MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[hardcorecubfan]

FYI Buster Olney was on Mike & Mike and now thinks Roberts will be a Cub by the Trade Deadline. Is this thing gonna drag on for 9 or 10 months?

 

did he mention of what year he was refering to?

[ThePenguin11]

FYI Buster Olney was on Mike & Mike and now thinks Roberts will be a Cub by the Trade Deadline. Is this thing gonna drag on for 9 or 10 months?

 

Are you telling me July 31 is still 9 or 10 months away??!?!?!? My birthday is July 22nd and I was hoping it would be much sooner than that. It's going to feel like 16 or 17 months since my last birthday by then.

 

the new trade deadline is October 31

 

 

 

 

October 31? It could take like 12-13 months for that to come! I can't wait for that!

 

1. Nov 2. Dec 3. Jan 4. Feb 5. March 6. April 7. May 8. June 9. July

 

I did not say another 9 or 10 months.

 

Sorry. I was just having fun. Not trying to start any fights. We've got enough of that going on here. July always makes me think of my birthday. I'm quite selfish. I don't even think of America's birthday. Just mine. I'll send a card though.

[JWCUB]

FYI Buster Olney was on Mike & Mike and now thinks Roberts will be a Cub by the Trade Deadline. Is this thing gonna drag on for 9 or 10 months?

 

Are you telling me July 31 is still 9 or 10 months away??!?!?!? My birthday is July 22nd and I was hoping it would be much sooner than that. It's going to feel like 16 or 17 months since my last birthday by then.

 

the new trade deadline is October 31

 

 

 

 

October 31? It could take like 12-13 months for that to come! I can't wait for that!

 

1. Nov 2. Dec 3. Jan 4. Feb 5. March 6. April 7. May 8. June 9. July

 

I did not say another 9 or 10 months.

 

Sorry. I was just having fun. Not trying to start any fights. We've got enough of that going on here. July always makes me think of my birthday. I'm quite selfish. I don't even think of America's birthday. Just mine. I'll send a card though.

 

I over reacted a bit as well. I think we all just want the season to start already. With or without Roberts. It has been a long long winter.

[Andy]

Stupid metric system.

Jackie Moon: I'm not familiar with the metric system, or any other foreign languages.

[David]

LOL

 

By the trade deadline now. Wow. This is beyond ridiculous.

[Sammy Sofa]

LOL

 

By the trade deadline now. Wow. This is beyond ridiculous.

 

THIS.

 

IS.

 

BALTIMORE.

[UBlink]

I seriously considered not posting in this thread. Believe me, I really did seriously consider it.

[CuseCubFan69]

I seriously considered not posting in this thread. Believe me, I really did seriously consider it.

 

You might feel dirty when you wake up tomorrow and this will be the reason why.

[cubfan1955]

I would surmise that the reason soriano scored more runs that roberts is because he was in a superior lineup. The o's lineup was made up of an overaging group. Even Tejada has fallen off over time. The only real way to know would be to see roberts in the top spot w/ this lineup behind him...including soriano. It is very clear that Soriano's running ability has been compromised based on last year's numbers & this year's accounts of his health in camp. Roberts is in the prime of his career as shown last year w/ 51 steals & a high .300's obp. I never said anything about hitting soriano 6th. In fact, i would put fuko second & soriano third w/ followed by lee & ramirez. I think we'd have as good a 1-5 as any in baseball & score many runs for our 3-5 pitchers that will need every run we can muster. Here's to hoping we get roberts for as little as possible, the soriano's leg comes around & that derosa's health issues come to resolution. We will need all the improving we can get in order to break the 100-yr cycle.

 

I used the Lineup Analysis tool at Baseball Musings: http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/LineupAnalysis.py

 

If you take the Cubs splits from 2007 for the 2nd through 9th spots in the order and plug in Soriano's numbers in the leadoff spot, you get 4.712 runs per game, which equals 763 runs over the course of a 162 game season. It's not that far off considering the Cubs scored 752 last year. If you take the same splits for the Cubs but substitute Roberts' numbers for Soriano's, you also get 4.712 runs per game. Probably a bit of a crude method, but to me it shows that a .377/.432 line out of the leadoff spot is not going to yield a significant number of runs over what a .337/.560 line would, even if you factor speed into the equation.

