The Chicago Bulls 2007 Offseason Thread

[XZero771679666304]

I don't see how Hinrich has fallen out of favor.

 

 

The media has. Have Bulls not worked out PG's? Was there not conjecture about Kirk's efficacy as the orchestrator of the offense?

 

I think Hinrich's inconsistency will be or has already been his undoing. I think it's a safe bet he will not be the Bulls' PG for much longer.

[TB_11]

um, i'd trade gordon and deng for kobe in less than one second. the 9th pick, too.

 

noc moves into the starting rotation.

 

hinrich

kobe

noc

TT

wallace

 

that's a team that wins the championship NEXT year!

 

Actually just took a look and the Bulls would have to give up more in salaries than what Deng and Gordon make to make the deal work. Deng + Gordon + a sign and trade with Brown, or more likely Nocioni, would do it.

[KingCubsFan]

I don't see how Hinrich has fallen out of favor.

 

 

The media has. Have Bulls not worked out PG's? Was there not conjecture about Kirk's efficacy as the orchestrator of the offense?

 

I think Hinrich's inconsistency will be or has already been his undoing. I think it's a safe bet he will not be the Bulls' PG for much longer.

All of the PG's they've worked out have been tall. I just think they're looking for a taller combo guard that could back up both positions if necessary

[b_wiggy_66]

Get Spencer Hawes!!! and Kobe of course

[Derwood]

on ESPNews, a talking head said the Bulls were the only logical trading partner. On ESPNradio, they thought there was no way he got traded. Guess we'll see in the next few weeks

[Guest]

I don't see how Hinrich has fallen out of favor.

 

 

The media has. Have Bulls not worked out PG's? Was there not conjecture about Kirk's efficacy as the orchestrator of the offense?

 

I think Hinrich's inconsistency will be or has already been his undoing. I think it's a safe bet he will not be the Bulls' PG for much longer.

All of the PG's they've worked out have been tall. I just think they're looking for a taller combo guard that could back up both positions if necessary

 

I don't see how Hinrich would be out of support given his ability to actually play defense.

[Keener98]

Supposedly Kobe met with Lakers higher ups today, and said he wants traded. ESPN said his 3 preferences are Phoenix, New York, and Chicago. They said there is noway he goes to Phoenix(for obvious reasons) New York doesnt match up salary wise, so that leaves the Bulls. They said expect something to be done by next weeks draft. GET KOBE! Edited June 17, 2007 by Keener98

[ChiCubsFan]

Supposedly Kobe met with Lakers higher ups today, and said he once traded. ESPN said his 3 preferences are Phoenix, New York, and Chicago. They said there is noway he goes to Phoenix(for obvious reasons) New York doesnt match up salary wise, so that leaves the Bulls. They said expect something to be done by next weeks draft. GET KOBE!

 

wow, that just enhanced my buzz.

[seanimal]

kobe to the bulls is my dream, and that's why it will never happen

[Rusch33]

Get Spencer Hawes!!! and Kobe of course

 

Going to lose the ninth pick for Kobe.

[USSoccer]

Deng, Gordon and the #9 for Kobe.

[Jehrico]

How close would Gordon, Noce, and the 9th pick get you? I would think you'd have a good conversation at that point. Balancing the salary would be difficult.

[Roast]

If Kobe came to the bulls i'd cry. For no other reason than that the media would beat the jordan-comparisons to death.

[David]

Deng, Gordon and the #9 for Kobe.

 

Too much.

 

Kobe is not going to net the Lakers that much, they're the ones in the tight spot, not us.

[Guest]

No Deng. Give em TT. The Bulls are the only potential trade partner the Lakers have since they nixed Phoenix.

[Derwood]

i love this "Deng and Gordon is too much for Kobe". It's not like Kobe is a top 3 player in the league or anything

[Guest]

i love this "Deng and Gordon is too much for Kobe". It's not like Kobe is a top 3 player in the league or anything

 

Kobe is a top 3 player but the Lakers have limited bargaining power here. The Bulls need to realize that and also realize that Kobe is going to be 29 before next season and will have 11 years on him - he's no spring chicken. I'd be wary of a Kobe trade gutting the team and that's why I'm not completely interested. This isn't to deny that Kobe is a superb basketball player, this is to determine the best possible trade for the Bulls and have the best possible team.

