Z CONTRACT: On Hold Due to Trib Sale

[NCCubFan]

i dont see why rotoworld says it's unlikely to happen. aram came back for much less than he reportedly could have gotten elsewhere.

 

yeah but Z hustles. You have to pay extra for hustle.

You also have to pay extra for the ability to catch the ball.

And for the ability to drive in runs with your glove. :lol:

[soccer10k]

I love the news. Just make it official.

[frostwyrm]

I dont think there is any way Z signs for those numbers. He could get a 5 year deal for more money somewhere else. I think the Cubs will continue to try to sign him to a deal like that but I dont think its going to happen and Z will ultimately become a free agent and probably sign somewhere else. They really need to pony up the money and give him what he deserves.

 

Why? He is offering a hometown discount and getting more money than pitchers like Carpenter/Oswalt did.

 

Oswalt's contract is not even close to market rate. Just because one or two guys got screwed doesn't mean the entire market will shift downwards.

[mg420]

I dont think there is any way Z signs for those numbers. He could get a 5 year deal for more money somewhere else. I think the Cubs will continue to try to sign him to a deal like that but I dont think its going to happen and Z will ultimately become a free agent and probably sign somewhere else. They really need to pony up the money and give him what he deserves.

 

Why? He is offering a hometown discount and getting more money than pitchers like Carpenter/Oswalt did.

 

Oswalt's contract is not even close to market rate. Just because one or two guys got screwed doesn't mean the entire market will shift downwards.

 

just because oswalt & carpenter got less $ then they could have elsewhere to stay with the teams they wanted to play for doesn't mean they got "screwed". it means they can live on a paltry 12-15 millon a year and are not driven by greed.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I dont think there is any way Z signs for those numbers. He could get a 5 year deal for more money somewhere else. I think the Cubs will continue to try to sign him to a deal like that but I dont think its going to happen and Z will ultimately become a free agent and probably sign somewhere else. They really need to pony up the money and give him what he deserves.

 

Why? He is offering a hometown discount and getting more money than pitchers like Carpenter/Oswalt did.

 

Oswalt's contract is not even close to market rate. Just because one or two guys got screwed doesn't mean the entire market will shift downwards.

 

They're not getting screwed.

[Pushfrog98]

I hope one day I have to attempt to support my family on a measly $12million/year.

 

I only hope that because I think it would be a "humanitarian" thing to do... to live in such poverty. It would make me be able to relate to the "common" person a little better as well, ya know what I mean?

[CubinNY]

I dont think there is any way Z signs for those numbers. He could get a 5 year deal for more money somewhere else. I think the Cubs will continue to try to sign him to a deal like that but I dont think its going to happen and Z will ultimately become a free agent and probably sign somewhere else. They really need to pony up the money and give him what he deserves.

 

Why? He is offering a hometown discount and getting more money than pitchers like Carpenter/Oswalt did.

 

Oswalt's contract is not even close to market rate. Just because one or two guys got screwed doesn't mean the entire market will shift downwards.

 

They're not getting screwed.

 

Yea, getting screwed is accepting arbitration, winning, and being cut.

 

Not getting screwed is making more than 10 million dollars a year for working one day out of five for the next five years.

[frostwyrm]

I think you guys miss my point. A few isolated instances of people selling their services below market value are not going to cause a fundamental breakdown of the free market dynamic of supply and demand. Oswalt's contract does not give the Cubs one iota of leverage to use to talk down Z's price and is therefore irrelevant to Z's negotiation. If Z wants full market someone will surely give it to him. If he takes less than full market value then it certainly won't be because Oswalt forced him to.

[Pushfrog98]

I think you guys miss my point. A few isolated instances of people selling their services below market value are not going to cause a fundamental breakdown of the free market dynamic of supply and demand. Oswalt's contract does not give the Cubs one iota of leverage to use to talk down Z's price and is therefore irrelevant to Z's negotiation. If Z wants full market someone will surely give it to him. If he takes less than full market value then it certainly won't be because Oswalt forced him to.

I don't disagree with you, but I honestly thing if Z REALLY WANTED to pitch for the Cubs, he'd take whatever legit offer we gave him. I know it would be rough to live on 15 million instead of 16 million (He'd have to wait another year before he could buy a small tropical island).

[CubColtPacer]

I think you guys miss my point. A few isolated instances of people selling their services below market value are not going to cause a fundamental breakdown of the free market dynamic of supply and demand. Oswalt's contract does not give the Cubs one iota of leverage to use to talk down Z's price and is therefore irrelevant to Z's negotiation. If Z wants full market someone will surely give it to him. If he takes less than full market value then it certainly won't be because Oswalt forced him to.

 

True, but the quote that was being disputed initially said that there was no way that the report was true because Z would never sign for that little because he could get more on the open market. They then just pointed out a couple of pitchers who took similar contracts-why can't Z do the same if reports say that he is close to doing just that?

[Rob]

To be fair, Carpenter was under contract cheap for the next couple years. Basically he signed a three-year extension for what his market rate would be, IIRC.

[Bruno7481]

From a Buster Olney chat today. He was asked if Zambrano would sign an extension with the Cubs. Here was his reply:

 

"Don't know for sure, but my educated guess is that Cubs fans could get an Opening Day surprise... an announcement that Zambrano has come to terms on a five-year deal, worth something in the range of $85 million. "

[C.C.]

