Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[Old Style]

There really are a bunch of arrogant a-holes on here.

[Keener98]

There really are a bunch of arrogant a-holes on here.

 

Lol where in the hell did this come from :-k

[BigbadB]

Thing is, if Peavy really wants to just come here and nowhere else, who is stopping him from completely playing hardball. What loyalty does he have to the Padres in this? He knows they have to move him. He knows the team sucks. He can tell them to screw off and only move him here if he wants. He doesn't have to help them in getting a better package.

 

That's if Peavy really only wants to come here.

 

Wow this is a shallow way to look at things. Peavy has only had one GM and thats Towers. We dont know what kind of relationship he has with Towers. The way you are describing the situation its like saying if Wood wanted to go to the Yankees when he was a FA, do you honestly think Wood would've told Hendry screw this trade me to the yankees. Unlike some people, Peavy probably feels he owes it to the Padres to help them out a little. Just because Peavy doesn't speak up and say screw this trade me, doesn't me he wants to be a Cub. Its not a question about Loyalty, its a question about professionalism and respect.

 

No, that is not how things work in the real world. Peavy signed his extension with the impression the Padres would build a team that had a chance to contend every year. The Padres failed miserably with that. Then, they decided that Peavy needed to be traded to meet a restricted payroll.

 

Peavy owes nothing to the Padres organization and he should have zero reason to show professionalism or respect to the team that failed to meet their end of the bargain.

[Butterscup1679666578]

There really are a bunch of arrogant a-holes on here.

 

Lol where in the hell did this come from :-k

 

hahah

[laurens]

There really are a bunch of arrogant a-holes on here.

 

It took you over 2 years to come to that conclusion?

[C.C.]

There really are a bunch of arrogant a-holes on here.

:-({|=

[Keener98]

Thing is, if Peavy really wants to just come here and nowhere else, who is stopping him from completely playing hardball. What loyalty does he have to the Padres in this? He knows they have to move him. He knows the team sucks. He can tell them to screw off and only move him here if he wants. He doesn't have to help them in getting a better package.

 

That's if Peavy really only wants to come here.

 

Wow this is a shallow way to look at things. Peavy has only had one GM and thats Towers. We dont know what kind of relationship he has with Towers. The way you are describing the situation its like saying if Wood wanted to go to the Yankees when he was a FA, do you honestly think Wood would've told Hendry screw this trade me to the yankees. Unlike some people, Peavy probably feels he owes it to the Padres to help them out a little. Just because Peavy doesn't speak up and say screw this trade me, doesn't me he wants to be a Cub. Its not a question about Loyalty, its a question about professionalism and respect.

 

 

While all that is true, Peavy could also use the respect angle against the Padres as well. They signed him to this deal how long ago, and now are trying to trade him. Peavy could feel like he owes them nothing since they are the ones who openly put him on the market, he didnt demand anything.

[Sever82]

The Peavy talks are officially off. He is not going to the Cubs. Jim Hendry just confirmed that he told Kevin Towers that the volume of players the Cubs would have to give up, combined with taking on the remainder of Peavy's contract ($63 million) to make the deal happen was not the right decision for the Cubs organization at this time.

 

When asked if the Cubs could pursue Peavy in the future, Hendry said he had "no idea." But the team is moving forward.

 

More to come...

 

Dont know what to make of this cause i would assume if it was possible in the future Hendry would've said something like "Maybe" or its possible i guess. But it does look like the issue was cutting some payroll (Marquis) and the number of prospects. We'll see though but i agree with the fellow who said that if we trade Vitters, we're not going after Peavy. I am a bit annoyed that Derosa probably was a factor cause he only has one more year in his contract.

[CubinNY]

Committing $72 million to a pitcher with rumors of arm problems in exchange for your top prospect and the third-best 2b in the league last year is not a no-brainer.

When you have the "talent" of the Cubs prospects, it is as close to one as you can get.

 

Just trying to compete within the division thinking at it's finest.

[muntjack]

Committing $72 million to a pitcher with rumors of arm problems in exchange for your top prospect and the third-best 2b in the league last year is not a no-brainer.

 

 

 

Acquiring a perennial Cy Young candidate for a guy in A ball with wrist problems and a utility man with a career 97 OPS + is a no-brainer.

