College Football - Week of 9/15

[SouthSideRyan]

Agree with Snood, you've had this plan of making everyone join a conference for the past few years, and I've never seen a reason as to why it's a good idea.

 

Nevermind that it's not remotely feasible to force a conference to take in other members.(Any particular reason the Big East wants to take a bunch of crappy-mid level teams in their conference? Oh and they get to lose South Florida too.)

 

I assume your goal of this is to take the champions of each conference and seed them for the playoffs. So what happens when you have ties at the top of a conference? Why is it going to be enjoyable to watch the lower conference teams get the crap kicked out of them in the first round every year? What if another team wants to make the move up to IA? You just cap it at 120 and any school that grows or develops a good athletic program is just screwed?

[Derwood]

Agree with Snood, you've had this plan of making everyone join a conference for the past few years, and I've never seen a reason as to why it's a good idea.

 

to remove the inequities of scheduling among other things

 

Nevermind that it's not remotely feasible to force a conference to take in other members.(Any particular reason the Big East wants to take a bunch of crappy-mid level teams in their conference? Oh and they get to lose South Florida too.)

 

geography

 

I assume your goal of this is to take the champions of each conference and seed them for the playoffs. So what happens when you have ties at the top of a conference? Why is it going to be enjoyable to watch the lower conference teams get the crap kicked out of them in the first round every year? What if another team wants to make the move up to IA? You just cap it at 120 and any school that grows or develops a good athletic program is just screwed?

no ties, as conference championship games determine the playoff teams

[Guest]

Hahaha, Hawaii in the Pac-10?

[Mephistopheles]

beating UCLA every year right?!

[CuseCubFan69]

Nevermind that it's not remotely feasible to force a conference to take in other members.(Any particular reason the Big East wants to take a bunch of crappy-mid level teams in their conference? Oh and they get to lose South Florida too.)

 

geography

 

Then BC should go back to the Big East and Temple can go to the ACC.

 

Oh, and Miami of Ohio can go to the Big 10 and Penn State goes back to the East. See, it opens up a can of worms doing that.

Edited September 11, 2007 by CuseCubFan69

[Guest]

beating UCLA every year right?!

 

Not in basketball, that's the problem with Derwood's plan.

[snoodmonger]

Agree with Snood, you've had this plan of making everyone join a conference for the past few years, and I've never seen a reason as to why it's a good idea.

 

to remove the inequities of scheduling among other things

 

Nevermind that it's not remotely feasible to force a conference to take in other members.(Any particular reason the Big East wants to take a bunch of crappy-mid level teams in their conference? Oh and they get to lose South Florida too.)

 

geography

 

I assume your goal of this is to take the champions of each conference and seed them for the playoffs. So what happens when you have ties at the top of a conference? Why is it going to be enjoyable to watch the lower conference teams get the crap kicked out of them in the first round every year? What if another team wants to make the move up to IA? You just cap it at 120 and any school that grows or develops a good athletic program is just screwed?

no ties, as conference championship games determine the playoff teams

 

I could be wrong about what you're proposing. Are you saying that each conference champion then enters a post-season tourney to determine the NC?

 

If so, I don't understand how that eliminates scheduling inequity? Individual conferences will still be better than others. Which means many times the best teams (say, the second best team in the SEC) will be eliminated from post-season contention because it had a much harder schedule.

 

College basketball works fine with unbalanced conferences, etc. A system that mirrors college hoops would be much better, IMO, then realigning every college team in the country, and it would also spare us from the confusion that arises during other sports' seasons.

[Derwood]

Agree with Snood, you've had this plan of making everyone join a conference for the past few years, and I've never seen a reason as to why it's a good idea.

 

to remove the inequities of scheduling among other things

 

Nevermind that it's not remotely feasible to force a conference to take in other members.(Any particular reason the Big East wants to take a bunch of crappy-mid level teams in their conference? Oh and they get to lose South Florida too.)

