College Football - Week of 9/15

[Guest]

Pet peeve but it's the Rose Parade, not the Rose Bowl Parade. The parade came well before the bowl was even built.

Actually it's the Tournament of Roses Parade, unless they officially changed the name within the past few years.

 

Correct, that's the official name. I was just noting that the word "Bowl" is not in the parade and parade is older than the bowl game by 30+ years.

[Guest]

How serious is Caldwell's knee injury? I'm guessing a sprain means at least a few weeks, right?

[dew1679666265]

Anyways to get back to the present future..

 

 

Andre Caldwell is out for the Tennessee game. The Gators have capable but inexperienced skill players to step in, but its still a blow. Expect some solid PT from true fish Deonte Thompson and more PT from soph Jarred Fayson as long as his knees alright. Both guys speed rivals Harvins and Caldwells.

 

I also saw a report that Harvin had some type of issue with his knee. The report said he would play, but I was wondering if it might hamper him Saturday. You know anything about this?

It was just listed as a sore knee in the campus paper this morning, he should be fine.

 

Too bad. :wink:

[Andy]

Actually its called latching on to the California market. Id like to see those broken down by people outside of the region. Of course people inside the region are going to care. thanks. im not saying its not the biggest. im saying that in general its not OMG I WANT SCARLETT JOHANSSON IN MY BED biggest. its pretty much equal to the sugar and orange. maybe not the fiesta but to the sugar and orange yes.

 

Well, you certainly seemed to say it wasn't the biggest in your original post. I don't know if it's Scarlett Johansson bigger, but it's definitely bigger. Regardless of where the viewers come from, it still gets the most viewers.

 

Edit: I'll also add that maybe it doesn't really even matter anymore, since all the BCS games payout the same. (Though it's still much easier for Michigan to get to the BCS out of the Big Ten than it is for LSU out of the SEC.) Of course, that fact alone may make Notre Dame the best job: it's easiest for them to get to the BCS, then they don't have to split the $17 million.

 

Notre Dame doesn't get $17 million. They get $4.5.

 

I actually didn't know that. Thanks.

That amount was "renegotiated" by Notre Dame's completely and totally incompetent and idiotic athletic director Kevin White. That man is going to mess up ND football, I just know it.

[Derwood]

Actually its called latching on to the California market. Id like to see those broken down by people outside of the region. Of course people inside the region are going to care. thanks. im not saying its not the biggest. im saying that in general its not OMG I WANT SCARLETT JOHANSSON IN MY BED biggest. its pretty much equal to the sugar and orange. maybe not the fiesta but to the sugar and orange yes.

 

Well, you certainly seemed to say it wasn't the biggest in your original post. I don't know if it's Scarlett Johansson bigger, but it's definitely bigger. Regardless of where the viewers come from, it still gets the most viewers.

 

Edit: I'll also add that maybe it doesn't really even matter anymore, since all the BCS games payout the same. (Though it's still much easier for Michigan to get to the BCS out of the Big Ten than it is for LSU out of the SEC.) Of course, that fact alone may make Notre Dame the best job: it's easiest for them to get to the BCS, then they don't have to split the $17 million.

 

Notre Dame doesn't get $17 million. They get $4.5.

 

I actually didn't know that. Thanks.

That amount was "renegotiated" by Notre Dame's completely and totally incompetent and idiotic athletic director Kevin White. That man is going to mess up ND football, I just know it.

 

well it's only fair. If they got all $17 million while conference teams were splitting that up, well you and I know that's BS

[SouthSideRyan]

ND I believe also gets a guaranteed payout whether they make it or not. Something like 1.3M?

[CubColtPacer]

Actually its called latching on to the California market. Id like to see those broken down by people outside of the region. Of course people inside the region are going to care. thanks. im not saying its not the biggest. im saying that in general its not OMG I WANT SCARLETT JOHANSSON IN MY BED biggest. its pretty much equal to the sugar and orange. maybe not the fiesta but to the sugar and orange yes.

 

Well, you certainly seemed to say it wasn't the biggest in your original post. I don't know if it's Scarlett Johansson bigger, but it's definitely bigger. Regardless of where the viewers come from, it still gets the most viewers.

