Cubs sign DeRosa for 3 yrs/$13M

[wastra]

My hope is that Theriot is the other middle infielder, and Derosa is just insurance. But 3 year/$13m contract for a backup quality 2b?!?

 

 

Here we go again. :roll:

 

Can we fire Hendry now...PLEASE?

[JeffH]

Well that means we can only sign 2 more A-B type players.

 

How do you figure?

This should be interesting.

 

Vance?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Aren't we limited to signing 4 Type A or B FA's? Ramirez is one since his deal was signed on Sunday. DeRosa makes two. That leaves only two more.

[sherwood921]

 

So to summarize, his highest average is in 1/2 a season. Overall career numbers total ... .265

 

Not sure I would call that "outstanding stick work" :roll:

 

I don't think anyone here cares about batting average. You might as well cite his shoe size.

 

$20 says Craig Wilson has a better OBP than Derosa next year, smart guy.

 

Don't waste your $20

 

I'll put in $20 too. Seriously.

[oldcubsfan]

Aren't we limited to signing 4 Type A or B FA's? Ramirez is one since his deal was signed on Sunday. DeRosa makes two. That leaves only two more.

No, Ramirez isn't one. He never filed the paper work.. The offices of MLB are open M-F. He may have missed the exculsive deadline, but never filed. so, we still can sign 3 more.

 

Free agency isn't automatic, you must file.

Edited November 15, 2006 by oldcubsfan

[sonicdethmonkey0]

our primary second basemen the last couple of years have been todd walker, neifi perez, ronny cedeno/the riot, and now mark derosa. todd walker made the least (besides the rookies), produced the most, and we traded him for bumpkis.

 

the cubs have no idea what they're doing, and although i don't think derosa will be terrible, we paid him $4 mil for what will most likely be mediocrity. same with jock. same with pierre.

 

the song remains the same. remember, this is a 66 win team who is supposedly committed to turning it around in a hurry. this signing isn't going to hurt us drastically, but it isn't going to do a whole much to help. at all.

 

let's hear it for mediocrity.

[CubFanPhilly]

Well that means we can only sign 2 more A-B type players.

 

How do you figure?

This should be interesting.

 

Vance?

 

The CBA specifies a quota of A/B Free Agent signings. The quota is determined by the number of ABs available. Each team's quota is the GREATER of four or the number of Type A/B free agents they lose this offseason. The Cubs quota is four. Signing ARAM would not have counted against the Cubs' limit had they signed him during the exclusive negotiating period. It appears that the signing actually took place on Sunday and the signing counts as an A/B. DeRosa is a type B FA and also counts:

 

4- ARAM - DEROSA means the Cubs can sign only 2 TYPE A or TYPE B FAs this year. So you can scratch any Drew/Padilla/Lilly type scenarios.

 

Another reason this move stinks.

[UK1679666180]

Well that means we can only sign 2 more A-B type players.

 

How do you figure?

This should be interesting.

 

If there are 14 or less type A and B players available, no team may sign more than 1 type A or B player. If there are 15-38 available A and B players, no team may sign more than 2. From 39-62 this becomes 3. The club quota increases accordingly for higher totals of available free agents. There is no maximum allowed for type C free agents. Lastly, a team can sign up to as many type A and B free agents as they've lost, regardless of the above quota.

 

Interesting enough?

[JeffH]

Aren't we limited to signing 4 Type A or B FA's? Ramirez is one since his deal was signed on Sunday. DeRosa makes two. That leaves only two more.

 

I can't imagine Ramirez counts.

 

Imagine this scenario:

 

The arb deadline rolls around and Aramis still hasn't signed anywhere. The Cubs offer him arb and he accepts.

 

According to the old CBA, the Cubs signing "free agent" Ramirez in that way would not count against their quota.

 

Regardless, someone brings this up every offseason and it never, ever comes into play.

[CubFanPhilly]

Aren't we limited to signing 4 Type A or B FA's? Ramirez is one since his deal was signed on Sunday. DeRosa makes two. That leaves only two more.

No, Ramirez isn't one. He never filed the paper work.. The offices of MLB are open M-F. He may have missed the exculsive deadline, but never filed. so, we still can sign 3 more.

 

Free agency isn't automatic, you must file.

 

Ramierez filed a few days after the filing period opened. At least a week ago.