 

So what do you get when you plug Roberts into the leadoff spot and plug Soriano's numbers into the 2 thru 9 position?

[Outshined_One]

LOL

 

By the trade deadline now. Wow. This is beyond ridiculous.

 

THIS.

 

IS.

 

BALTIMORE.

 

I'm eating a Chick-Fil-A grilled chicken sandwich with honey BBQ sauce.

 

THIS.

 

IS.

 

DELICIOUS!

[wvcbxl]

So what do you get when you plug Roberts into the leadoff spot and plug Soriano's numbers into the 2 thru 9 position?

 

Fiction?

[CuseCubFan69]

So what do you get when you plug Roberts into the leadoff spot and plug Soriano's numbers into the 2 thru 9 position?

 

Fiction?

 

Ha...Pulp Fiction if this thread gets to 300!

[fromthestretch]

I would surmise that the reason soriano scored more runs that roberts is because he was in a superior lineup. The o's lineup was made up of an overaging group. Even Tejada has fallen off over time. The only real way to know would be to see roberts in the top spot w/ this lineup behind him...including soriano. It is very clear that Soriano's running ability has been compromised based on last year's numbers & this year's accounts of his health in camp. Roberts is in the prime of his career as shown last year w/ 51 steals & a high .300's obp. I never said anything about hitting soriano 6th. In fact, i would put fuko second & soriano third w/ followed by lee & ramirez. I think we'd have as good a 1-5 as any in baseball & score many runs for our 3-5 pitchers that will need every run we can muster. Here's to hoping we get roberts for as little as possible, the soriano's leg comes around & that derosa's health issues come to resolution. We will need all the improving we can get in order to break the 100-yr cycle.

 

I used the Lineup Analysis tool at Baseball Musings: http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/LineupAnalysis.py

 

If you take the Cubs splits from 2007 for the 2nd through 9th spots in the order and plug in Soriano's numbers in the leadoff spot, you get 4.712 runs per game, which equals 763 runs over the course of a 162 game season. It's not that far off considering the Cubs scored 752 last year. If you take the same splits for the Cubs but substitute Roberts' numbers for Soriano's, you also get 4.712 runs per game. Probably a bit of a crude method, but to me it shows that a .377/.432 line out of the leadoff spot is not going to yield a significant number of runs over what a .337/.560 line would, even if you factor speed into the equation.

 

So what do you get when you plug Roberts into the leadoff spot and plug Soriano's numbers into the 2 thru 9 position?

 

My response was to his claim that Soriano only scored more runs due to a superior lineup. I used the Lineup Analysis tool to show that there isn't much of a difference between Soriano leading off and Roberts leading off. Soriano's clear advantage in slugging pretty much makes up for Roberts' advantage in OBP. The question remains, would Roberts leading off and Soriano in the middle of the order be better than Soriano leading off and Roberts batting second? Probably, but I doubt the difference between the two lineups would be very big.

[CyHawk_Cub]

I've been debating whether or not to use this new "foe" feature. I think it's time.

 

It's a pretty useful feature. Thank to Tim, et al for enabling this...

[Bull]

I've been debating whether or not to use this new "foe" feature. I think it's time.

 

It's a pretty useful feature. Thank to Tim, et al for enabling this...

 

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading this board over the past few days having employed this wonderful function.

 

I've never "ignored" anyone before, but it did shrink the pagination of this thread by about 105 pages.

[cubfan1955]

I would surmise that the reason soriano scored more runs that roberts is because he was in a superior lineup. The o's lineup was made up of an overaging group. Even Tejada has fallen off over time. The only real way to know would be to see roberts in the top spot w/ this lineup behind him...including soriano. It is very clear that Soriano's running ability has been compromised based on last year's numbers & this year's accounts of his health in camp. Roberts is in the prime of his career as shown last year w/ 51 steals & a high .300's obp. I never said anything about hitting soriano 6th. In fact, i would put fuko second & soriano third w/ followed by lee & ramirez. I think we'd have as good a 1-5 as any in baseball & score many runs for our 3-5 pitchers that will need every run we can muster. Here's to hoping we get roberts for as little as possible, the soriano's leg comes around & that derosa's health issues come to resolution. We will need all the improving we can get in order to break the 100-yr cycle.