 

Edit: I'll also add that maybe it doesn't really even matter anymore, since all the BCS games payout the same. (Though it's still much easier for Michigan to get to the BCS out of the Big Ten than it is for LSU out of the SEC.) Of course, that fact alone may make Notre Dame the best job: it's easiest for them to get to the BCS, then they don't have to split the $17 million.

 

Notre Dame doesn't get $17 million. They get $4.5.

 

I actually didn't know that. Thanks.

That amount was "renegotiated" by Notre Dame's completely and totally incompetent and idiotic athletic director Kevin White. That man is going to mess up ND football, I just know it.

 

well it's only fair. If they got all $17 million while conference teams were splitting that up, well you and I know that's BS

 

Yeah, but think about the years where for example Penn State does not make a BCS game. For example, last year. They get the money from the Capital One Bowl+their share of Ohio State's BCS game+their share of Michigan's BCS game. For the bad teams in the conference like Indiana, that means they've pocketed over 15 million in the last 10 years that the BCS has been in play without ever having made a BCS game.

 

ND for years was all or nothing. If they went 5-7 one year, they didn't have that guaranteed 2-4 million dollar check from another team in their conference going to the BCS. It was either the full 14 million for the BCS , or going away completely empty handed. It ended up evening out money wise over the long term.

 

Now ND has a money arrangement that is very similar to all the other conferences. They get 4.5 million if they make the game, and 1 million if they don't. It still won't quite add up to what the conferences get (because if conferences get 2 members in all the schools get paid double) but it's a fair approximation.

[Derwood]

Actually its called latching on to the California market. Id like to see those broken down by people outside of the region. Of course people inside the region are going to care. thanks. im not saying its not the biggest. im saying that in general its not OMG I WANT SCARLETT JOHANSSON IN MY BED biggest. its pretty much equal to the sugar and orange. maybe not the fiesta but to the sugar and orange yes.

 

Well, you certainly seemed to say it wasn't the biggest in your original post. I don't know if it's Scarlett Johansson bigger, but it's definitely bigger. Regardless of where the viewers come from, it still gets the most viewers.

 

Edit: I'll also add that maybe it doesn't really even matter anymore, since all the BCS games payout the same. (Though it's still much easier for Michigan to get to the BCS out of the Big Ten than it is for LSU out of the SEC.) Of course, that fact alone may make Notre Dame the best job: it's easiest for them to get to the BCS, then they don't have to split the $17 million.

 

Notre Dame doesn't get $17 million. They get $4.5.

 

I actually didn't know that. Thanks.

That amount was "renegotiated" by Notre Dame's completely and totally incompetent and idiotic athletic director Kevin White. That man is going to mess up ND football, I just know it.

 

well it's only fair. If they got all $17 million while conference teams were splitting that up, well you and I know that's BS

 

Yeah, but think about the years where for example Penn State does not make a BCS game. For example, last year. They get the money from the Capital One Bowl+their share of Ohio State's BCS game+their share of Michigan's BCS game. For the bad teams in the conference like Indiana, that means they've pocketed over 15 million in the last 10 years that the BCS has been in play without ever having made a BCS game.

 

ND for years was all or nothing. If they went 5-7 one year, they didn't have that guaranteed 2-4 million dollar check from another team in their conference going to the BCS. It was either the full 14 million for the BCS , or going away completely empty handed. It ended up evening out money wise over the long term.

 

Now ND has a money arrangement that is very similar to all the other conferences. They get 4.5 million if they make the game, and 1 million if they don't. It still won't quite add up to what the conferences get (because if conferences get 2 members in all the schools get paid double) but it's a fair approximation.

 

and i'm fine with that. there SHOULD be financial incentive for them to join a conference (as opposed to making more $$$ by being Independent)

[CubColtPacer]

Actually its called latching on to the California market. Id like to see those broken down by people outside of the region. Of course people inside the region are going to care. thanks. im not saying its not the biggest. im saying that in general its not OMG I WANT SCARLETT JOHANSSON IN MY BED biggest. its pretty much equal to the sugar and orange. maybe not the fiesta but to the sugar and orange yes.

