Cubs sign DeRosa for 3 yrs/$13M

[jjgman21]

I've been a Hendry apologist before, but this is just [expletive].

 

I can't wait until he's saying "we thought we made an attractive offer" to the big outfielders or some decent pitching and don't get it done because he way overpaid to make a part time player a full time player at a position that the system probably is deepest at.

 

I'd rather have a combination of Izturis/Cedeno/Bynum and Soriano/Lee/Drew and a number two than DeRosa and Juan Pierre and a couple number threes. and actually that's a false choice because you can just stick Theriot there and get similar production.

 

and if that's over reacting, fine. it's not over reacting to say this blows a chance to get Craig Wilson, who would have improved the team a helluva lot more.

 

this is just dumb and will screw the rest of the off season acquisitions.

[TruffleShuffle]

I guess to reiterate my point from the mark derosa thread - signing a guy like Mark DeRosa to a 3 year, $13M contract is not going to cripple a team.

 

Not crippling a team is no defense for a bad contract. The problem is Hendry tends to find multiples versions of this contract, which tend to not cripple on their own, but when combined together, hurt the team significantly.

 

I don't give a crap if he doesn't cripple the team. You don't go into the offseason looking for guys who won't cripple the team. You look for guys that will help a bad team get significantly better.

 

yeah, and I'm sure the Cubs are working on that. The guys you're talking about are not going to cost $4M per year.

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

If the Cubs win the WS next year, there are people on here that will complain that they should have won it in 6 instead of 7 games.

 

Some people just will never stop being critical. The Cubs sucked last year, we all know that. Let's hope DeRosa will help.

 

What is this garbage? Why can't a person be critical of a signing that sends lots of money to a utility player who is reportedly going to try and be the everyday 2B without being accused of always being critical? Do you seriously not see the potential downside risk to this signing? It's at least as strong as any upside opportunity.

 

The point it simple, it appears some posters favorite pastime is being critical of anything and everything the Cubs do. If that is ones style, more power to you.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The point it simple, it appears some posters favorite pastime is being critical of anything and everything the Cubs do. If that is ones style, more power to you.

 

I guess you missed Sunday, when everyone was oh-so-critical of Aramis and Kerry re-signing.

[Wheelimus]

Overpaying by about one million to one and a half million per year. Forgiveable.

 

Overpaying for three years. Stupid, but forgiveable.

 

In the big picture of our offseason? Just about meaningless. Riot or DeRosa would likely put up similiar numbers. It sucks that $4 mil is gone, but it's just 4 out of 115 or 120. Life goes on.

 

So long as he isn't promised the job and has to work for it, not a big deal. I just hope Uncle Lou will give the job to the better man.

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

I've been a Hendry apologist before, but this is just [expletive].

 

I can't wait until he's saying "we thought we made an attractive offer" to the big outfielders or some decent pitching and don't get it done because he way overpaid to make a part time player a full time player at a position that the system probably is deepest at.

 

I'd rather have a combination of Izturis/Cedeno/Bynum and Soriano/Lee/Drew and a number two than DeRosa and Juan Pierre and a couple number threes. and actually that's a false choice because you can just stick Theriot there and get similar production.

 

and if that's over reacting, fine. it's not over reacting to say this blows a chance to get Craig Wilson, who would have improved the team a helluva lot more.

 

this is just dumb and will screw the rest of the off season acquisitions.

 

What? Craig Wilson? The same Craig Wilson that sat on the Yankee bench at the end of the season?

 

Wilson's 06 numbers: AVG .251 | HR 17 | RBI 49 | OBP .314 | SLG .446

[Pinktermite]

Then someone missed saturday night when the deadline passed, and people were sharpening their pitchforks and calibrating their rifle scopes.

 

Clearly there are people on here that do nothing but shoot holes in anything the Cubs do.

 

Craig Wilson??? What are you kidding me?

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

The point it simple, it appears some posters favorite pastime is being critical of anything and everything the Cubs do. If that is ones style, more power to you.

 

I guess you missed Sunday, when everyone was oh-so-critical of Aramis and Kerry re-signing.

 

Nope, I was around! Good signing on both ends!

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Then someone missed saturday night when the deadline passed, and people were sharpening their pitchforks and calibrating their rifle scopes.

 

Clearly there are people on here that do nothing but shoot holes in anything the Cubs do.

 

Craig Wilson??? What are you kidding me?

 

And those same people seemed rather ecstatic at the Cubs getting the deal done. The statement was that certain posters criticize *any and every* move the Cubs make...I saw two examples of that being false on Sunday.

[jjgman21]

I've been a Hendry apologist before, but this is just [expletive].