 

Ramirez files

[rjchapma]

I agree bout murton and Cedeno

[wastra]

DeRosa is better than the average hendry wet-dream player. I mean, he's only had one or two years with an OBP under .300. His .325-ish career OBP fits in nicely with our roster. ](*,)

[sweetpeteman]

Is there really a need for another thread?

[mhuber92211]

 

It's been way too frustrating for that. I just became an uncle today for the 3rd time and the wife and I officially became homeowners today, so Hendry isn't spoiling this day for me no matter what he does.

 

Welcome to the Cubs, Mark DeRosa.

 

Not to Thread steal but I am impressed B. To own a home right now in San Diego is a major accomplishment. Congrats and I am tremedously jealous. My wife and I can't afford one here in the San Jacinto valley much less SD. My biggest desire in life right now is to own a home.

 

Congrats on being an uncle too!

[JeffH]

 

It's been way too frustrating for that. I just became an uncle today for the 3rd time and the wife and I officially became homeowners today, so Hendry isn't spoiling this day for me no matter what he does.

 

Welcome to the Cubs, Mark DeRosa.

 

Not to Thread steal but I am impressed B. To own a home right now in San Diego is a major accomplishment. Congrats and I am tremedously jealous. My wife and I can't afford one here in the San Jacinto valley much less SD. My biggest desire in life right now is to own a home.

 

Congrats on being an uncle too!

 

Well, there's "owning" and then there's "owning".

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Mark DeRosa

Plays lots of positions, versatile

Can't hit righties to save his life

Can hit lefties a fair amount

Comfortably wrong side of 30

$1-2m for one year, $1.5-3m for two years

Bench guy you want to keep on the bench

 

Stupid Cubs. Again.

 

Diffusion!!!

[UMFan83]

So we get 3 type ABs just from the usual rules, and then we get 1 more because we will lose Pierre?

 

If thats the rule, why the hell did we trade Maddux and Walker away for nothing. We could have used their FA departures

[UK1679666180]

So we get 3 type ABs just from the usual rules, and then we get 1 more because we will lose Pierre?

 

If thats the rule, why the hell did we trade Maddux and Walker away for nothing. We could have used their FA departures

 

4 regardless of Pierre. For a team to get additional type A/B FAs they would have to lose 5 to get more than 4.

[CubFanPhilly]

Aren't we limited to signing 4 Type A or B FA's? Ramirez is one since his deal was signed on Sunday. DeRosa makes two. That leaves only two more.

 

I can't imagine Ramirez counts.

 

Imagine this scenario:

 

The arb deadline rolls around and Aramis still hasn't signed anywhere. The Cubs offer him arb and he accepts.

 

According to the old CBA, the Cubs signing "free agent" Ramirez in that way would not count against their quota.

 

Regardless, someone brings this up every offseason and it never, ever comes into play.

 

This is incorrect. Here's the language directly from the old CBA:

 

 

B. Free Agency

(1) Eligibility

Following the completion of the term of his Uniform Player’s

Contract, any Player with 6 or more years of Major League service

who has not executed a contract for the next succeeding season shall

be eligible to become a free agent, subject to and in accordance with

the provisions of this Section B.

(2) Procedure

The procedure set forth in this paragraph (2) shall apply to Players

eligible to become free agents pursuant to paragraph (1) above.

Players who otherwise become free agents under this Agreement

shall be eligible to negotiate and contract with any Club without

any restrictions or qualifications and the Clubs signing such free

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agents shall do so without regard to the quota provision of this

Section B.

 

(a) A Player eligible to become a free agent under paragraph

(1) above may give notice of his election of free agency within

the 15 day period beginning on October 15 (or the day following

the last game of the World Series, whichever is later). Election of

free agency shall be communicated by telephone or any other

method of communication by the Player to the Association. Written

notice of such election shall then be given within the specified

time limits by the Association, on behalf of the Player, to a

designated representative of the LRD and, effective upon receipt,

the Player shall become a free agent.

 

(b) During the period beginning on the day the Player

becomes a free agent and ending on the expiration of the free

agency election period as defined above in subparagraph (a), any

Club representative and any free agent or his representative may

talk with each other and discuss the merits of the free agent contracting,

when eligible therefor, with the Club, provided, however,

that the Club and the free agent shall not negotiate terms or

contract with each other. The following subjects are among those

which may properly be discussed between any Club and such

Player:

 

(i) the Player’s interest in playing for the Club, and the

Club’s interest in having the Player play for it;

(ii) the Club’s plans about how it intends to utilize the Player’s

services (as a starting pitcher or reliever, as a designated

hitter or not, platooning, etc.);

(iii) the advantages and disadvantages of playing for the

Club including the nature of the organization, the climate of

the city, availability of suitable housing, etc.;

(iv) length of contract;

(v) guarantee provisions;

(vi) no-trade or limited no-trade provisions.