 

I used the Lineup Analysis tool at Baseball Musings: http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/LineupAnalysis.py

 

If you take the Cubs splits from 2007 for the 2nd through 9th spots in the order and plug in Soriano's numbers in the leadoff spot, you get 4.712 runs per game, which equals 763 runs over the course of a 162 game season. It's not that far off considering the Cubs scored 752 last year. If you take the same splits for the Cubs but substitute Roberts' numbers for Soriano's, you also get 4.712 runs per game. Probably a bit of a crude method, but to me it shows that a .377/.432 line out of the leadoff spot is not going to yield a significant number of runs over what a .337/.560 line would, even if you factor speed into the equation.

 

So what do you get when you plug Roberts into the leadoff spot and plug Soriano's numbers into the 2 thru 9 position?

 

My response was to his claim that Soriano only scored more runs due to a superior lineup. I used the Lineup Analysis tool to show that there isn't much of a difference between Soriano leading off and Roberts leading off. Soriano's clear advantage in slugging pretty much makes up for Roberts' advantage in OBP. The question remains, would Roberts leading off and Soriano in the middle of the order be better than Soriano leading off and Roberts batting second? Probably, but I doubt the difference between the two lineups would be very big.

 

I think it would be a nice dilemma to have. I know Sorianio's numbers have been a little better from the leadoff spot and this could be debated forever. If he hits 40 homers from the 4-6 spots he's going to have more RBI's than if he hits 40 homers while batting leadoff. I guess it depends on whether you believe he'll hit worse from down in the order. Personally I think if he was moved down and left there he would be a force and I would not mind seeing him hit between Lee and Aram. Pitchers would have to throw hittable pitches to one of them. If we don't get Roberts, and I don't believe we will, I'd leave him in the leadoff spot because without Roberts there is no one else nearly as good at it as he is. This is all just an opinion though. No sources to prove any of it.

[seattlecub]

why not put pie in #9, pitcher in #8. Pie will benefit from hitting in front of soriano, soriano will get more RBI opportunities

[Bull]

why not put pie in #9, pitcher in #8. Pie will benefit from hitting in front of soriano, soriano will get more RBI opportunities

 

Then Soriano won't "feel" like he's hitting 1st. It'll throw off his mojo. It'll also drop his OPS.

 

Ok, now I'm just being bad.

[imb]

Jesus Christ, dude. Whatever. I'm done with this. There is a 3 year old girl missing in my neighborhood right now and you want to win a pissing contest I really never should have bothered entering. ROBERTS IS A MARGINAL UPGRADE OVER DEROSA regardless of da 3 year difference in age, da difference in their WARP, OPS+, da length of their hair and any other stat you want to throw out there. I'm done with this.

 

The patron saint of NSBB has spoken. Nice work, IMB. =D>

 

i'm just saying. if you can't control yourself, then....

[CubsGM]

LOL

 

By the trade deadline now. Wow. This is beyond ridiculous.

 

THIS.

 

IS.

 

BALTIMORE.

 

I'm eating a Chick-Fil-A grilled chicken sandwich with honey BBQ sauce.

 

THIS.

 

IS.

 

DELICIOUS!

I'm watching "300"

 

THIS.

 

IS.

 

SPARTA.

[wrigley23]

Pie does not get on base & for this reason may be his ultimate undoing...see one corey patterson.

[Derwood]

Pie does not get on base & for this reason may be his ultimate undoing...see one corey patterson.

 

who is this even in response to? #-o

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Pie does not get on base & for this reason may be his ultimate undoing...see one corey patterson.

 

who is this even in response to? #-o

thanks, I would have missed that if it weren't for you

[Derwood]

Pie does not get on base & for this reason may be his ultimate undoing...see one corey patterson.

 

who is this even in response to? #-o

thanks, I would have missed that if it weren't for you

 

i'm not convinced that wrigley23 is the equivalent of an AIM bot. it's just a computer program that occasionally posts something without regard to the rest of the posts

[imb]

LOL

 

By the trade deadline now. Wow. This is beyond ridiculous.

 

THIS.

 

IS.

 

BALTIMORE.

 

I'm eating a Chick-Fil-A grilled chicken sandwich with honey BBQ sauce.

 

THIS.

 

IS.

 

DELICIOUS!

I'm watching "300"

 

THIS.

 

IS.

 

SPARTA.

 

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh i get it now