 

Well, you certainly seemed to say it wasn't the biggest in your original post. I don't know if it's Scarlett Johansson bigger, but it's definitely bigger. Regardless of where the viewers come from, it still gets the most viewers.

 

Edit: I'll also add that maybe it doesn't really even matter anymore, since all the BCS games payout the same. (Though it's still much easier for Michigan to get to the BCS out of the Big Ten than it is for LSU out of the SEC.) Of course, that fact alone may make Notre Dame the best job: it's easiest for them to get to the BCS, then they don't have to split the $17 million.

 

Notre Dame doesn't get $17 million. They get $4.5.

 

I actually didn't know that. Thanks.

That amount was "renegotiated" by Notre Dame's completely and totally incompetent and idiotic athletic director Kevin White. That man is going to mess up ND football, I just know it.

 

well it's only fair. If they got all $17 million while conference teams were splitting that up, well you and I know that's BS

 

Yeah, but think about the years where for example Penn State does not make a BCS game. For example, last year. They get the money from the Capital One Bowl+their share of Ohio State's BCS game+their share of Michigan's BCS game. For the bad teams in the conference like Indiana, that means they've pocketed over 15 million in the last 10 years that the BCS has been in play without ever having made a BCS game.

 

ND for years was all or nothing. If they went 5-7 one year, they didn't have that guaranteed 2-4 million dollar check from another team in their conference going to the BCS. It was either the full 14 million for the BCS , or going away completely empty handed. It ended up evening out money wise over the long term.

 

Now ND has a money arrangement that is very similar to all the other conferences. They get 4.5 million if they make the game, and 1 million if they don't. It still won't quite add up to what the conferences get (because if conferences get 2 members in all the schools get paid double) but it's a fair approximation.

 

and i'm fine with that. there SHOULD be financial incentive for them to join a conference (as opposed to making more $$$ by being Independent)

 

Why should there be financial incentive to join a conference? ND isn't doing anything wrong by staying independent. BTW, they'll never be able to create a situation where it makes financial sense for ND to join a conference.

 

In situations where all the schools come together and make an agreement, the money should be split as evenly as possible. The first arrangement they had with ND did that, but there was such a perception problem with other fans because nobody understood the all or nothing thing. Now, they have it very similar to what all the other conferences do, and the whole process is very fair. As far as the BCS goes, ND shouldn't be helped or penalized by being independent, and I think the rules tweaks have made it so that happens.

[Derwood]

i'm just of the opinion that the Independent thing is played out, that's all. i no longer think that it's "good for college football" that ND is an independent. there is no reason they can't join a conference and maintain their rivalries with USC, etc.

[Exile on Waveland]

Actually its called latching on to the California market. Id like to see those broken down by people outside of the region. Of course people inside the region are going to care. thanks. im not saying its not the biggest. im saying that in general its not OMG I WANT SCARLETT JOHANSSON IN MY BED biggest. its pretty much equal to the sugar and orange. maybe not the fiesta but to the sugar and orange yes.

 

Well, you certainly seemed to say it wasn't the biggest in your original post. I don't know if it's Scarlett Johansson bigger, but it's definitely bigger. Regardless of where the viewers come from, it still gets the most viewers.

 

Edit: I'll also add that maybe it doesn't really even matter anymore, since all the BCS games payout the same. (Though it's still much easier for Michigan to get to the BCS out of the Big Ten than it is for LSU out of the SEC.) Of course, that fact alone may make Notre Dame the best job: it's easiest for them to get to the BCS, then they don't have to split the $17 million.

 

Notre Dame doesn't get $17 million. They get $4.5.

 

I actually didn't know that. Thanks.

That amount was "renegotiated" by Notre Dame's completely and totally incompetent and idiotic athletic director Kevin White. That man is going to mess up ND football, I just know it.

 

well it's only fair. If they got all $17 million while conference teams were splitting that up, well you and I know that's BS

 

Yeah, but think about the years where for example Penn State does not make a BCS game. For example, last year. They get the money from the Capital One Bowl+their share of Ohio State's BCS game+their share of Michigan's BCS game. For the bad teams in the conference like Indiana, that means they've pocketed over 15 million in the last 10 years that the BCS has been in play without ever having made a BCS game.

