MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[wrigley23]

i didn't say career & neither did you. You were wrong. Roberts is a big upgrade at leadoff because he gets on base more and it's like adding a hitter to the lineup as well w/ soriano moving down. If he gets nervous driving runners in then maybe $18 mill/yr & a potential world series bid for a team that has not won it in 100 yrs may serve as some sort of motivation. As far as trading Pie & gallagher for roberts...i doubt pie will be starting beyond the first month of the year with or without roberts & gallagher will not either. When you trade for starting players in the major leagues you have to give up talented minor leaguers. Pie is entering the Corey Patterson zone w/no ability to get on base & even less of actually knowing the ins & outs of a major league strikezone. There is a reason the brutal marlon byrd was targeted for center & may still end up wearing a bear on his sleeve.

[zamiano]

[Yes, I realize it's because of the leadoff argument, but leadoff is not a position. Second base is a position.

 

Yes, it's your position in the batting order. Setting a good lineup is just as important as setting a good defense. Let's take this lineup:

 

Ramirez-3b

Pitcher

Theriot-ss

Pie-cf

DeRosa-2b

Soriano-lf

Soto-c

Lee-1b

Fukudome-rf

 

I'm sure that'd work just fine. Nice speed at the top, great power in the middle, I love it personally.

[Bote McBoteface]

What does this Wrigley23 guy have against Sammy?

 

Always bashing Sammy...just leave him alone, man.

[Bote McBoteface]

[Yes, I realize it's because of the leadoff argument, but leadoff is not a position. Second base is a position.

 

Yes, it's your position in the batting order. Setting a good lineup is just as important as setting a good defense. Let's take this lineup:

 

Ramirez-3b

Pitcher

Theriot-ss

Pie-cf

DeRosa-2b

Soriano-lf

Soto-c

Lee-1b

Fukudome-rf

 

I'm sure that'd work just fine. Nice speed at the top, great power in the middle, I love it personally.

 

The "batting order doesn't matter" argument works on the assumption that the manager is not mentally [expletive].

[wrigley23]

spin....closer isn't a position either but all teams have one or are seeking one. same goes for a "set up man", a #1 starter, etc.....

[wrigley23]

for those that think soriano should hit before roberts....do you also think ryan howard should lead off for the phillies & then have utley hit behind him? What about Beltran leading off & reyes hitting behind him? Arod leads off for the yanks & johnny damon hitting him in? The argument is so flawed it is incredible.

[zamiano]

The "batting order doesn't matter" argument works on the assumption that the manager is not mentally [expletive].

 

Not many people know this, but Affirmative Action has led to the first mentally [expletive] person being employed as a Major League manager. You all know him as Dusty, I think. :|

[98navigator]

The "batting order doesn't matter" argument works on the assumption that the manager is not mentally [expletive].

 

Not many people know this, but Affirmative Action has led to the first mentally [expletive] person being employed as a Major League manager. You all know him as Dusty, I think. :|

WTH is this?

[zamiano]

The "batting order doesn't matter" argument works on the assumption that the manager is not mentally [expletive].

 

Not many people know this, but Affirmative Action has led to the first mentally [expletive] person being employed as a Major League manager. You all know him as Dusty, I think. :|

WTH is this?

 

I wasn't trying to be racist in any way. I meant as a bi-product of Affirmative action (also a joke, HA, HA, HA ----> :lol: ), a mentally [expletive] person was employed by the chicago cubs, and Sf giants, and now the reds, dusty baker.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Hey guys, I was just wondering if you could point me in the direction of the Human Resources office. I'm really hoping to become a professional message board poster, and I want to pass along my resume.

[17 Seconds]

i didn't say career & neither did you.

 

No, I wasn't. You said "he gets on base 40 points better than Soriano", which is a blanket statement that leadsp ople to believe that's been the case over his entire career. He got on base 40 points higher than Soriano in 2007. What about 2006? Do those stats not count? Why do you automatically assume players will put up idenitcal numbers as last year? Does Green hit for more power than Ramirez too?

[17 Seconds]

[Yes, I realize it's because of the leadoff argument, but leadoff is not a position. Second base is a position.

 

Yes, it's your position in the batting order. Setting a good lineup is just as important as setting a good defense. Let's take this lineup:

 

Ramirez-3b

Pitcher

Theriot-ss

Pie-cf

DeRosa-2b

Soriano-lf

Soto-c

Lee-1b

Fukudome-rf

 

I'm sure that'd work just fine. Nice speed at the top, great power in the middle, I love it personally.