 

geography

 

I assume your goal of this is to take the champions of each conference and seed them for the playoffs. So what happens when you have ties at the top of a conference? Why is it going to be enjoyable to watch the lower conference teams get the crap kicked out of them in the first round every year? What if another team wants to make the move up to IA? You just cap it at 120 and any school that grows or develops a good athletic program is just screwed?

no ties, as conference championship games determine the playoff teams

 

I could be wrong about what you're proposing. Are you saying that each conference champion then enters a post-season tourney to determine the NC?

 

If so, I don't understand how that eliminates scheduling inequity? Individual conferences will still be better than others. Which means many times the best teams (say, the second best team in the SEC) will be eliminated from post-season contention because it had a much harder schedule.

 

College basketball works fine with unbalanced conferences, etc. A system that mirrors college hoops would be much better, IMO, then realigning every college team in the country, and it would also spare us from the confusion that arises during other sports' seasons.

 

i mean in terms of # of games played, when games are played, etc. right now it's ridiculous

[fiver]

Warp,

 

I believe you posed a question about Kodi Burns in last weeks thread. It's taken me several days to care about football again after the Auburn loss this past weekend. Specifically, you asked whether Kodi was the #2 QB at Auburn presently. The short answer is "no". Tubberville would like to redshirt the freshman this year, and Blake Fields is presently the #2 QB. However, Kodi has been getting quite a few reps in practice, and there was an article in the Mobile paper today that suggested that we may see Kodi Burns against Mississippi State this weekend. They made mention of him being utilized for the remainder of this season similarly to how Tim Tebow was used by Florida last year. He definitely possesses far more talent than Cox or Fields.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

While I don't think it would be substantial enough to deter Miles from leaving LSU for Michigan, it would hit someone in the wallet.

 

nd just in case, Bertman had Miles and his agent, George Bass of Dallas, agree to the Michigan item on page 10 of Miles' 20-page contract that was signed on Jan. 21, 2005.

 

Under "Termination of Coach," the contract reads:

 

"Coach covenants and agrees that as part of the consideration of this agreement he will not seek nor will he accept employment as a football coach at the University of Michigan for the term of this agreement. It being expressly understood that should coach accept employment at the University of Michigan, coach shall pay to the University (LSU) in lieu of all other legal remedies, liquidated damages in the sum of one million two hundred fifty ($1,250,000.00) dollars and will forfeit any claim to funds under Section 11 of this contract."

 

Link.

[fiver]

Warp,

 

I believe you posed a question about Kodi Burns in last weeks thread. It's taken me several days to care about football again after the Auburn loss this past weekend. Specifically, you asked whether Kodi was the #2 QB at Auburn presently. The short answer is "no". Tubberville would like to redshirt the freshman this year, and Blake Fields is presently the #2 QB. However, Kodi has been getting quite a few reps in practice, and there was an article in the Mobile paper today that suggested that we may see Kodi Burns against Mississippi State this weekend. They made mention of him being utilized for the remainder of this season similarly to how Tim Tebow was used by Florida last year. He definitely possesses far more talent than Cox or Fields.

 

 

Also..you asked about Ziemba. Because Auburn only returned one starter on the o-line from last year, Ziemba is STARTING at tackle. He's going to be great, but he's not great this year.

[SouthSideRyan]

Re: Ties

 

In your Big Ten for example, Wisconsin beats OSU, OSU beats Penn St., Penn St. beats Wisconsin. 3 teams, 1 loss, who goes to the conference championship. This reminds of the radical realignment plans that were floated around with baseball, only more radical.

[dew1679666265]

Re: Ties

 

In your Big Ten for example, Wisconsin beats OSU, OSU beats Penn St., Penn St. beats Wisconsin. 3 teams, 1 loss, who goes to the conference championship. This reminds of the radical realignment plans that were floated around with baseball, only more radical.

 

12 teams means 2 divisions with 6 teams per division. No other conference with conference championships (SEC, Big XII, etc) have problems with ties. They have set tiebreakers that decide who goes to the championship game.

[Derwood]

Re: Ties

 

In your Big Ten for example, Wisconsin beats OSU, OSU beats Penn St., Penn St. beats Wisconsin. 3 teams, 1 loss, who goes to the conference championship. This reminds of the radical realignment plans that were floated around with baseball, only more radical.