 

ND for years was all or nothing. If they went 5-7 one year, they didn't have that guaranteed 2-4 million dollar check from another team in their conference going to the BCS. It was either the full 14 million for the BCS , or going away completely empty handed. It ended up evening out money wise over the long term.

 

Now ND has a money arrangement that is very similar to all the other conferences. They get 4.5 million if they make the game, and 1 million if they don't. It still won't quite add up to what the conferences get (because if conferences get 2 members in all the schools get paid double) but it's a fair approximation.

 

Actually, that's not true anymore, either. I didn't know it -- or that ND only got $4.5 now -- but there is a exception for the second team from a conference that also pays out $4.5. I looked it up when Adolfo said ND no longer gets the full amount, and found that too.

[cubweiser03]

i'm just of the opinion that the Independent thing is played out, that's all. i no longer think that it's "good for college football" that ND is an independent. there is no reason they can't join a conference and maintain their rivalries with USC, etc.

 

School Presidents could care less about whats 'good for college football' and rightfully so. They need to take care of their own. ND leaves to join a conference and for all intense and purposes loses the NBC contract. The only way they leave is with some sort of compensation that is heavily tilted for them in sharing the confernce TV revenues.

 

If ND only gets $4.5M for a BCS bowl game where does the other $12.5M go? Does that BCS pocket that money they would otherwise have to pay the conference for that schools bid? If so, i sure would want ND to play in my BCS bowl game as much as possible. One they get the jacked up TV ratings, and two they pocket the $12.5 if thats the case.

[Derwood]

i've been thinking about this for awhile, and now is as good a time as any to discuss it. I really think that the Division 1-A should add a school to move to 120 teams, and then realign into ten 12-team conferences as follows:

 

ACC

 

Boston College

Clemson

Duke

Florida St.

Georgia Tech

Maryland

Miami

North Carolina

North Carolina St.

Virginia

Virginia Tech

Wake Forest

 

Big East

 

Army

Cincinnati

Connecticut

East Carolina

Louisville

Marshall

Navy

Pittsburgh

Rutgers

Syracuse

Temple

West Virginia

 

Big Ten

 

Illinois

Indiana

Iowa

Michigan

Michigan St.

Minnesota

Northwestern

Notre Dame

Ohio St.

Penn St.

Purdue

Wisconsin

 

Big 12

 

Baylor

Colorado

Iowa St.

Kansas

Kansas St.

Missouri

Nebraska

Oklahoma

Oklahoma St.

Texas

Texas A&M

Texas Tech

 

MAAC

 

Akron

Ball St.

Bowling Green

Buffalo

Central Michigan

Eastern Michigan

Kent St.

Miami (OH)

Northern Illinois

Ohio

Toledo

Western Michigan

 

Mountain West

 

Air Force

Brigham Young

Colorado St.

Idaho

Nevada

New Mexico

New Mexico St.

Tulsa

UNLV

Utah

Utah St.

Wyoming

 

 

PAC 10

 

Arizona

Arizona St.

Boise St.

California

Hawaii

Oregon

Oregon St.

Stanford

UCLA

USC

Washington

Washington St.

 

SEC

 

Alabama

Arkansas

Auburn

Florida

Georgia

Kentucky

LSU

Mississippi

Mississippi St.

South Carolina

Tennessee

Vanderbilt

 

Southwestern Conference

 

Fresno St.

Houston

LA-Lafayette

LA-Monroe

LA Tech

North Texas

Rice

San Diego St.

Southern Methodist

TCU

Tulane

UTEP

 

Southern Conference

 

Arkansas St.

FAU

FIU

Memphis

Middle Tennessee

South Florida

Southern Miss

Troy

UAB

UCF

W. Kentucky

[CubColtPacer]

i've been thinking about this for awhile, and now is as good a time as any to discuss it. I really think that the Division 1-A should add a school to move to 120 teams, and then realign into ten 12-team conferences as follows:

 

ACC

 

Boston College

Clemson

Duke

Florida St.

Georgia Tech

Maryland

Miami

North Carolina

North Carolina St.