From a Buster Olney chat today. He was asked if Zambrano would sign an extension with the Cubs. Here was his reply:

 

"Don't know for sure, but my educated guess is that Cubs fans could get an Opening Day surprise... an announcement that Zambrano has come to terms on a five-year deal, worth something in the range of $85 million. "

 

[Wheelimus]

Perfect. We don't have to commit to Zito years, and he gets a bigger deal than Oswalt coming out of arbitration years.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think you guys miss my point. A few isolated instances of people selling their services below market value are not going to cause a fundamental breakdown of the free market dynamic of supply and demand. Oswalt's contract does not give the Cubs one iota of leverage to use to talk down Z's price and is therefore irrelevant to Z's negotiation. If Z wants full market someone will surely give it to him. If he takes less than full market value then it certainly won't be because Oswalt forced him to.

I don't disagree with you, but I honestly thing if Z REALLY WANTED to pitch for the Cubs, he'd take whatever legit offer we gave him. I know it would be rough to live on 15 million instead of 16 million (He'd have to wait another year before he could buy a small tropical island).

 

I hate when I see stuff like this. It's arguing that you shouldn't have the power to negotiate for more money if you are A. happy where you are and B. richer than most people.

 

Why not look at it the other way? If the (far richer) Tribune Corporation REALLY WANTED Z, they'd take whatever legit offer Z came up with. I know it would be rough to live on 1.49 Billion instead of 1.5(They'd have to wait another week before having the GDP of the Dominican.)

[Pushfrog98]

I think you guys miss my point. A few isolated instances of people selling their services below market value are not going to cause a fundamental breakdown of the free market dynamic of supply and demand. Oswalt's contract does not give the Cubs one iota of leverage to use to talk down Z's price and is therefore irrelevant to Z's negotiation. If Z wants full market someone will surely give it to him. If he takes less than full market value then it certainly won't be because Oswalt forced him to.

I don't disagree with you, but I honestly thing if Z REALLY WANTED to pitch for the Cubs, he'd take whatever legit offer we gave him. I know it would be rough to live on 15 million instead of 16 million (He'd have to wait another year before he could buy a small tropical island).

 

I hate when I see stuff like this. It's arguing that you shouldn't have the power to negotiate for more money if you are A. happy where you are and B. richer than most people.

 

Why not look at it the other way? If the (far richer) Tribune Corporation REALLY WANTED Z, they'd take whatever legit offer Z came up with. I know it would be rough to live on 1.49 Billion instead of 1.5(They'd have to wait another week before having the GDP of the Dominican.)

I like your attitude! Good comeback as well. I see both sides on the argument, so it's tough for me to pick one... and when I finally do, you come up with a good counter... thanks! :-)

[bc2k]

I think you guys miss my point. A few isolated instances of people selling their services below market value are not going to cause a fundamental breakdown of the free market dynamic of supply and demand. Oswalt's contract does not give the Cubs one iota of leverage to use to talk down Z's price and is therefore irrelevant to Z's negotiation. If Z wants full market someone will surely give it to him. If he takes less than full market value then it certainly won't be because Oswalt forced him to.

I don't disagree with you, but I honestly thing if Z REALLY WANTED to pitch for the Cubs, he'd take whatever legit offer we gave him. I know it would be rough to live on 15 million instead of 16 million (He'd have to wait another year before he could buy a small tropical island).

 

I hate when I see stuff like this. It's arguing that you shouldn't have the power to negotiate for more money if you are A. happy where you are and B. richer than most people.

 

Why not look at it the other way? If the (far richer) Tribune Corporation REALLY WANTED Z, they'd take whatever legit offer Z came up with. I know it would be rough to live on 1.49 Billion instead of 1.5(They'd have to wait another week before having the GDP of the Dominican.)

 

How insightful. =D>

[sethuel1]

I don't care how rich I ever get, I will always negotiate for some extra income. Bite me anyone who says different.

[Roast]

I don't care how rich I ever get, I will always negotiate for some extra income. Bite me anyone who says different.

Hahaha...

 

 

 

 

 

so would i.

[Mark_R]

It's all a matter of everybody wanting to get paid what they feel they are worth.

 

Seth's right, nothing wrong with that.

[A New Era]

I don't care how rich I ever get, I will always negotiate for some extra income. Bite me anyone who says different.

 

That's it, you're outta here. Trade seth to Yankees for Arod!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm going to always sell myself to the highest bidder and then claim it's not about the money; it's because that company made me feel wanted.

[brinoch]

I'm going to always sell myself to the highest bidder and then claim it's not about the money; it's because that company made me feel wanted.

 

I'd buy that for a dollar!! [/obscure Robocop reference]

[BigbadB]

I've never understood why players are expected to give discounts to the team that they play for.

 

I think it's great if a player took a huge discount if it meant enough in savings to add another great player, which in turn would increase the chances of the team winning, but there aren't many unselfish players willing to do something like that. And the reason is, some of these guys won't have anything to fall back on once their baseball careers are over, so make as much as you can while you still can.

[CubinNY]

I've never understood why players are expected to give discounts to the team that they play for.

 

Because over the last 30 years we've been conditioned to believe that we are all just lucky to have a job and that unions are evil monsters who steal money and protect the incompetent. Hail Reagan!

 

It's the same way with the draft in football. The draft protects the teams not the players. It is the draft that rewards incompetent owners. All my friends were pissed at Eli Manning for not wanting to go to the Saints. While, I was of the opinion of, more powere to him.