Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[jersey cubs fan]

What contenders have a rotation whose second and third starters are that big of question marks?

 

Umm. All of 'em.

 

No way. Harden and Dempster are special cases. Harden is a guaranteed injury and Dempster had as shocking a good year as anybody out there.

[C.C.]

Because quantity matters? You can't just go throwing away every player you don't like. They still have value

 

Yes, In getting Jake Peavy.

[jersey cubs fan]

But given that I agree the rotation has a chance to step back, I think the offense with a real RFer will be more than enough to win 90+ games with a merely decent rotation, and this division is awful, and there's a chance for the rotation to be much better than decent.

 

 

Yeah unless were hit with a ton of injuries, this team is a 90 plus win team again. Bradley production or whoever will be better then Edmonds when you factor in AB's and games. Plus lets not forget Soriano missed 50 games last year, with mostly a freak injury. Having him for more games will also help, and make up some for DeRosa dropping off some power wise. As for Theriot I don't see a major decline I still think he hits 290s, 350s-360s with 720s or so OPS. This team might not be 33 games above 500 again next year, but I think we will easily be 18-20 games above 500.

 

I wouldn't be so sure of that.

[BigbadB]

Ok, if the rumors are true, and Towers was asking for six or seven players...

 

DeRosa, Marshall, Vitters, Pie, Cedeno, Hart and Guzman have all been repeatedly connected to this deal. If that's actually the deal, I'm inclined to think Hendry did the right thing by stepping away.

 

i would not miss any of those players.

 

Well, if that's the case, why don't we go ahead and throw in 10 more guys as well and REALLY make sure we get this deal done?

 

Why are you so hung up on quantity? They aren't good players. If you are offering the core, what difference does it make who the 7th and 8th guys are.

 

Because the 7th and 8th guys might be the guys who could acquire someone like Hermida instead of paying big bucks for Bradley, which in turn could allow you to spend those big bucks on someone like Furcal.

[cubsfan26]

What contenders have a rotation whose second and third starters are that big of question marks?

 

Umm. All of 'em.

 

Didn't the Phillies just win a World Series with that rotation?

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What contenders have a rotation whose second and third starters are that big of question marks?

 

Umm. All of 'em.

 

Okay, so name a contender whose numbers 2 and 3 starters are as likely to get hurt and regress as Harden and Dempster

[Post Count Padder]

Towers has little to no leverage. People really need to stop acting like Hendry should've just taken his take it or leave it offer. Towers is in no position to back up any take it or leave it garbage. Saying the talks are over is a bluff, pure and simple.

Here's the way I see it:

 

Padres can't really afford to keep Peavy.

Towers knows this

Peavy really only wants to go to the Cubs, maybe a West Coast team.

 

Eventually Towers is gonna realize he has to do something and cave in. It's a matter of time, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[jersey cubs fan]

Because quantity matters? You can't just go throwing away every player you don't like. They still have value

 

Not much. Most of those guys are just going to fade into oblivion. If you can use them as trade bait for quality, you do it.

[BigbadB]

What contenders have a rotation whose second and third starters are that big of question marks?

 

Umm. All of 'em.

 

Didn't the Phillies just win a World Series with that rotation?

 

Yup. I rest my case.

[abuck1220]

Ok, if the rumors are true, and Towers was asking for six or seven players...

 

DeRosa, Marshall, Vitters, Pie, Cedeno, Hart and Guzman have all been repeatedly connected to this deal. If that's actually the deal, I'm inclined to think Hendry did the right thing by stepping away.

 

i would not miss any of those players.

 

Well, if that's the case, why don't we go ahead and throw in 10 more guys as well and REALLY make sure we get this deal done?

 

Why are you so hung up on quantity? They aren't good players. If you are offering the core, what difference does it make who the 7th and 8th guys are.

 

Because the 7th and 8th guys might be the guys who could acquire someone like Hermida instead of paying big bucks for Bradley, which in turn could allow you to spend those big bucks on someone like Furcal.

 

the 7th and 8th best prospects in the cubs terrible farm system is not going to get hermida. come on. if kevin hart and ronny cedeno are deal breakers, you don't think twice about it. you could replace them both in one second.

[jersey cubs fan]

What contenders have a rotation whose second and third starters are that big of question marks?

 

Umm. All of 'em.

 

Didn't the Phillies just win a World Series with that rotation?

 

Yup. I rest my case.

 

Give the Cubs hitters in the class of philly and you'd have a point.

[Banedon]

Ok, if the rumors are true, and Towers was asking for six or seven players...

 

DeRosa, Marshall, Vitters, Pie, Cedeno, Hart and Guzman have all been repeatedly connected to this deal. If that's actually the deal, I'm inclined to think Hendry did the right thing by stepping away.

 

i would not miss any of those players.

 

The point is, why buy at full price when you can pick it up discounted later? This is a poker game, and Hendry is gambling that he can get Peavy cheaper, and I imagine he's right.

[jersey cubs fan]

Because the 7th and 8th guys might be the guys who could acquire someone like Hermida

 

 

Are you kidding me?

[17 Seconds]

What contenders have a rotation whose second and third starters are that big of question marks?

 

Umm. All of 'em.

 

Didn't the Phillies just win a World Series with that rotation?

 

Yup. I rest my case.

 

So because the Phillies won the World Series with a mediocre rotation, it would be okay for the Cubs rotation to be mediocre.