[Exile on Waveland]

i love this "Deng and Gordon is too much for Kobe". It's not like Kobe is a top 3 player in the league or anything

 

Kobe is a top 3 player but the Lakers have limited bargaining power here. The Bulls need to realize that and also realize that Kobe is going to be 29 before next season and will have 11 years on him - he's no spring chicken. I'd be wary of a Kobe trade gutting the team and that's why I'm not completely interested. This isn't to deny that Kobe is a superb basketball player, this is to determine the best possible trade for the Bulls and have the best possible team.

 

I'm sure the Lakers will go along with whatever is the best possible trade for the Bulls.

 

Now, I know your point was the Bulls shouldn't gut their team for Kobe, which I agree with. However, no way are the Lakers going to take Gordon, Nocioni and the #9 for Kobe. He's one of the best players in the world and the Bulls are going to get him without giving up Deng, Thomas or Hinrich. That's just not reasonable. If Deng isn't in the deal, then it's going to be Thomas, Gordon/Hinrich and the #9 at least. The Lakers don't have to trade Kobe yet.

[David]

i love this "Deng and Gordon is too much for Kobe". It's not like Kobe is a top 3 player in the league or anything

 

Kobe is a top 3 player but the Lakers have limited bargaining power here. The Bulls need to realize that and also realize that Kobe is going to be 29 before next season and will have 11 years on him - he's no spring chicken. I'd be wary of a Kobe trade gutting the team and that's why I'm not completely interested. This isn't to deny that Kobe is a superb basketball player, this is to determine the best possible trade for the Bulls and have the best possible team.

 

Exactly.

 

It's not about Deng and Gordon not being fair value for Kobe, it's about the fact that the Lakers are in no position to demand fair value in return. On top of that, there's no way Kobe will accept the trade if it guts the team he's headed to. It would make it a lateral move.

 

Superstars with no trade clauses who demand trades are usually traded for cents on the dollar.

[Guest]

i love this "Deng and Gordon is too much for Kobe". It's not like Kobe is a top 3 player in the league or anything

 

Kobe is a top 3 player but the Lakers have limited bargaining power here. The Bulls need to realize that and also realize that Kobe is going to be 29 before next season and will have 11 years on him - he's no spring chicken. I'd be wary of a Kobe trade gutting the team and that's why I'm not completely interested. This isn't to deny that Kobe is a superb basketball player, this is to determine the best possible trade for the Bulls and have the best possible team.

 

I'm sure the Lakers will go along with whatever is the best possible trade for the Bulls.

 

Now, I know your point was the Bulls shouldn't gut their team for Kobe, which I agree with. However, no way are the Lakers going to take Gordon, Nocioni and the #9 for Kobe. He's one of the best players in the world and the Bulls are going to get him without giving up Deng, Thomas or Hinrich. That's just not reasonable. If Deng isn't in the deal, then it's going to be Thomas, Gordon/Hinrich and the #9 at least. The Lakers don't have to trade Kobe yet.

 

Oops, I guess I forgot to say that but I'd definitely do a TT/Gordon/#9 for Kobe.

[Exile on Waveland]

i love this "Deng and Gordon is too much for Kobe". It's not like Kobe is a top 3 player in the league or anything

 

Kobe is a top 3 player but the Lakers have limited bargaining power here. The Bulls need to realize that and also realize that Kobe is going to be 29 before next season and will have 11 years on him - he's no spring chicken. I'd be wary of a Kobe trade gutting the team and that's why I'm not completely interested. This isn't to deny that Kobe is a superb basketball player, this is to determine the best possible trade for the Bulls and have the best possible team.

 

I'm sure the Lakers will go along with whatever is the best possible trade for the Bulls.

 

Now, I know your point was the Bulls shouldn't gut their team for Kobe, which I agree with. However, no way are the Lakers going to take Gordon, Nocioni and the #9 for Kobe. He's one of the best players in the world and the Bulls are going to get him without giving up Deng, Thomas or Hinrich. That's just not reasonable. If Deng isn't in the deal, then it's going to be Thomas, Gordon/Hinrich and the #9 at least. The Lakers don't have to trade Kobe yet.

 

Oops, I guess I forgot to say that but I'd definitely do a TT/Gordon/#9 for Kobe.

