th was pretty dumb.

 

 

Yea makes no sense our best Ph doesnt see the field in a close game like that, yet Freel and Miles do. Lous in game managing leaves so much to be desired.

[CubbieBum]

Last year I defended Lou this year he has left me perplexed at many of decisions.

[manbearcub]

Last year I defended Lou this year he has left me perplexed at many of decisions.

he must have gotten dumber

[Guest]

not hitting hoffpauir for fontenot with 2 on and 1 out in the 8th was pretty dumb.

 

 

Yea makes no sense our best Ph doesnt see the field in a close game like that, yet Freel and Miles do. Lous in game managing leaves so much to be desired.

 

Just to make it even dumber, please give the #1 reason Hoffpauir made the squad in the first place.

[Irrelevant Dude]

not hitting hoffpauir for fontenot with 2 on and 1 out in the 8th was pretty dumb.

 

 

Yea makes no sense our best Ph doesnt see the field in a close game like that, yet Freel and Miles do. Lous in game managing leaves so much to be desired.

 

Just to make it even dumber, please give the #1 reason Hoffpauir made the squad in the first place.

I was mowing the lawn and only caught portions of the 8th and 9th inning on the radio, but I knew that the pitcher's spot was coming up in the 9th and assumed there was no question that it would be Hoffpauir. The next I heard, Soriano had hit a home run and there was 1 out, so I was certain that Hoffpauir had made an out. After reading this thread, I went back and checked the box score to find that Miles was used instead. That is completely inexcusable to leave the team's best pinch hitter on the bench, especially when Miles was the alternative. Lou treats Hoffpauir as if he is a .220 hitter with power who is only valuable in situations where a home run is required.

[Gingerballs Lives]

not hitting hoffpauir for fontenot with 2 on and 1 out in the 8th was pretty dumb.

 

 

Yea makes no sense our best Ph doesnt see the field in a close game like that, yet Freel and Miles do. Lous in game managing leaves so much to be desired.

 

Just to make it even dumber, please give the #1 reason Hoffpauir made the squad in the first place.

I was mowing the lawn and only caught portions of the 8th and 9th inning on the radio, but I knew that the pitcher's spot was coming up in the 9th and assumed there was no question that it would be Hoffpauir. The next I heard, Soriano had hit a home run and there was 1 out, so I was certain that Hoffpauir had made an out. After reading this thread, I went back and checked the box score to find that Miles was used instead. That is completely inexcusable to leave the team's best pinch hitter on the bench, especially when Miles was the alternative. Lou treats Hoffpauir as if he is a .220 hitter with power who is only valuable in situations where a home run is required.

 

Me too, I figured Hoff made an out as well.

 

WTF is with some of these decisions?

[CubbieBum]

Last year I defended Lou this year he has left me perplexed at many of decisions.

he must have gotten dumber

 

I actually think he has. He has made a lot more bad decisions this year. Last year a guy like Miles wouldn't see the field and definitely wouldn't PH instead of Hoff. He did some dumb things last year but all managers do. This year its every game he does something that just simply makes absolutely zero sense.

[Keener98]

Last year I defended Lou this year he has left me perplexed at many of decisions.

he must have gotten dumber

 

I actually think he has. He has made a lot more bad decisions this year. Last year a guy like Miles wouldn't see the field and definitely wouldn't PH instead of Hoff. He did some dumb things last year but all managers do. This year its every game he does something that just simply makes absolutely zero sense.

 

Last year a guy like MIles wouldnt see the field because we didnt have a guy like Miles on the roster. Hendry really hasnt given him much of a bench to work with this year regarding middle infield.

[rawaction]

not hitting hoffpauir for fontenot with 2 on and 1 out in the 8th was pretty dumb.

 

 

Yea makes no sense our best Ph doesnt see the field in a close game like that, yet Freel and Miles do. Lous in game managing leaves so much to be desired.

 

Just to make it even dumber, please give the #1 reason Hoffpauir made the squad in the first place.

I was mowing the lawn and only caught portions of the 8th and 9th inning on the radio, but I knew that the pitcher's spot was coming up in the 9th and assumed there was no question that it would be Hoffpauir. The next I heard, Soriano had hit a home run and there was 1 out, so I was certain that Hoffpauir had made an out. After reading this thread, I went back and checked the box score to find that Miles was used instead. That is completely inexcusable to leave the team's best pinch hitter on the bench, especially when Miles was the alternative. Lou treats Hoffpauir as if he is a .220 hitter with power who is only valuable in situations where a home run is required.

 

Me too, I figured Hoff made an out as well.

 

WTF is with some of these decisions?

 

I think Lou was saving Hoffpauir for an RBI situation and didn't want to waste his power leading off an inning. That in itself isn't a bad idea. However, when you have your 1-6 hitters coming up, you aren't going to pinch hit for any of them anyway. Granted if Soto had gotten a single, you would have had a chance to win with Hoffpauir hitting for Fontenot. But you can't save Hoffpauir to be the 8th hitter coming to the plate in the inning. You simply cannot allow your team to lose a close game with your best bench player sitting it out completely.