Virginia

Virginia Tech

Wake Forest

 

Big East

 

Army

Cincinnati

Connecticut

East Carolina

Louisville

Marshall

Navy

Pittsburgh

Rutgers

Syracuse

Temple

West Virginia

 

Big Ten

 

Illinois

Indiana

Iowa

Michigan

Michigan St.

Minnesota

Northwestern

Notre Dame

Ohio St.

Penn St.

Purdue

Wisconsin

 

Big 12

 

Baylor

Colorado

Iowa St.

Kansas

Kansas St.

Missouri

Nebraska

Oklahoma

Oklahoma St.

Texas

Texas A&M

Texas Tech

 

MAAC

 

Akron

Ball St.

Bowling Green

Buffalo

Central Michigan

Eastern Michigan

Kent St.

Miami (OH)

Northern Illinois

Ohio

Toledo

Western Michigan

 

Mountain West

 

Air Force

Brigham Young

Colorado St.

Idaho

Nevada

New Mexico

New Mexico St.

Tulsa

UNLV

Utah

Utah St.

Wyoming

 

 

PAC 10

 

Arizona

Arizona St.

Boise St.

California

Hawaii

Oregon

Oregon St.

Stanford

UCLA

USC

Washington

Washington St.

 

SEC

 

Alabama

Arkansas

Auburn

Florida

Georgia

Kentucky

LSU

Mississippi

Mississippi St.

South Carolina

Tennessee

Vanderbilt

 

Southwestern Conference

 

Fresno St.

Houston

LA-Lafayette

LA-Monroe

LA Tech

North Texas

Rice

San Diego St.

Southern Methodist

TCU

Tulane

UTEP

 

Southern Conference

 

Arkansas St.

FAU

FIU

Memphis

Middle Tennessee

South Florida

Southern Miss

Troy

UAB

UCF

W. Kentucky

 

It certainly is an interesting idea, but I think school presidents would balk

at it. Scheduling issues would be a lot easier under that system.

 

There's one other big problem-you have to consider what happens in the other sports beyond football. As bad as you have made the Big East in football now, you have just destroyed their conference in basketball. The same goes for the Pac 10 and basketball-Hawaii and Boise State would be horrible additions to their conference. So basically the plan is debatable on if it makes college football better, and it's horrible for the other sports.

[Exile on Waveland]

If the Pac 10 expands, it will almost certainly be with Utah and BYU. (Perhaps UNLV could get into the mix, but I doubt it)

[Derwood]

There's one other big problem-you have to consider what happens in the other sports beyond football. As bad as you have made the Big East in football now, you have just destroyed their conference in basketball. The same goes for the Pac 10 and basketball-Hawaii and Boise State would be horrible additions to their conference. So basically the plan is debatable on if it makes college football better, and it's horrible for the other sports.

 

well that is certainly true. it's not a perfect solution

[Mephistopheles]

If the Pac 10 expands, it will almost certainly be with Utah and BYU. (Perhaps UNLV could get into the mix, but I doubt it)

 

 

Or Fresno.

[B]

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200770910044

 

Players not worried that Miles is leaving.

[cubweiser03]

There's one other big problem-you have to consider what happens in the other sports beyond football. As bad as you have made the Big East in football now, you have just destroyed their conference in basketball. The same goes for the Pac 10 and basketball-Hawaii and Boise State would be horrible additions to their conference. So basically the plan is debatable on if it makes college football better, and it's horrible for the other sports.

 

well that is certainly true. it's not a perfect solution

 

But football trumps bball. I dont know what tv market Hawaii brings but Boise expands the Pac10's market a little. And as you know Penn State didnt get invited to the Big Ten for its Bball. (i see what others are listing in this thread as more likely)

 

The Big East isnt that whacked because Providence/Nova/Georgtown/Marquette dont even have a football team. Im sure they would remain in the Big East when it comes bball season.

[snoodmonger]

If the Pac 10 expands, it will almost certainly be with Utah and BYU. (Perhaps UNLV could get into the mix, but I doubt it)

 

 

Or Fresno.

 

i think colorado's always considered a possibility, too.