 

See what I did there?

 

Used an analogous but incorrect argument? yes, we all saw it.

 

Lol. There was nothing incorrect about my argument, just as there was nothing incorrect about yours, sir. You can participate in and add to a constructive discussion, or you can spin things in an attempt to validate your point of view. You simply choose the latter. Then you berate another (RyneDawson) for doing the same. I was simply trying to illustrate that.

[PrimeTime]

Please sign Bradley or Furcal to make this day better.

[BigbadB]

The Peavy talks are officially off. He is not going to the Cubs. Jim Hendry just confirmed that he told Kevin Towers that the volume of players the Cubs would have to give up, combined with taking on the remainder of Peavy's contract ($63 million) to make the deal happen was not the right decision for the Cubs organization at this time.

 

When asked if the Cubs could pursue Peavy in the future, Hendry said he had "no idea." But the team is moving forward.

 

More to come...

 

Dont know what to make of this cause i would assume if it was possible in the future Hendry would've said something like "Maybe" or its possible i guess. But it does look like the issue was cutting some payroll (Marquis) and the number of prospects. We'll see though but i agree with the fellow who said that if we trade Vitters, we're not going after Peavy. I am a bit annoyed that Derosa probably was a factor cause he only has one more year in his contract.

 

All I read into that is that Hendry doesn't want Towers to believe Hendry is bluffing. Towers is currently sitting there with mud on his face by demanding the world. Hendry will listen to him if he backs off the demands.

[ChiCubsFan]

The Peavy talks are officially off. He is not going to the Cubs. Jim Hendry just confirmed that he told Kevin Towers that the volume of players the Cubs would have to give up, combined with taking on the remainder of Peavy's contract ($63 million) to make the deal happen was not the right decision for the Cubs organization at this time.

 

When asked if the Cubs could pursue Peavy in the future, Hendry said he had "no idea." But the team is moving forward.

 

More to come...

 

Dont know what to make of this cause i would assume if it was possible in the future Hendry would've said something like "Maybe" or its possible i guess. But it does look like the issue was cutting some payroll (Marquis) and the number of prospects. We'll see though but i agree with the fellow who said that if we trade Vitters, we're not going after Peavy. I am a bit annoyed that Derosa probably was a factor cause he only has one more year in his contract.

 

Why should trading DeRosa not be a factor? He was a top 5 or so 2B in the league last year and would provide a lot of value to us if we were to sign an injury prone Bradley to play RF. He has a lot of value to us. He also will bring in at least a supplemental draft pick next year if not more.

[SouthSideRyan]

Hey Deuce, your thoughts on Reed Johnson throwing out his back diving into first (and getting out by a hair when running past the bag would have made him safe and tied the game) in Tampa last June?

 

I seriously remember thinking when that happened "I am going to remember this moment in case I ever talk to Deucebaseman again"

 

What are your thoughts on Jason Kendall destroying his bone stepping on first?

 

Touche....but should he have slid headfirst into the base and gotten there later? I think it's worth the risk.

 

You're wrong, sliding feet first was fastest in the clinical trials.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Committing $72 million to a pitcher with rumors of arm problems in exchange for your top prospect and the third-best 2b in the league last year is not a no-brainer.

 

 

 

Acquiring a perennial Cy Young candidate for a guy in A ball with wrist problems and a utility man with a career 97 OPS + is a no-brainer.

 

See what I did there?

 

Used an analogous but incorrect argument? yes, we all saw it.

 

Lol. There was nothing incorrect about my argument, just as there was nothing incorrect about yours, sir. You can participate in and add to a constructive discussion, or you can spin things in an attempt to validate your point of view. You simply choose the latter. Then you berate another (RyneDawson) for doing the same. I was simply trying to illustrate that.

 

The fact that there are two arguments proves that it's not a "no-brainer." There aren't two halves of possibility with "brainer" and "no-brainer" occupying equal halves.

 

And I didn't berate anyone.

[Old Style]

There really are a bunch of arrogant a-holes on here.

 

It took you over 2 years to come to that conclusion?

No, but the last few pages really made me remember why I don't post here very much.