 

12 teams means 2 divisions with 6 teams per division. No other conference with conference championships (SEC, Big XII, etc) have problems with ties. They have set tiebreakers that decide who goes to the championship game.

 

right, i didn't say that but it was implied...every conference would have 2 divisions and a conference championship game

[snoodmonger]

Agree with Snood, you've had this plan of making everyone join a conference for the past few years, and I've never seen a reason as to why it's a good idea.

 

to remove the inequities of scheduling among other things

 

Nevermind that it's not remotely feasible to force a conference to take in other members.(Any particular reason the Big East wants to take a bunch of crappy-mid level teams in their conference? Oh and they get to lose South Florida too.)

 

geography

 

I assume your goal of this is to take the champions of each conference and seed them for the playoffs. So what happens when you have ties at the top of a conference? Why is it going to be enjoyable to watch the lower conference teams get the crap kicked out of them in the first round every year? What if another team wants to make the move up to IA? You just cap it at 120 and any school that grows or develops a good athletic program is just screwed?

no ties, as conference championship games determine the playoff teams

 

I could be wrong about what you're proposing. Are you saying that each conference champion then enters a post-season tourney to determine the NC?

 

If so, I don't understand how that eliminates scheduling inequity? Individual conferences will still be better than others. Which means many times the best teams (say, the second best team in the SEC) will be eliminated from post-season contention because it had a much harder schedule.

 

College basketball works fine with unbalanced conferences, etc. A system that mirrors college hoops would be much better, IMO, then realigning every college team in the country, and it would also spare us from the confusion that arises during other sports' seasons.

 

i mean in terms of # of games played, when games are played, etc. right now it's ridiculous

 

Why? How? I don't understand what's ridiculous about those aspects of the current system.

[Warpticon]

Warp,

 

I believe you posed a question about Kodi Burns in last weeks thread. It's taken me several days to care about football again after the Auburn loss this past weekend. Specifically, you asked whether Kodi was the #2 QB at Auburn presently. The short answer is "no". Tubberville would like to redshirt the freshman this year, and Blake Fields is presently the #2 QB. However, Kodi has been getting quite a few reps in practice, and there was an article in the Mobile paper today that suggested that we may see Kodi Burns against Mississippi State this weekend. They made mention of him being utilized for the remainder of this season similarly to how Tim Tebow was used by Florida last year. He definitely possesses far more talent than Cox or Fields.

 

 

Also..you asked about Ziemba. Because Auburn only returned one starter on the o-line from last year, Ziemba is STARTING at tackle. He's going to be great, but he's not great this year.

 

Wow. The Hogs really missed out on those two. Ziemba looks to be a beast in a couple years with all that experience. He's not starting on the left, is he? That would be crazy.

[Andy]

Agree with Snood, you've had this plan of making everyone join a conference for the past few years, and I've never seen a reason as to why it's a good idea.

 

to remove the inequities of scheduling among other things

 

Nevermind that it's not remotely feasible to force a conference to take in other members.(Any particular reason the Big East wants to take a bunch of crappy-mid level teams in their conference? Oh and they get to lose South Florida too.)

 

geography

 

I assume your goal of this is to take the champions of each conference and seed them for the playoffs. So what happens when you have ties at the top of a conference? Why is it going to be enjoyable to watch the lower conference teams get the crap kicked out of them in the first round every year? What if another team wants to make the move up to IA? You just cap it at 120 and any school that grows or develops a good athletic program is just screwed?

no ties, as conference championship games determine the playoff teams

 

I could be wrong about what you're proposing. Are you saying that each conference champion then enters a post-season tourney to determine the NC?

 

If so, I don't understand how that eliminates scheduling inequity? Individual conferences will still be better than others. Which means many times the best teams (say, the second best team in the SEC) will be eliminated from post-season contention because it had a much harder schedule.

 

College basketball works fine with unbalanced conferences, etc. A system that mirrors college hoops would be much better, IMO, then realigning every college team in the country, and it would also spare us from the confusion that arises during other sports' seasons.