 

I quoted you, which was probably unfair. It's just that to get a player of Kobe's caliber, the Bulls will have to give up something that hurts. It seems a lot of posters aren't willing to do so -- Nocioni is a backup, Gordon is replaced by Kobe. Deng or Thomas will be an absolute prerequisite, I'd think.

[Andy]

I will piss myself if Kobe comes to Chicago.

[Flames24Rulz]

I will piss myself if Kobe comes to Chicago.

 

I would too.

[TB_11]

i love this "Deng and Gordon is too much for Kobe". It's not like Kobe is a top 3 player in the league or anything

 

Kobe is a top 3 player but the Lakers have limited bargaining power here. The Bulls need to realize that and also realize that Kobe is going to be 29 before next season and will have 11 years on him - he's no spring chicken. I'd be wary of a Kobe trade gutting the team and that's why I'm not completely interested. This isn't to deny that Kobe is a superb basketball player, this is to determine the best possible trade for the Bulls and have the best possible team.

 

I'm sure the Lakers will go along with whatever is the best possible trade for the Bulls.

 

Now, I know your point was the Bulls shouldn't gut their team for Kobe, which I agree with. However, no way are the Lakers going to take Gordon, Nocioni and the #9 for Kobe. He's one of the best players in the world and the Bulls are going to get him without giving up Deng, Thomas or Hinrich. That's just not reasonable. If Deng isn't in the deal, then it's going to be Thomas, Gordon/Hinrich and the #9 at least. The Lakers don't have to trade Kobe yet.

 

Oops, I guess I forgot to say that but I'd definitely do a TT/Gordon/#9 for Kobe.

 

I quoted you, which was probably unfair. It's just that to get a player of Kobe's caliber, the Bulls will have to give up something that hurts. It seems a lot of posters aren't willing to do so -- Nocioni is a backup, Gordon is replaced by Kobe. Deng or Thomas will be an absolute prerequisite, I'd think.

 

That's probably true (plus a sign and trade to make the salaries work), but there is a small possibility that Kobe holds out on the Lakers. In a situation like that Buss's best option would be to send Kobe to an Eastern Conference team that can send back young assets, albeit at 50 cents on the dollar. Kobe's holdout would put Paxson in a great bargaining position.

[Exile on Waveland]

i love this "Deng and Gordon is too much for Kobe". It's not like Kobe is a top 3 player in the league or anything

 

Kobe is a top 3 player but the Lakers have limited bargaining power here. The Bulls need to realize that and also realize that Kobe is going to be 29 before next season and will have 11 years on him - he's no spring chicken. I'd be wary of a Kobe trade gutting the team and that's why I'm not completely interested. This isn't to deny that Kobe is a superb basketball player, this is to determine the best possible trade for the Bulls and have the best possible team.

 

I'm sure the Lakers will go along with whatever is the best possible trade for the Bulls.

 

Now, I know your point was the Bulls shouldn't gut their team for Kobe, which I agree with. However, no way are the Lakers going to take Gordon, Nocioni and the #9 for Kobe. He's one of the best players in the world and the Bulls are going to get him without giving up Deng, Thomas or Hinrich. That's just not reasonable. If Deng isn't in the deal, then it's going to be Thomas, Gordon/Hinrich and the #9 at least. The Lakers don't have to trade Kobe yet.

 

Oops, I guess I forgot to say that but I'd definitely do a TT/Gordon/#9 for Kobe.

 

I quoted you, which was probably unfair. It's just that to get a player of Kobe's caliber, the Bulls will have to give up something that hurts. It seems a lot of posters aren't willing to do so -- Nocioni is a backup, Gordon is replaced by Kobe. Deng or Thomas will be an absolute prerequisite, I'd think.

 

That's probably true (plus a sign and trade to make the salaries work), but there is a small possibility that Kobe holds out on the Lakers. In a situation like that Buss's best option would be to send Kobe to an Eastern Conference team that can send back young assets, albeit at 50 cents on the dollar. Kobe's holdout would put Paxson in a great bargaining position.

 

I'd agree with that. If Kobe does holdout, at some point, the Lakers will likely give in and trade him. If so, they'll get less than 10 cents on the dollar. Until that point, though, start the trade package with Deng/Thomas, Gordon and pick, at least.