 

Notwithstanding the foregoing, the free agent and his former

Club may engage in negotiations and enter into a contract during

said period. Should they enter into a contract during said period,

the Club shall be deemed not to have signed a free agent for purposes

of paragraph (5) of this Section B.

 

© Players who become free agents pursuant to this Section B

shall, upon compliance with the notice provisions of the above

subparagraph (a) and the expiration of the free agency election

period, be eligible to negotiate and contract with any Club, subject

to the provisions of this Section B.

 

(3) Rights of Former Club to Sign Free Agent

The following provision shall apply only to those Players who

become free agents under this Section B.

The former Club of a free agent, no later than by the December 7

following the free agency election period, may offer to proceed with

the Player to salary arbitration under Article VI of this Agreement,

for the next following season. The Club’s offer shall be communicated

to the LRD, which shall notify the Association in writing. Said

offer shall be effective upon receipt by the Association and the Club

will not be permitted to retract the offer. If the former Club of the

free agent does not so offer, it shall not be entitled and shall lose all

rights to negotiate with, and sign, the free agent, until the succeeding

May 1.

 

On or before December 19, the Player may accept the Club’s

offer to arbitrate. The Player’s acceptance shall be communicated to

the Association, which shall notify the LRD. The Player’s failure to

accept the Club’s offer on or before December 19 shall be deemed

to constitute rejection of the offer.

If the Player accepts the offer to arbitrate, he shall be a signed

player for the next season and the parties will conduct a salary arbitration

proceeding under Article VI, provided, however, that the

rules concerning maximum salary reduction set forth in Article VI

shall be inapplicable and the parties shall be required to exchange

figures on the last day established for the exchange of salary arbitration

figures under Article VI. The Club shall be deemed not to

have signed a free agent for purposes of paragraph (5) of this Sec-

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tion B when a Player accepts salary arbitration pursuant to this paragraph

(3).

If the Player does not accept the former Club’s offer to proceed

to salary arbitration as provided above, the former Club, after the

succeeding January 8, shall not be entitled and shall lose all rights

to negotiate with or sign the Player, until the succeeding May 1.

(4) Compensation

(a) The former Club of a Player who: (i) became a free agent

under this Section B; and (ii) ranks as a Type A, B or C Player as

defined below, shall be entitled to receive compensation subject to

the provisions of subparagraph © below. Such compensation shall

consist solely of the amateur draft choices described in subparagraph

© below and shall be awarded in the Major League Rule 4

Draft succeeding the Player’s election of free agency.

(b) A Type A, B or C Player shall be a Player who became a free

agent under this Section and who ranks as a Type A, B or C Player

under the statistical system of ranking Players set forth in the document

entitled “A Statistical System for the Ranking of Players,”

using statistics based on a two-year average for each respective position

group.

Type A Players: A Type A Player shall be a Player who ranks in

the upper thirty percent (30%) of his respective position group.

Type B Players: A Type B Player shall be a Player who ranks in

the upper fifty percent (50%) but not in the upper thirty percent

(30%) of his respective position group.

Type C Players: A Type C Player shall be a Player who ranks in

the upper sixty percent (60%) but not in the upper fifty percent

(50%) of his respective position group.

© A Type A, B or C Player shall be subject to compensation

only if (i) he is offered salary arbitration by his former Club on or

before December 7 pursuant to Section B(3) of this Article XX and

signs a contract with another Club; or (ii) he signs a contract with

another Club prior to December 7. Further, a Type C Player shall not

be subject to compensation if he (iii) has not signed a Uniform Player’s

Contract or reached agreement on terms as of the March 1 suc-

ceeding his election of free agency; or (iv) has previously elected

free agency under this Section B (or under Article XVII(B)(2) of the

1976 Basic Agreement, or under Article XVIII(B)(2) of the 1980

Basic Agreement as amended, or under Article XX(B)(2) of the

1990 Basic Agreement or under Article XX(B)(2) of the 1997 Basic

Agreement); or (v) has 12 or more years of credited Major League

service.