 

Awesome.

[abuck1220]

Ok, if the rumors are true, and Towers was asking for six or seven players...

 

DeRosa, Marshall, Vitters, Pie, Cedeno, Hart and Guzman have all been repeatedly connected to this deal. If that's actually the deal, I'm inclined to think Hendry did the right thing by stepping away.

 

i would not miss any of those players.

 

The point is, why buy at full price when you can pick it up discounted later? This is a poker game, and Hendry is gambling that he can get Peavy cheaper, and imagine he's right.

 

yippy skippy, we'll get to keep kevin hart, a mediocre AAA middle reliever. won't that be great.

[Joe_Cub]

Ok, if the rumors are true, and Towers was asking for six or seven players...

 

DeRosa, Marshall, Vitters, Pie, Cedeno, Hart and Guzman have all been repeatedly connected to this deal. If that's actually the deal, I'm inclined to think Hendry did the right thing by stepping away.

 

i would not miss any of those players.

 

i wouldn't mind hanging on to Marshall for future use, but the rest can go

[YearofDaCubs]

I have a problem with DeRosa being included. The last thing we need is to get rid of a good player who happened to show up in the playoffs unlike his other teammates. Who do we replace him with? Fontenot IMO isn't good enough. I don't care what DeRosa's age is. The main focus for the Cubs is to win the world series, how are we going to do that with a lesser offense?

[davearm2]

What contenders have a rotation whose second and third starters are that big of question marks?

 

Umm. All of 'em.

Certainly most, anyway.

 

All of the NL Central for sure.

 

Brett Myers as a #2 is surely a questionmark. As are John Maine and Javier Vazquez.

 

Is Kershaw the Dodgers #2 now behind Billingsley, with Lowe and Penny gone? Huge upside but definitely a questionmark.

[17 Seconds]

Ok, if the rumors are true, and Towers was asking for six or seven players...

 

DeRosa, Marshall, Vitters, Pie, Cedeno, Hart and Guzman have all been repeatedly connected to this deal. If that's actually the deal, I'm inclined to think Hendry did the right thing by stepping away.

 

i would not miss any of those players.

 

The point is, why buy at full price when you can pick it up discounted later? This is a poker game, and Hendry is gambling that he can get Peavy cheaper, and imagine he's right.

 

yippy skippy, we'll get to keep kevin hart, a mediocre AAA middle reliever. won't that be great.

 

Or he'll get to keep Marshall and Cedeno. Or DeRosa and Marshall. Or DeRosa and Pie.

[Joe_Cub]

Because quantity matters? You can't just go throwing away every player you don't like. They still have value

 

Yes, In getting Jake Peavy.

 

qft!

[jersey cubs fan]

Ok, if the rumors are true, and Towers was asking for six or seven players...

 

DeRosa, Marshall, Vitters, Pie, Cedeno, Hart and Guzman have all been repeatedly connected to this deal. If that's actually the deal, I'm inclined to think Hendry did the right thing by stepping away.

 

i would not miss any of those players.

 

The point is, why buy at full price when you can pick it up discounted later? This is a poker game, and Hendry is gambling that he can get Peavy cheaper, and I imagine he's right.

 

Except the only reason he's even able to be in this discussion is becasue Peavy's inexplicable Cubs only demand. Imagine that fades? Then you've got no leverage. When have the Cubs ever been in a position to be the only team a star player would accept a trade to? It's a gift from the heavens that they had a month to bargain with that chip.

[BigbadB]

What contenders have a rotation whose second and third starters are that big of question marks?

 

Umm. All of 'em.

 

Okay, so name a contender whose numbers 2 and 3 starters are as likely to get hurt and regress as Harden and Dempster

 

Haha. Yeah, right. I'll get right on that. Any player can get hurt or regress.

[YearofDaCubs]

Ok, if the rumors are true, and Towers was asking for six or seven players...

 

DeRosa, Marshall, Vitters, Pie, Cedeno, Hart and Guzman have all been repeatedly connected to this deal. If that's actually the deal, I'm inclined to think Hendry did the right thing by stepping away.

 

i would not miss any of those players.

 

Well, if that's the case, why don't we go ahead and throw in 10 more guys as well and REALLY make sure we get this deal done?

 

Why are you so hung up on quantity? They aren't good players. If you are offering the core, what difference does it make who the 7th and 8th guys are.

 

Because the 7th and 8th guys might be the guys who could acquire someone like Hermida instead of paying big bucks for Bradley, which in turn could allow you to spend those big bucks on someone like Furcal.

Hermida trade isn't happening. They are asking for top prospects and we don't have any of those(except for Vitters). We need to be realistic with what we have and what we're capable of doing. Marlins are in no hurry to move Hermida anyway since they moved Willingham to the Nats.

[jersey cubs fan]

I have a problem with DeRosa being included. The last thing we need is to get rid of a good player who happened to show up in the playoffs unlike his other teammates. Who do we replace him with? Fontenot IMO isn't good enough. I don't care what DeRosa's age is. The main focus for the Cubs is to win the world series, how are we going to do that with a lesser offense?

 

Derosa is a nice player but he's not nearly good enough to hold up a trade for far better player. He's replacable, and just because you don't care about his age doesn't mean that it's not an issue.

[Butterscup1679666578]

If our 7th and 8th best prospects are landing us Jeremy Hermida, then our farm system is a hell of a lot better than I thought.