[Cubswin11]

Thing is, if Peavy really wants to just come here and nowhere else, who is stopping him from completely playing hardball. What loyalty does he have to the Padres in this? He knows they have to move him. He knows the team sucks. He can tell them to screw off and only move him here if he wants. He doesn't have to help them in getting a better package.

 

That's if Peavy really only wants to come here.

 

Wow this is a shallow way to look at things. Peavy has only had one GM and thats Towers. We dont know what kind of relationship he has with Towers. The way you are describing the situation its like saying if Wood wanted to go to the Yankees when he was a FA, do you honestly think Wood would've told Hendry screw this trade me to the yankees. Unlike some people, Peavy probably feels he owes it to the Padres to help them out a little. Just because Peavy doesn't speak up and say screw this trade me, doesn't me he wants to be a Cub. Its not a question about Loyalty, its a question about professionalism and respect.

 

 

While all that is true, Peavy could also use the respect angle against the Padres as well. They signed him to this deal how long ago, and now are trying to trade him. Peavy could feel like he owes them nothing since they are the ones who openly put him on the market, he didnt demand anything.

Or he could be pissed at the organization for doing nothing to build a competitive ball club since he resigned. They were one of, if not the worst teams in baseball last year and are doing nothing to improves themselves in the immediate future and I doubt Peavy wants to be a part of it. A player of his caliber, reaching the prime/peak years of his career, probably doesn't want to be on a losing team for the next 5 years (which could likely be his best years).

[Sever82]

Thing is, if Peavy really wants to just come here and nowhere else, who is stopping him from completely playing hardball. What loyalty does he have to the Padres in this? He knows they have to move him. He knows the team sucks. He can tell them to screw off and only move him here if he wants. He doesn't have to help them in getting a better package.

 

That's if Peavy really only wants to come here.

 

Wow this is a shallow way to look at things. Peavy has only had one GM and thats Towers. We dont know what kind of relationship he has with Towers. The way you are describing the situation its like saying if Wood wanted to go to the Yankees when he was a FA, do you honestly think Wood would've told Hendry screw this trade me to the yankees. Unlike some people, Peavy probably feels he owes it to the Padres to help them out a little. Just because Peavy doesn't speak up and say screw this trade me, doesn't me he wants to be a Cub. Its not a question about Loyalty, its a question about professionalism and respect.

 

No, that is not how things work in the real world. Peavy signed his extension with the impression the Padres would build a team that had a chance to contend every year. The Padres failed miserably with that. Then, they decided that Peavy needed to be traded to meet a restricted payroll.

 

Peavy owes nothing to the Padres organization and he should have zero reason to show professionalism or respect to the team that failed to meet their end of the bargain.

 

 

No that is not how things work in the real world, not all of us are a-holes. Kerry Wood, Zambrano, Dempster, Ramirez showed some kind of loyalty. And how in the world do you know what was promised to Peavy? How do you know PEavy signed with the Padres because the Padres gave him the impression they would build around him? Maybe he just signed with SD because he was brought up in there system and because he lived in the area. "He should have Zero Reason" Wow talk about jumping to conclusions. This isn't the Kobe Bryant Situation where Kobe came out and said what was promised .People like you are missing the point that peavy never asked for a trade, he signed a contract when the padres were an average team, he never requested a trade this summer when the padres are coming off a horrible year. If it was such an issue for peavy he would've stood up and said something but he didnt, dont assume and act like you were part of the negotiations.

[Roast]

Woah, wait. I jsut got back from my girlfriends place and now the deal is dead?

 

What a veterans committee day.

[David]

Thing is, if Peavy really wants to just come here and nowhere else, who is stopping him from completely playing hardball. What loyalty does he have to the Padres in this?

 

he's under contract. his "loyalty" is in honoring his commitment to the team.

 

And he knows they have to move him.

 

If they don't, he can keep pitching for them and not uproot himself.

[BigbadB]

Thing is, if Peavy really wants to just come here and nowhere else, who is stopping him from completely playing hardball. What loyalty does he have to the Padres in this? He knows they have to move him. He knows the team sucks. He can tell them to screw off and only move him here if he wants. He doesn't have to help them in getting a better package.

 

That's if Peavy really only wants to come here.