 

Lay off the hyperbole pal. Anyways, I think that "setting a good lineup" entails putting players where they perform the best.

[17 Seconds]

for those that think soriano should hit before roberts....do you also think ryan howard should lead off for the phillies & then have utley hit behind him? What about Beltran leading off & reyes hitting behind him? Arod leads off for the yanks & johnny damon hitting him in? The argument is so flawed it is incredible.

 

Good god. You used those examples multiple times in the past and I've explained to you every time why they are poor example.

 

Ryan Howard has shown he can produce in the middle of the lineup.

 

Carlos Beltran has shown he can produce in the middle of the lineup.

 

Alfonso Soriano has not shown he can produce in the middle of the lineup.

 

Seriously, part of me almost wants Soriano to be moved down just so you can get a first hand glimpse of what a bad idea it is, before he's finally moved back to leadoff in June. Then you'd THINK we'd finally be able to put this idea to bed.

[brinoch]

Let's ignore where Roberts would bat in the order for a moment, and compare the difference in offensive production (and Defensive prowess if you'd like) between Roberts and DeRosa. What would that mean for the team? Frankly I'm tired of reading about Roberts vs. Soriano in the lead-off spot. Gah! Who cares! Soriano will still be in the lineup with Roberts -- it's DeRosa who would be on the bench.

[17 Seconds]

Let's ignore where Roberts would bat in the order for a moment, and compare the difference in offensive production (and Defensive prowess if you'd like) between Roberts and DeRosa. What would that mean for the team? Frankly I'm tired of reading about Roberts vs. Soriano in the lead-off spot. Gah! Who cares! Soriano will still be in the lineup with Roberts -- it's DeRosa who would be on the bench.

 

Shhh. Logic is not tolerated in this thread.

[wrigley23]

so you are cheering for the chicago soriano's? we are supposed to simply set the entire lineup for soriano? why? so he can have the best year he can? so he can "feel better"? is that what is best for the team? how far did that get us last year? what if soriano decides he'd "feel better" playing 2B? move him & his 30 errors there? Soriano seems to be coming around in that he has offered to move down in the order if lou feels it is best for the team. I would say he is more comfortable with it then you state. His .330 obp & 21 steals were not good enough to advance us in the playoffs last year. Nor were those numbers indicative of the top leadoff players in the game. i personally love him in the 2-hole behind roberts if we are fortunate enough. fuko 3rd followed by lee, ramirez. A strong order would do wonders for the holes that currently exist on this team. I feel we lack a strong top 3 in the rotation which is what you need in the playoffs, a closer & centerfield/ss are weak positions. I think a couple of these things need shored up or we will be fortunate to win the division let alone advance in the playoffs. I look for the brewers to give us all we can handle and I think the reds are improved. both of the other nl divisions are very strong & several teams are at least as good on paper as the Cub...if not better.

[WilcoFan]

You absolutely hate Soriano as a leadoff hitter, but love him as the #2? This is just getting ridiculous...you're just trying to get a rise out of people, aren't you?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Let's compare Derosa to Roberts.

 

2007-

Derosa 293/371/420

Roberts 290/377/432

 

2006-

DeRosa .296/357/456

Roberts 286/347/410

 

Over the past couple of seasons, the only thing Roberts offers over DeRosa is more stolen bases. Are those stolen bases worth Gallagher + others to acquire? I'm so certain.

[17 Seconds]

You absolutely hate Soriano as a leadoff hitter, but love him as the #2? This is just getting ridiculous...you're just trying to get a rise out of people, aren't you?

 

It's ridiculous. Number 2 is probably the worst place Soriano could at.

 

I still haven't gotten an explanation as to why Roberts can't utilize all his assets in the number 2 spot also.

 

Oh, because "he's a LEADOFF hitter, that's why! What good is a LEADOFF hitter that doesn't LEADOFF!? If Roberts doesn't LEADOFF, the earth will explode! I won't live in a world full of blasphemers that want to bat Roberts second!"

[brinoch]

All right, Wrigley23. I've read what seems like 50-60 posts from you saying the same thing. Everyone knows where you stand. However. You refuse to READ other people's posts and respond to very cogent points. And that's disrespectful. It needs to stop. Saying the same thing over and over and over and over and OVER AND OVER... doesn't make your point right (or wrong). People are trying to engage you in a discussion and rather than participate, you've got wax in your ears, you're wearing noise-canceling headphones, and you're shouting the same thing at the top of your lungs.