[Guest]

I think Lou was saving Hoffpauir for an RBI situation and didn't want to waste his power leading off an inning. That in itself isn't a bad idea. However, when you have your 1-6 hitters coming up, you aren't going to pinch hit for any of them anyway. Granted if Soto had gotten a single, you would have had a chance to win with Hoffpauir hitting for Fontenot. But you can't save Hoffpauir to be the 8th hitter coming to the plate in the inning. You simply cannot allow your team to lose a close game with your best bench player sitting it out completely.

 

The original complaint was that Hoffpauir didn't PH in the 8th with runners on. Fontenot and Scales made the last two outs of that inning with runners on first and 2nd.

 

I agree about not using Hoffpauir anywhere in the top of the order in the 9th. That's why the 8th made sense.

[dew1679666265]

I think Lou was saving Hoffpauir for an RBI situation and didn't want to waste his power leading off an inning. That in itself isn't a bad idea. However, when you have your 1-6 hitters coming up, you aren't going to pinch hit for any of them anyway. Granted if Soto had gotten a single, you would have had a chance to win with Hoffpauir hitting for Fontenot. But you can't save Hoffpauir to be the 8th hitter coming to the plate in the inning. You simply cannot allow your team to lose a close game with your best bench player sitting it out completely.

 

The original complaint was that Hoffpauir didn't PH in the 8th with runners on. Fontenot and Scales made the last two outs of that inning with runners on first and 2nd.

 

I agree about not using Hoffpauir anywhere in the top of the order in the 9th. That's why the 8th made sense.

 

My memory may be fuzzy on this, but if Hoff pinch hits for Fontenot (3B) or Scales (2B) in the 8th, then who plays the field the next inning?

[Keener98]

I think Lou was saving Hoffpauir for an RBI situation and didn't want to waste his power leading off an inning. That in itself isn't a bad idea. However, when you have your 1-6 hitters coming up, you aren't going to pinch hit for any of them anyway. Granted if Soto had gotten a single, you would have had a chance to win with Hoffpauir hitting for Fontenot. But you can't save Hoffpauir to be the 8th hitter coming to the plate in the inning. You simply cannot allow your team to lose a close game with your best bench player sitting it out completely.

 

The original complaint was that Hoffpauir didn't PH in the 8th with runners on. Fontenot and Scales made the last two outs of that inning with runners on first and 2nd.

 

I agree about not using Hoffpauir anywhere in the top of the order in the 9th. That's why the 8th made sense.

 

My memory may be fuzzy on this, but if Hoff pinch hits for Fontenot (3B) or Scales (2B) in the 8th, then who plays the field the next inning?

 

Miles

[Guest]

I think Lou was saving Hoffpauir for an RBI situation and didn't want to waste his power leading off an inning. That in itself isn't a bad idea. However, when you have your 1-6 hitters coming up, you aren't going to pinch hit for any of them anyway. Granted if Soto had gotten a single, you would have had a chance to win with Hoffpauir hitting for Fontenot. But you can't save Hoffpauir to be the 8th hitter coming to the plate in the inning. You simply cannot allow your team to lose a close game with your best bench player sitting it out completely.

 

The original complaint was that Hoffpauir didn't PH in the 8th with runners on. Fontenot and Scales made the last two outs of that inning with runners on first and 2nd.

 

I agree about not using Hoffpauir anywhere in the top of the order in the 9th. That's why the 8th made sense.

 

My memory may be fuzzy on this, but if Hoff pinch hits for Fontenot (3B) or Scales (2B) in the 8th, then who plays the field the next inning?

 

Yep. Miles. Miles can still pinch hit for the pitcher that inning, then he takes over at 2nd and one of Fontenot or Scales will be at 3rd.

[dew1679666265]

Yep. Miles. Miles can still pinch hit for the pitcher that inning, then he takes over at 2nd and one of Fontenot or Scales will be at 3rd.

 

That's if Hoff reaches safely. If not, then he pinch hits and then we burn Miles to replace him in the field. I'm not necessarily against it, but I don't think it was an awful non-move either.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yep. Miles. Miles can still pinch hit for the pitcher that inning, then he takes over at 2nd and one of Fontenot or Scales will be at 3rd.

 

That's if Hoff reaches safely. If not, then he pinch hits and then we burn Miles to replace him in the field. I'm not necessarily against it, but I don't think it was an awful non-move either.

 

What?

[dew1679666265]

Yep. Miles. Miles can still pinch hit for the pitcher that inning, then he takes over at 2nd and one of Fontenot or Scales will be at 3rd.

 

That's if Hoff reaches safely. If not, then he pinch hits and then we burn Miles to replace him in the field. I'm not necessarily against it, but I don't think it was an awful non-move either.

 

What?

 

I'm not sure what's not clear about what I said. Can you elaborate where you're confused?

 

Basically my point is that if Hoff pinch hits for either Fontenot or Scales in the 8th inning and records an out and the rest of the inning continues the way it did, then either Font or Scales will be out of the game and either Hoff will have to play 2B or 3B or Lou would have to pull Hoff and place in Miles to play in the 9th. Am I completely missing something?