 

I can't wait until he's saying "we thought we made an attractive offer" to the big outfielders or some decent pitching and don't get it done because he way overpaid to make a part time player a full time player at a position that the system probably is deepest at.

 

I'd rather have a combination of Izturis/Cedeno/Bynum and Soriano/Lee/Drew and a number two than DeRosa and Juan Pierre and a couple number threes. and actually that's a false choice because you can just stick Theriot there and get similar production.

 

and if that's over reacting, fine. it's not over reacting to say this blows a chance to get Craig Wilson, who would have improved the team a helluva lot more.

 

this is just dumb and will screw the rest of the off season acquisitions.

 

What? Craig Wilson? The same Craig Wilson that sat on the Yankee bench at the end of the season?

 

Wilson's 06 numbers: AVG .251 | HR 17 | RBI 49 | OBP .314 | SLG .446

 

jackassical. throw away six years of outstanding stick work because of 100 abs after becoming a Yankee.

[kujay]

I don't think this is going to make the difference in whether or not Hendry nabs Soriano or any decent SPs.

 

This was a good pickup. Possibly a bit too much money, but it ain't mine.

[JeffH]

May I assume that someone did the "BABIP analysis post" on DeRosa earlier in this thread?

[jjgman21]

to all the critics,

 

.395/.543/.938

 

sure would suck to have a hitter who's done that in his career against lefties platooning in right with Jacque, wouldn't it.

 

hell, his .338/.455/.793 against righties stacks up with DeRosa's career best stats, plus he plays five positions, and the five positions we need backup at.

Edited November 15, 2006 by jjgman21

[TruffleShuffle]

I can't wait until the Red Sox sign Drew and everyone blames this signing as the reason the Cubs didn't sign him.

[CUBZ99]

May I assume that someone did the "BABIP analysis post" on DeRosa earlier in this thread?

 

Yes, I think it was .348 of something like that.

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

I've been a Hendry apologist before, but this is just [expletive].

 

I can't wait until he's saying "we thought we made an attractive offer" to the big outfielders or some decent pitching and don't get it done because he way overpaid to make a part time player a full time player at a position that the system probably is deepest at.

 

I'd rather have a combination of Izturis/Cedeno/Bynum and Soriano/Lee/Drew and a number two than DeRosa and Juan Pierre and a couple number threes. and actually that's a false choice because you can just stick Theriot there and get similar production.

 

and if that's over reacting, fine. it's not over reacting to say this blows a chance to get Craig Wilson, who would have improved the team a helluva lot more.

 

this is just dumb and will screw the rest of the off season acquisitions.

 

What? Craig Wilson? The same Craig Wilson that sat on the Yankee bench at the end of the season?

 

Wilson's 06 numbers: AVG .251 | HR 17 | RBI 49 | OBP .314 | SLG .446

 

jackassical. throw away six years of outstanding stick work because of

100 abs after becoming a Yankee.

 

I still don't think we are talking about the same Craig Wilson, perhaps you know of one that I am not aware of.

 

2001 .310 in 88 games

2002 .264 in 131 games

2003 .262 in 116 games

2004 .264 in 155 games

2005 .264 in 59 games

2006 .212 in 40 games (yankees)

2006 .267 in 85 games (pirates)

 

So to summarize, his highest average is in 1/2 a season. Overall career numbers total ... .265

 

Not sure I would call that "outstanding stick work" :roll:

[jmajew]

I just saw this since I've been gone preparing for my new job tomorrow and I can't believe it. Derosa would be a great utility player or platoon partner for Jones but I just don't think he has a right starting everyday at 2b. We already had Theriot who is basically the exact same thing and doesn't cost 4 million a year.

 

I have a few questions which i'm hoping someone can answer for me. First, does this mean we are no longer looking into signing Julio Lugo? Second, what does this mean for Theriot? Third, is Cedeno definitely gone now? Fourth, where will Derosa bat in the lineup? Lastly, do we know of what other teams were offering him?

 

Sorry if some of this has alreayd been asked I didn't feel like reading the entire thread.

Edited November 15, 2006 by jmajew

[jjgman21]

I can't wait until the Red Sox sign Drew and everyone blames this signing as the reason the Cubs didn't sign him.

 

I already have and I'll be happy to be wrong. I will fully admit it. It took me a long time to turn, but this signing is dumb.

 

where will you be when we here the "we thought we made an attractive offer" line?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I don't have time to read all 21 pages....

 

so forgive me if I cover already covered territory.

 

First of all, this is too much to pay for DeRosa. I don't mind him as an option for the bench. I don't like him for a starter.

 

If we unloaded Izturis, I'd like this move a little more. Right now, we're wasting nearly 10 million on Izturis and Derosa. That's not good.

