College Football - Week of 9/15

[Derwood]

and if we're going to talk about how "the beauty of CFB is that every game counts" then yes, we don't include 1 loss teams in the NC game, regardless of the circumstances

 

That's nonsensical propaganda for those that don't want a tournament. It has no bearing in this, or any, logical discussion.

 

i agree, just bringing it up as several people argue from that point of view

 

if we're going to argue who deserves to go, i'd rather use a CBB style RPI rating over a margin of victory or poll-based system

[CuseCubFan69]

should we count baseball victories differently if the team wins by 12 instead of by 1?

 

Why are you talking about baseball?

 

Because LoK used a baseball example. One team at 20-15 and another at 18-17.

 

But baseball plays 162 games and has 3 rounds of playoffs.

 

You can use quite a few things to determine whether an 18-17 team is better than a 20-15 team. One team (20-15) has beaten up on the Devil Rays while the other has been playing the Yankees and Red Sox (18-17). You can consider how the pitching has done, the hitting, etc. You add all that up and can determine that 25% of the way, one team might be 2 games behind but should make up that ground.

 

The same can be said for a 10-2 team in CFB vs. a 12-0 team. Some teams play Florida Atlantic, others play Nebraska. Blowing out Nebraska in Lincoln tells me a lot about a team. It's up to the coach to keep players out in blowouts, but dominating another team should be worth something.

 

Don't ask me because I didn't bring baseball into this! :D

 

I agree that dominating a team, especially a good one at their place, should count for more. But, the problem is comparing teams like a 12-0 Penn State and a 11-1 Florida once the season is over.

 

To me the problem is scheduling. If you punish a team for playing a very good one in their place and losing while another plays a bad one at home and stays undefeated, that's a problem. Another is the assumption a team is better than they really are early in the season and the team gets way too much credit early and it seems to stick with them all year like a badge. What if Nebraska ends up 7-5 or Washington 5-7 (for OSU)? How about LSU's win over a possible 7-5 VTech or South Floridas victory over a possible 7-5 Auburn? Those were impact victories at the time and has propelled the winning teams upward but may not mean as much as we thought but they now have positioned themselves in the polls ahead of other teams that may have actually beaten a tougher team that no one (voters/experts) thought was going to be good.

 

Another thing that bothers me are teams that never have away games. Florida has 4 and the only SEC team to even play an away game is Tennessee so far this season.

[Mephistopheles]

If UF-Georgia was not a neutral game then Florida would be playing UM every season. Urbans trying to get something done so they can bring back that rivalry. They are playing next season. UF's non-conference is vs Hawaii, vs Miami and @ FSU next season.

[soccer10k]

who would go? probably PSU and USC. Who would be deserving? USC and UF/LSU which i dunno. Under that scenario its hard to imagine that PSU being more deserving. With the BCS system treating wins and losses as absolute (a 31-28 OT win looks the same as a 70-0 win against the same teams) PSU would sneak in, which is again absurd. They took out quality wins, margin of victory and everything else making the system effectively a poll.

 

I'd definitely be in favor of bringing back margin of victory as long as it has a cap and the quality win bonus should absolutely be brought back. It was stupid that they got rid of the quality wins.

[CuseCubFan69]

who would go? probably PSU and USC. Who would be deserving? USC and UF/LSU which i dunno. Under that scenario its hard to imagine that PSU being more deserving. With the BCS system treating wins and losses as absolute (a 31-28 OT win looks the same as a 70-0 win against the same teams) PSU would sneak in, which is again absurd. They took out quality wins, margin of victory and everything else making the system effectively a poll.

 

I'd definitely be in favor of bringing back margin of victory as long as it has a cap and the quality win bonus should absolutely be brought back. It was stupid that they got rid of the quality wins.