[TruffleShuffle]

Yep. Miles. Miles can still pinch hit for the pitcher that inning, then he takes over at 2nd and one of Fontenot or Scales will be at 3rd.

 

That's if Hoff reaches safely. If not, then he pinch hits and then we burn Miles to replace him in the field. I'm not necessarily against it, but I don't think it was an awful non-move either.

 

What?

 

I'm not sure what's not clear about what I said. Can you elaborate where you're confused?

 

Basically my point is that if Hoff pinch hits for either Fontenot or Scales in the 8th inning and records an out and the rest of the inning continues the way it did, then either Font or Scales will be out of the game and either Hoff will have to play 2B or 3B or Lou would have to pull Hoff and place in Miles to play in the 9th. Am I completely missing something?

 

i don't think you have to do that. all you do is put the pitcher in the spot that hoffpauir pinch hit at (#7) and the put miles at 2B/3B, batting #9.

[dew1679666265]

i don't think you have to do that. all you do is put the pitcher in the spot that hoffpauir pinch hit at (#7) and the put miles at 2B/3B, batting #9.

 

Ok, sorry. Somehow the ability to double switch slipped my mind. I'd have still let Fontenot and Scales hit and brought in Hoff in the 9 spot in the ninth.

[TruffleShuffle]

i don't think you have to do that. all you do is put the pitcher in the spot that hoffpauir pinch hit at (#7) and the put miles at 2B/3B, batting #9.

 

Ok, sorry. Somehow the ability to double switch slipped my mind. I'd have still let Fontenot and Scales hit and brought in Hoff in the 9 spot in the ninth.

 

i might have done that in a one run game, but needing some power down 3 and bringing the game tying run to the plate, i'd much prefer a guy who has an OPS over .900 and 4 homers in 72 ABs to a guy who hasn't been hitting for beans this month.

[dew1679666265]

i don't think you have to do that. all you do is put the pitcher in the spot that hoffpauir pinch hit at (#7) and the put miles at 2B/3B, batting #9.

 

Ok, sorry. Somehow the ability to double switch slipped my mind. I'd have still let Fontenot and Scales hit and brought in Hoff in the 9 spot in the ninth.

 

i might have done that in a one run game, but needing some power down 3 and bringing the game tying run to the plate, i'd much prefer a guy who has an OPS over .900 and 4 homers in 72 ABs to a guy who hasn't been hitting for beans this month.

 

I can see that. If there's anything Fontenot can do this season, though, it's hit for power.

[Fred Hornkohl]

 

I can see that. If there's anything Fontenot can do this season, though, it's hit for power.

 

On the contrary, the only thing Fontenot has been doing effectively of late is looking at a lot of pitches......

 

05/04 - 05/17      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
Fontenot           29    0    1    1    0    0    3    5   10  0.034  0.171  0.069  0.240  0.053  4.89  0.137  0.130

[dew1679666265]

 

I can see that. If there's anything Fontenot can do this season, though, it's hit for power.

 

On the contrary, the only thing Fontenot has been doing effectively of late is looking at a lot of pitches......

 

05/04 - 05/17      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
Fontenot           29    0    1    1    0    0    3    5   10  0.034  0.171  0.069  0.240  0.053  4.89  0.137  0.130

 

Wow, didn't realize he'd been that bad since May started. I meant over the entirety of the year, though.

[Fred Hornkohl]

 

I can see that. If there's anything Fontenot can do this season, though, it's hit for power.

 

On the contrary, the only thing Fontenot has been doing effectively of late is looking at a lot of pitches......

 

05/04 - 05/17      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
Fontenot           29    0    1    1    0    0    3    5   10  0.034  0.171  0.069  0.240  0.053  4.89  0.137  0.130

 

Wow, didn't realize he'd been that bad since May started. I meant over the entirety of the year, though.

 

Yeah, but even his season totals are starting to look pretty weak........

 

04/06 - 05/17      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
Fontenot          108   12   22    4    0    5   17   16   25  0.204  0.307  0.380  0.687  0.218  4.34  0.103  0.167

[dew1679666265]

 

I can see that. If there's anything Fontenot can do this season, though, it's hit for power.

 

On the contrary, the only thing Fontenot has been doing effectively of late is looking at a lot of pitches......

 

05/04 - 05/17      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
Fontenot           29    0    1    1    0    0    3    5   10  0.034  0.171  0.069  0.240  0.053  4.89  0.137  0.130

 

Wow, didn't realize he'd been that bad since May started. I meant over the entirety of the year, though.

 

Yeah, but even his season totals are starting to look pretty weak........

 

04/06 - 05/17      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
Fontenot          108   12   22    4    0    5   17   16   25  0.204  0.307  0.380  0.687  0.218  4.34  0.103  0.167

 

Yeah, I'm hoping he moves more toward last year, but I'm getting kind of worried.

[Keener98]

Moving the infield in, in the 4th inning, against a lefty, may just be the dumbest move Ive seen Lou make all year. Quit panicking Lou. Hell why not walk Duncan to face Nick Stavinoah(a righty who sucks) and set the team up for a dp(which he hit into)? Lou is panicking about the team not scoring runs, and its [expletive] May.