 

If Derosa is going to start, I'd rather it be at SS and not second.

[TruffleShuffle]

So to summarize, his highest average is in 1/2 a season. Overall career numbers total ... .265

 

Not sure I would call that "outstanding stick work" :roll:

 

never mind the power and the ability to get on base

[VanceJergins]

There is no way that this was a great signing, but we dont know what the thinking is. Maybe the thinking is to have him split time with an aging Durham, or maybe even a somewhat injury prone Drew. Maybe split time with Therior while also starting for Jones against some lefties.

 

4 million a year is too much, but if used right he could be pretty valuable. I wont say it was a bad signing til we find out for sure what role he'll play, but again, there's no way this was a great deal. If used right, the Cubs are better today than they were yesterday, just not $4 million better.

[mg420]

believe it or not jim hendry has a little more riding on 2007 and beyond than we do. if the cubs tank again, it will suck but it's not anything we haven't been through before. meanwhile, he will most likely be out of a job. after 2003, i have learned to go with the flow when it comes to the cubs. it only builds frustration because nothing anyone says or does here will ever have the slightest effect on what the cubs do or dont do.

[TruffleShuffle]

I can't wait until the Red Sox sign Drew and everyone blames this signing as the reason the Cubs didn't sign him.

 

I already have and I'll be happy to be wrong. I will fully admit it. It took me a long time to turn, but this signing is dumb.

 

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[Butterscup1679666578]

I've been a Hendry apologist before, but this is just [expletive].

 

I can't wait until he's saying "we thought we made an attractive offer" to the big outfielders or some decent pitching and don't get it done because he way overpaid to make a part time player a full time player at a position that the system probably is deepest at.

 

I'd rather have a combination of Izturis/Cedeno/Bynum and Soriano/Lee/Drew and a number two than DeRosa and Juan Pierre and a couple number threes. and actually that's a false choice because you can just stick Theriot there and get similar production.

 

and if that's over reacting, fine. it's not over reacting to say this blows a chance to get Craig Wilson, who would have improved the team a helluva lot more.

 

this is just dumb and will screw the rest of the off season acquisitions.

 

What? Craig Wilson? The same Craig Wilson that sat on the Yankee bench at the end of the season?

 

Wilson's 06 numbers: AVG .251 | HR 17 | RBI 49 | OBP .314 | SLG .446

 

jackassical. throw away six years of outstanding stick work because of

100 abs after becoming a Yankee.

 

I still don't think we are talking about the same Craig Wilson, perhaps you know of one that I am not aware of.

 

2001 .310 in 88 games

2002 .264 in 131 games

2003 .262 in 116 games

2004 .264 in 155 games

2005 .264 in 59 games

2006 .212 in 40 games (yankees)

2006 .267 in 85 games (pirates)

 

So to summarize, his highest average is in 1/2 a season. Overall career numbers total ... .265

 

Not sure I would call that "outstanding stick work" :roll:

 

Craig Wilson OPS

 

2001 - .979

2002 - .798

2003 - .871

2004 - .853

2005 - .808

2006 - .760

 

Career: .834

[rocket]

I've been a Hendry apologist before, but this is just [expletive].

 

I can't wait until he's saying "we thought we made an attractive offer" to the big outfielders or some decent pitching and don't get it done because he way overpaid to make a part time player a full time player at a position that the system probably is deepest at.

 

I'd rather have a combination of Izturis/Cedeno/Bynum and Soriano/Lee/Drew and a number two than DeRosa and Juan Pierre and a couple number threes. and actually that's a false choice because you can just stick Theriot there and get similar production.

 

and if that's over reacting, fine. it's not over reacting to say this blows a chance to get Craig Wilson, who would have improved the team a helluva lot more.

 

this is just dumb and will screw the rest of the off season acquisitions.

 

What? Craig Wilson? The same Craig Wilson that sat on the Yankee bench at the end of the season?

 

Wilson's 06 numbers: AVG .251 | HR 17 | RBI 49 | OBP .314 | SLG .446

 

jackassical. throw away six years of outstanding stick work because of

100 abs after becoming a Yankee.

 

I still don't think we are talking about the same Craig Wilson, perhaps you know of one that I am not aware of.

 

2001 .310 in 88 games

2002 .264 in 131 games

2003 .262 in 116 games

2004 .264 in 155 games

2005 .264 in 59 games

2006 .212 in 40 games (yankees)

2006 .267 in 85 games (pirates)

 

So to summarize, his highest average is in 1/2 a season. Overall career numbers total ... .265

 

Not sure I would call that "outstanding stick work" :roll:

 

because we all know that batting average alone is a great way to judge a hitter