 

It depends on what qualifies as a quality win. And for margin of victory if it's say 30 and you win a game 29-0 and don't score 30 because of a missed extra point, I don't see how that's any worse than a team that wins 34-3. I just don't see how you can look at a final score like those and judge them as one being better than the other. I still think you should break the whole game down mathematically and divide into a series of points and not just go by the final score.

[soccer10k]

who would go? probably PSU and USC. Who would be deserving? USC and UF/LSU which i dunno. Under that scenario its hard to imagine that PSU being more deserving. With the BCS system treating wins and losses as absolute (a 31-28 OT win looks the same as a 70-0 win against the same teams) PSU would sneak in, which is again absurd. They took out quality wins, margin of victory and everything else making the system effectively a poll.

 

I'd definitely be in favor of bringing back margin of victory as long as it has a cap and the quality win bonus should absolutely be brought back. It was stupid that they got rid of the quality wins.

 

It depends on what qualifies as a quality win. And for margin of victory if it's say 30 and you win a game 29-0 and don't score 30 because of a missed extra point, I don't see how that's any worse than a team that wins 34-3. I just don't see how you can look at a final score like those and judge them as one being better than the other. I still think you should break the whole game down mathematically and divide into a series of points and not just go by the final score.

 

The quality win thing they used to have in the BCS was if you beat a team that was (I think) in the top 15 of the BCS standings you would have points taken off your total. You would have 0.1 taken off for beating the 15th ranked team, 0.2 taken off for the 14th, and so on until 1.5 for beating the top team. In addition to that, the points would change each week based the ranking of the team that you beat.

 

Let's just say that Team A is ranked No. 1 and Team B is ranked No. 2. Team A beats Team B and Team B drops to No. 5 in the rankings. For that weeks BCS rankings Team A would have 1.1 taken off of its BCS ranking. But the next week, Team B loses again and drops to No. 12 in the BCS. That would mean Team A would only have 0.4 taken off that week. Conversely, if Team A beats Team B early in the season when Team B is unranked, they wouldn't get any points. But if Team B wins a bunch of games and rises into the BCS rankings then Team A would have points taken off according to Team B's ranking.

[CuseCubFan69]

who would go? probably PSU and USC. Who would be deserving? USC and UF/LSU which i dunno. Under that scenario its hard to imagine that PSU being more deserving. With the BCS system treating wins and losses as absolute (a 31-28 OT win looks the same as a 70-0 win against the same teams) PSU would sneak in, which is again absurd. They took out quality wins, margin of victory and everything else making the system effectively a poll.

 

I'd definitely be in favor of bringing back margin of victory as long as it has a cap and the quality win bonus should absolutely be brought back. It was stupid that they got rid of the quality wins.

 

It depends on what qualifies as a quality win. And for margin of victory if it's say 30 and you win a game 29-0 and don't score 30 because of a missed extra point, I don't see how that's any worse than a team that wins 34-3. I just don't see how you can look at a final score like those and judge them as one being better than the other. I still think you should break the whole game down mathematically and divide into a series of points and not just go by the final score.

 

The quality win thing they used to have in the BCS was if you beat a team that was (I think) in the top 15 of the BCS standings you would have points taken off your total. You would have 0.1 taken off for beating the 15th ranked team, 0.2 taken off for the 14th, and so on until 1.5 for beating the top team. In addition to that, the points would change each week based the ranking of the team that you beat.

 

Let's just say that Team A is ranked No. 1 and Team B is ranked No. 2. Team A beats Team B and Team B drops to No. 5 in the rankings. For that weeks BCS rankings Team A would have 1.1 taken off of its BCS ranking. But the next week, Team B loses again and drops to No. 12 in the BCS. That would mean Team A would only have 0.4 taken off that week. Conversely, if Team A beats Team B early in the season when Team B is unranked, they wouldn't get any points. But if Team B wins a bunch of games and rises into the BCS rankings then Team A would have points taken off according to Team B's ranking.

 

That's fine soccer but the ratings play too big a part in that system. The human bias will keep the traditional up and the surprise ones down.