[CubColtPacer]

There's one other big problem-you have to consider what happens in the other sports beyond football. As bad as you have made the Big East in football now, you have just destroyed their conference in basketball. The same goes for the Pac 10 and basketball-Hawaii and Boise State would be horrible additions to their conference. So basically the plan is debatable on if it makes college football better, and it's horrible for the other sports.

 

well that is certainly true. it's not a perfect solution

 

But football trumps bball. I dont know what tv market Hawaii brings but Boise expands the Pac10's market a little. And as you know Penn State didnt get invited to the Big Ten for its Bball. (i see what others are listing in this thread as more likely)

 

The Big East isnt that whacked because Providence/Nova/Georgtown/Marquette dont even have a football team. Im sure they would remain in the Big East when it comes bball season.

 

The Big East becomes a 20 team conference in basketball. Their current number of 16 is already too large-20 wouldn't be feasible.

 

Boise and Hawaii might get the TV market a little higher, but it also makes sure that the Pac 10 has no chance to be a great basketball conference.

 

I'm sure there would be problems in other sports as well. It's simply not worth it for a small benefit in football to greatly hurt some other sports.

[Derwood]

There's one other big problem-you have to consider what happens in the other sports beyond football. As bad as you have made the Big East in football now, you have just destroyed their conference in basketball. The same goes for the Pac 10 and basketball-Hawaii and Boise State would be horrible additions to their conference. So basically the plan is debatable on if it makes college football better, and it's horrible for the other sports.

 

well that is certainly true. it's not a perfect solution

 

But football trumps bball. I dont know what tv market Hawaii brings but Boise expands the Pac10's market a little. And as you know Penn State didnt get invited to the Big Ten for its Bball. (i see what others are listing in this thread as more likely)

 

The Big East isnt that whacked because Providence/Nova/Georgtown/Marquette dont even have a football team. Im sure they would remain in the Big East when it comes bball season.

 

The Big East becomes a 20 team conference in basketball. Their current number of 16 is already too large-20 wouldn't be feasible.

 

Boise and Hawaii might get the TV market a little higher, but it also makes sure that the Pac 10 has no chance to be a great basketball conference.

 

I'm sure there would be problems in other sports as well. It's simply not worth it for a small benefit in football to greatly hurt some other sports.

 

i guess the point is that the complete lack of formality or uniformity in college football needs to be remedied by whatever means necessary

[snoodmonger]

There's one other big problem-you have to consider what happens in the other sports beyond football. As bad as you have made the Big East in football now, you have just destroyed their conference in basketball. The same goes for the Pac 10 and basketball-Hawaii and Boise State would be horrible additions to their conference. So basically the plan is debatable on if it makes college football better, and it's horrible for the other sports.

 

well that is certainly true. it's not a perfect solution

 

But football trumps bball. I dont know what tv market Hawaii brings but Boise expands the Pac10's market a little. And as you know Penn State didnt get invited to the Big Ten for its Bball. (i see what others are listing in this thread as more likely)

 

The Big East isnt that whacked because Providence/Nova/Georgtown/Marquette dont even have a football team. Im sure they would remain in the Big East when it comes bball season.

 

The Big East becomes a 20 team conference in basketball. Their current number of 16 is already too large-20 wouldn't be feasible.

 

Boise and Hawaii might get the TV market a little higher, but it also makes sure that the Pac 10 has no chance to be a great basketball conference.

 

I'm sure there would be problems in other sports as well. It's simply not worth it for a small benefit in football to greatly hurt some other sports.

 

i guess the point is that the complete lack of formality or uniformity in college football needs to be remedied by whatever means necessary

 

why? aside from the lame championship system, what else needs correcting?

[Andy]

ND is in the Big East in almost every sport besides football. To put them in the Big Ten is completely and totally undoable at this point as long as the other teams are in the Big East (yet another thing the "ND shouldn't be independent" crowd overlooks when discussing this issue).

[CubinNY]

i guess the point is that the complete lack of formality or uniformity in college football needs to be remedied by whatever means necessary

Personally I agree with you. But I don't think many college football fans would.

 

It's the beauty of the system. There is no real national championship game. The winner of a bowl game is appointed National Champion by a bunch of people looking out for their own best interest.

 

It's like Miss America without the question and answer sessions before hand.

 

It is a terrible system but generates too much money for everyone involved.