 

Wow this is a shallow way to look at things. Peavy has only had one GM and thats Towers. We dont know what kind of relationship he has with Towers. The way you are describing the situation its like saying if Wood wanted to go to the Yankees when he was a FA, do you honestly think Wood would've told Hendry screw this trade me to the yankees. Unlike some people, Peavy probably feels he owes it to the Padres to help them out a little. Just because Peavy doesn't speak up and say screw this trade me, doesn't me he wants to be a Cub. Its not a question about Loyalty, its a question about professionalism and respect.

 

No, that is not how things work in the real world. Peavy signed his extension with the impression the Padres would build a team that had a chance to contend every year. The Padres failed miserably with that. Then, they decided that Peavy needed to be traded to meet a restricted payroll.

 

Peavy owes nothing to the Padres organization and he should have zero reason to show professionalism or respect to the team that failed to meet their end of the bargain.

 

 

No that is not how things work in the real world, not all of us are a-holes. Kerry Wood, Zambrano, Dempster, Ramirez showed some kind of loyalty. And how in the world do you know what was promised to Peavy? How do you know PEavy signed with the Padres because the Padres gave him the impression they would build around him? Maybe he just signed with SD because he was brought up in there system and because he lived in the area. "He should have Zero Reason" Wow talk about jumping to conclusions. This isn't the Kobe Bryant Situation where Kobe came out and said what was promised .People like you are missing the point that peavy never asked for a trade, he signed a contract when the padres were an average team, he never requested a trade this summer when the padres are coming off a horrible year. If it was such an issue for peavy he would've stood up and said something but he didnt, dont assume and act like you were part of the negotiations.

 

Check again. The Padres were not an "average team" when he signed that extension. They finished 1st, 1st and then got beat out in a one game playoff for the wild card in their last 3 seasons prior to signing that extension.

 

If Peavy knew they were going to have a fire sale, I'm sure he wouldn't have signed the extension.

 

And what do you mean, "people like me"? I know an awful lot about Peavy, since I watch him pitch pretty regularly and listen to local sports radio. He's equal to Zambrano in fire and intensity. Peavy wants to win and it was expected that the Padres wanted to win when they offered him that extension. Peavy got duped by the Padres. He has zero reason to be loyal at this point. And I think he's already proven that he doesn't owe the Padres anything by limiting the amount of teams he's willing to be traded to, to basically just one.

[UMFan83]

Hey Deuce, your thoughts on Reed Johnson throwing out his back diving into first (and getting out by a hair when running past the bag would have made him safe and tied the game) in Tampa last June?

 

I seriously remember thinking when that happened "I am going to remember this moment in case I ever talk to Deucebaseman again"

 

What are your thoughts on Jason Kendall destroying his bone stepping on first?

 

Touche....but should he have slid headfirst into the base and gotten there later? I think it's worth the risk.

 

You're wrong, sliding feet first was fastest in the clinical trials.

 

Dammit, I should have read the study report more carefully.

[haubrich91]

Josh Vitters better be the next A-Rod. I kid, I kid.

 

Kind of mad about this, but at the same time not really. We have to get that right fielder right now. Give us something to be happy about.

[UMFan83]

Woah, wait. I jsut got back from my girlfriends place and now the deal is dead?

 

What a veterans committee day.

 

Are you honestly surprised?

[RyneDawson]

Yes I am DeuceBaseman, and I pleaded to get my name back, but they won't have any of it. And apparently I just got warned for being mean. And I don't believe everyone should slide into 1st. All I'm saying is that from the naked eye, I thought sliding feet first looked faster than running through the bag. So I conducted a study in college and based on my sample size and my study, I concluded that it was faster to slide feet first. Do I think it's more dangerous? Not necessarily, unless you don't know how to slide or you slide too early or late. But people step wrong on the bag all the time and hurt themselves. But we're not talking about that here. We're talking about Peavy, and how I think its very bad that we backed out of the deal. You gotta give up something to get something. And if Vitters, DeRosa, Hart, and Pie are too much for a top 3 pitcher in all of baseball, then I would never trade a player. I just really wish we could hear all the details of this deal, but unfortunately we probably never will since Hendry can't talk about other teams' players. I still hope we trade Marquis, sign Bradley, and revisit talks with SD. Edited December 11, 2008 by RyneDawson