 

i mean in terms of # of games played, when games are played, etc. right now it's ridiculous

 

Why? How? I don't understand what's ridiculous about those aspects of the current system.

The only thing ridiculous is that the Michigans of the world can put 8 home games in a year on their schedule as opposed to the Ball States that play 4 or 5. I don't see what the big deal is about everything else.

[Derwood]

 

Why? How? I don't understand what's ridiculous about those aspects of the current system.

The only thing ridiculous is that the Michigans of the world can put 8 home games in a year on their schedule as opposed to the Ball States that play 4 or 5. I don't see what the big deal is about everything else.

 

some teams play 11 games. some play 12. some play 13.

 

some conferences have championship games. some don't

 

some conferences (coughBig10cough) mandate 12 game schedules with no bye weeks. some schools (coughUSCcough) are still playing 3 weeks after other conferences are done (and if you don't think that makes a difference in the polls, you're delusional).

 

Every school can independently negotiate it's own non-con games with no semblance of order or even parity within a conference

 

I've used this analogy before, but it bears repeating:

 

Imagine an NFL where the AFC teams played one more game than the NFC teams, but the NFC teams got two bye weeks and the AFC got none. Also, the NFC teams play championship games to determine conference winners while the AFC goes just by record. Also, some teams can play CFL or AFL teams for their non-divisional games but others don't.

[snoodmonger]

^^EDIT: This is in response to Andy's post

 

That problem won't be going away in any college sport because of revenue reasons. The big programs pay the crappy ones to play at their stadium. Big program gets a tuneup, crappy program gets its biggest payout of the season. It's the same thing in hoops, and realigning the teams won't do anything about it.

 

I suppose you could mandate an even split of road/home games, but in the end neither side (the big progs or the small ones) would go for it. It's the only way some of these lower tier programs can pay the bills.

Edited September 12, 2007 by snoodmonger

[Andy]

No one plays 11 games. Some play 13 but no one plays 11, not since 2006 began anyway.

[Derwood]

No one plays 11 games. Some play 13 but no one plays 11, not since 2006 began anyway.

 

no one? i don't think it was a 1-A mandate. i still thought it was a conference by conference decision

[Andy]

No one plays 11 games. Some play 13 but no one plays 11, not since 2006 began anyway.

 

no one? i don't think it was a 1-A mandate. i still thought it was a conference by conference decision

I don't remember seeing a single team not playing 12 since that decision was made. Would you pass up another opportunity to make money?

[Derwood]

No one plays 11 games. Some play 13 but no one plays 11, not since 2006 began anyway.

 

no one? i don't think it was a 1-A mandate. i still thought it was a conference by conference decision

I don't remember seeing a single team not playing 12 since that decision was made. Would you pass up another opportunity to make money?

 

right.

 

home/road inequality will never go away. Penn State "only" has 7 home games this year because they play @ Temple (which is really at the Philadelphia Eagles stadium which will have about 90% PSU fans in it).

 

Last year they had 7/5 as well (ND on the road). The year before they had 8 home games.

 

11 or 12, that's less important than when teams play. OSU was lucky USC lost twice last year, as they were sitting at 12-0 for almost a month while USC kept playing, meaning the pollsters had more temptation to keep sneaking USC up over an idle OSU team

[SouthSideRyan]

Small programs might not even survive under your scenario.

 

How is South Florida going to improve itself beating up on the worst of the worst every year and not getting a chance to play anyone else until the playoffs when they'd have to play the best team in the nation in the first round?

[soccer10k]

Re: Ties

 

In your Big Ten for example, Wisconsin beats OSU, OSU beats Penn St., Penn St. beats Wisconsin. 3 teams, 1 loss, who goes to the conference championship. This reminds of the radical realignment plans that were floated around with baseball, only more radical.

 

A tie could still happen in the Big 10 now without a conference championship game. Wisconsin beats OSU, OSU beats Penn St., Penn St. beats Wisconsin. All have one loss, which one gets the BCS berth?