 

It's to the point that people are openly mocking you in this thread with completely inane rejoinders.

 

You're entitled to your opinion, and you're entitled to offer it to the board. But if all you are going to do is say the same thing over and over and over again, well, that's called trolling. And that's not cool either.

 

So, in short, either participate in the discussion beyond reiterating your point or stop posting in this thread. Mmmm-Kay?

[17 Seconds]

All right, Wrigley23. I've read what seems like 50-60 posts from you saying the same thing. Everyone knows where you stand. However. You refuse to READ other people's posts and respond to very cogent points. And that's disrespectful. It needs to stop. Saying the same thing over and over and over and over and OVER AND OVER... doesn't make your point right (or wrong). People are trying to engage you in a discussion and rather than participate, you've got wax in your ears, you're wearing noise-canceling headphones, and you're shouting the same thing at the top of your lungs.

 

It's to the point that people are openly mocking you in this thread with completely inane rejoinders.

 

You're entitled to your opinion, and you're entitled to offer it to the board. But if all you are going to do is say the same thing over and over and over again, well, that's called trolling. And that's not cool either.

 

So, in short, either participate in the discussion beyond reiterating your point or stop posting in this thread. Mmmm-Kay?

 

He's not a professional poster, remember? He doesn't have time to "look up stats" and "pretty up posts" by using quotes. He does, however, have time to make multiple posts saying the same things over and over again.

[mul21]

All right, Wrigley23. I've read what seems like 50-60 posts from you saying the same thing. Everyone knows where you stand. However. You refuse to READ other people's posts and respond to very cogent points. And that's disrespectful. It needs to stop. Saying the same thing over and over and over and over and OVER AND OVER... doesn't make your point right (or wrong). People are trying to engage you in a discussion and rather than participate, you've got wax in your ears, you're wearing noise-canceling headphones, and you're shouting the same thing at the top of your lungs.

 

It's to the point that people are openly mocking you in this thread with completely inane rejoinders.

 

You're entitled to your opinion, and you're entitled to offer it to the board. But if all you are going to do is say the same thing over and over and over again, well, that's called trolling. And that's not cool either.

 

So, in short, either participate in the discussion beyond reiterating your point or stop posting in this thread. Mmmm-Kay?

 

Awesome. Maybe he'll listen to what everyone has been trying to tell him after getting pimp slapped by a mod. If he even realizes the green print means he's a mod.

[inari]

All right, Wrigley23. I've read what seems like 50-60 posts from you saying the same thing. Everyone knows where you stand. However. You refuse to READ other people's posts and respond to very cogent points. And that's disrespectful. It needs to stop. Saying the same thing over and over and over and over and OVER AND OVER... doesn't make your point right (or wrong). People are trying to engage you in a discussion and rather than participate, you've got wax in your ears, you're wearing noise-canceling headphones, and you're shouting the same thing at the top of your lungs.

 

It's to the point that people are openly mocking you in this thread with completely inane rejoinders.

 

You're entitled to your opinion, and you're entitled to offer it to the board. But if all you are going to do is say the same thing over and over and over again, well, that's called trolling. And that's not cool either.

 

So, in short, either participate in the discussion beyond reiterating your point or stop posting in this thread. Mmmm-Kay?

 

Thank the Lord.

[KingCubsFan]

i didn't say career & neither did you. You were wrong. Roberts is a big upgrade at leadoff because he gets on base more and it's like adding a hitter to the lineup as well w/ soriano moving down. If he gets nervous driving runners in then maybe $18 mill/yr & a potential world series bid for a team that has not won it in 100 yrs may serve as some sort of motivation. As far as trading Pie & gallagher for roberts...i doubt pie will be starting beyond the first month of the year with or without roberts & gallagher will not either. When you trade for starting players in the major leagues you have to give up talented minor leaguers. Pie is entering the Corey Patterson zone w/no ability to get on base & even less of actually knowing the ins & outs of a major league strikezone. There is a reason the brutal marlon byrd was targeted for center & may still end up wearing a bear on his sleeve.

He's entering the Corey Patterson zone after 177 at bats in the majors last year? Look at his minor league numbers, than look at Corey Patterson's at the same age. You might find something...

[Outshined_One]

Hey guys, I was just wondering if you could point me in the direction of the Human Resources office. I'm really hoping to become a professional message board poster, and I want to pass along my resume.

 

I like you. Post more often.