For such Type A Players, compensation to the Player’s former

Club shall be an amateur draft choice (“Regular Draft Choice”) of

the signing Club and an added amateur draft choice (“Special Draft

Choice”) in the Major League Rule 4 Draft. For such Type B Players,

compensation to the Player’s former Club shall be a Regular

Draft Choice of the signing Club in the Major League Rule 4 Draft.

For such Type C Players, compensation to the Player’s former Club

shall be a Special Draft Choice in the Major League Rule 4 Draft.

(d) The Regular Draft Choice of the signing Club described in

subparagraph © above shall be assigned as follows. If the signing

Club is among the first half of selecting Clubs, then the choice to be

assigned for the highest ranking free agent Player signed by such

Club shall be its second choice, with choices in the next following

rounds to be assigned as compensation for the signing of the other

Players in descending order of ranking. If the signing Club is among

the second half of selecting Clubs, then such compensation shall

begin with the Club’s first choice.

 

The Special Draft Choices described in subparagraph © above to

be awarded to the former Club shall be made as follows. If the Club

has lost a Type A Player, it shall be awarded an additional draft

choice to be made immediately following the first complete round

of the draft and preceding the commencement of the second round.

Clubs which have lost Type A Players shall make their choices in the

reverse order of their won-lost percentage in the preceding season.

Ties shall be broken by lot. If the Club has lost a Type C Player, it

shall be awarded a draft choice to be made immediately following

the second complete round of the draft and preceding the commencement

of the third round. Clubs which have lost Type C Players

shall make their choices in the reverse order of their won-lost

percentage in the preceding season. Ties shall be broken by lot.

 

(5) Quota

(a) Clubs shall be limited in the number of Type A and B Players,

as defined below, they may subsequently sign to contracts. The

number of signings permitted shall be related to the number of Players

electing free agency under this Section B. If there are 14 or less

such Players, no Club may sign more than one Type A or B Player.

If there are from 15 to 38 such Players, no Club may sign more than

two Type A or B Players. If there are from 39 to 62 such Players, no

Club may sign more than three Type A or B Players. If there are

more than 62 such Players, the Club quotas shall be increased

accordingly. There shall be no restrictions on the number of

unranked Players which a Club may sign to contracts.

(b) Irrespective of the provisions of subparagraph (a) above, a

Club shall be eligible to sign at least as many Type A and B Players

as it may have lost through Players having become free agents under

this Section at the close of the season just concluded. [/b]

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

So, we can either sign one more hitter and a one pitcher, or two more hitters and no pitchers, or two more pitchers of the A-B variety.

 

This move isn't as nice as it once seemed.

[erik316wttn]

 

Can we fire Hendry now...PLEASE?

 

 

But.... but... he's good because he re-signed Aramis!

[CubFanPhilly]

So we get 3 type ABs just from the usual rules, and then we get 1 more because we will lose Pierre?

 

If thats the rule, why the hell did we trade Maddux and Walker away for nothing. We could have used their FA departures

 

No. The quota for every ML team this year is 4 A/Bs. Unless a Club lost more than 4 A/Bs, then their limit is increased to the number they lost.

 

Maddux, Walker, and Pierre would've only been three type A/Bs lost.

[UK1679666180]

So, we can either sign one more hitter and a one pitcher, or two more hitters and no pitchers, or two more pitchers of the A-B variety.

 

This move isn't as nice as it once seemed.

 

The Cubs have 3 left at their disposal. There were more than 62 Type A/B FAs.

[Jon]

What a stupid move by Hendry. Quite typical, though. Way too many years and way too much money for an average at best player.

[questionmarkgrace]

I should get some sort of reward for reading all 34 pages in this thread. That said this isn't that bad of a signing the deal is a little excessive. But my thinking is that we overpaid the best utility guy in baseball to stay a utility guy and have a chance to start. Thats not so bad, Hendry hasn't given him the job yet But someone else would have gaurenteed it thats for sure. I think he'll be pretty productive and the move back to the N.L. will defintely help. The way contracts have gone in the last couple of years 4.3 mil may be a steal for what Derosa provides us. Everyone loves Todd Walker and this guy is younger, a better defender, and possesses similar offensive skills.

 

Also please stop with the JD Drew man love. I like the guy too but he is not the end all cure all. Especially in cf, where he hasn't played since 1999. If we get him great if not no more whining.