Cubs sign DeRosa for 3 yrs/$13M

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

Much, much better than Cedeno!

 

Anyone verify where he hit in the order? I thought he hit 5th most of the year?

[Flames24Rulz]

Anyone upset with this signing and in favor of signing Soriano is a hypocrite. DeRosa is Soriano on a lesser scale.

 

I don't know how you can say that. DeRosa averages what, 10 homers and 50 RBI's a season? Soriano can triple his HR totals and he can double DeRosa's RBIs. Average and OBP wise, he matches up with Soriano, but that's about it.

[CubColtPacer]

Much, much better than Cedeno!

 

Anyone verify where he hit in the order? I thought he hit 5th most of the year?

 

5th and 6th were by far his two primary spots.

[CUBZ99]

If he puts up similar numbers to last year I'm not going to complain much about the contract. But that is a pretty a big IF.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Anyone upset with this signing and in favor of signing Soriano is a hypocrite. DeRosa is Soriano on a lesser scale.

 

I don't know how you can say that. DeRosa averages what, 10 homers and 50 RBI's a season? Soriano can triple his HR totals and he can double DeRosa's RBIs. Average and OBP wise, he matches up with Soriano, but that's about it.

 

You missed the point. DeRosa was crappy for two years then good for one, and now he's getting paid like a good player. Soriano was good for two years and great for one, and people are clamoring for him to get paid like a great player.

[A New Era]

havent read all of the pages but i am curious why evryone takes derosa's stats from last year and calls them a fluke but when you talk about theriot you think he can produce at the same level he did last year for a small amount of time. without looking i am pretty sure last year was a career year for theriot compared to his minor league stats.

 

Theriot will certainly regress, but he's young enough to be learning still. Derosa will be 32 next February. He's not going to get any better.

 

Bingo.

 

BINGO! AGREED! WHAMMO!! You've WON a new CAR!! Overexaggerate any? It's common knowledge, not some spectacular secret.

[Shilzzz]

If he puts up similar numbers to last year I'm not going to complain much about the contract. But that is a pretty a big IF.

 

very very doubtful.

 

please platoon!

[CUBZ99]

Much, much better than Cedeno!

 

Anyone verify where he hit in the order? I thought he hit 5th most of the year?

 

DeRosa provides the Cubs with some insurance, if one of their key players get injured this year. By having a guy that can play so many positions, it will allow Hendry to call up the best available replacement and move DeRosa around if necessary.

 

On a side note, does this signing mean that the Cubs don't have Eric Patterson in their future plans?

[Vinestal]

Much, much better than Cedeno!

 

Anyone verify where he hit in the order? I thought he hit 5th most of the year?

 

DeRosa provides the Cubs with some insurance, if one of their key players get injured this year. By having a guy that can play so many positions, it will allow Hendry to call up the best available replacement and move DeRosa around if necessary.

 

On a side note, does this signing mean that the Cubs don't have Eric Patterson in their future plans?

 

Quite the contrary I think Derosa gives them a 2nd baseman that they can push into a utility roll easily when they decided Eric is ready.

[CubColtPacer]

If he puts up similar numbers to last year I'm not going to complain much about the contract. But that is a pretty a big IF.

 

If he puts up numbers like last year his contract for a second baseman will be very, very good. Of course, like you said he is not likely going to match his numbers. How far can he drop and still be market value? 40-50 points maybe? From looking around most of the 2nd basemen in the league in their contracts, that seems about right-let's hope he can reach there at least.

[sonicdethmonkey0]

havent read all of the pages but i am curious why evryone takes derosa's stats from last year and calls them a fluke but when you talk about theriot you think he can produce at the same level he did last year for a small amount of time. without looking i am pretty sure last year was a career year for theriot compared to his minor league stats.

 

Theriot will certainly regress, but he's young enough to be learning still. Derosa will be 32 next February. He's not going to get any better.

 

Bingo.

 

BINGO! AGREED! WHAMMO!! You've WON a new CAR!! Overexaggerate any? It's common knowledge, not some spectacular secret.

 

what

[CUBZ99]

Anyone upset with this signing and in favor of signing Soriano is a hypocrite. DeRosa is Soriano on a lesser scale.

 

I don't know how you can say that. DeRosa averages what, 10 homers and 50 RBI's a season? Soriano can triple his HR totals and he can double DeRosa's RBIs. Average and OBP wise, he matches up with Soriano, but that's about it.

 

You missed the point. DeRosa was crappy for two years then good for one, and now he's getting paid like a good player. Soriano was good for two years and great for one, and people are clamoring for him to get paid like a great player.

 

Not to nitpick TT, but he is not getting paid like a great player. $4.3MM is not chump change, but it will hardly be a huge drag on the payroll in future years. Also, is there any indication that DeRosa did something different last year that helped him turn the corner? His numbers last year are pretty significant improvements and while his last 100abs were pretty bad, he sustained pretty good numbers for the majority of the year.

[KingCubsFan]

After the Cedeno disaster last year I'm surprised so many people are ready to hand hand the keys to Theriot, when Ronny's numbers in limited action in 05 were alot like Theriot's numbers in 06. I don't think Hendry wants to risk a similar situation in a lineup with so many questions, and DeRosa is a safer bet. I agree he paid too much, but its not a terrible move.

A safer bet would be Lugo, Durham, Giles not DeRosa.

These would also be much more expensive options. Considering how many more players we need, we couldn't afford to spend 7-10 million on a 2b, or trade significant talent for Giles. As for Theriot, I don't like handing 27 year olds with a career slugging percentage in the minors of .337 starting jobs, not to mention the fact that DeRosa hit more homeruns in July and August of last year than Theriot has in his entire career spanning over 600 games. Theriot gets on base at a decent rate, but he shouldn't be a starter simply because he put up an OBP over .350 IN THE MINORS. Not a great signing, but better than Neifi.

[Derwood]

havent read all of the pages but i am curious why evryone takes derosa's stats from last year and calls them a fluke but when you talk about theriot you think he can produce at the same level he did last year for a small amount of time. without looking i am pretty sure last year was a career year for theriot compared to his minor league stats.

 

Theriot will certainly regress, but he's young enough to be learning still. Derosa will be 32 next February. He's not going to get any better.

 

Bingo.

 

I'm going to be 32 in February too. So long golden years!

[CoolHandLuke]

Anyone upset with this signing and in favor of signing Soriano is a hypocrite. DeRosa is Soriano on a lesser scale.

 

I don't know how you can say that. DeRosa averages what, 10 homers and 50 RBI's a season? Soriano can triple his HR totals and he can double DeRosa's RBIs. Average and OBP wise, he matches up with Soriano, but that's about it.

 

You missed the point. DeRosa was crappy for two years then good for one, and now he's getting paid like a good player. Soriano was good for two years and great for one, and people are clamoring for him to get paid like a great player.

 

Not to nitpick TT, but he is not getting paid like a great player. $4.3MM is not chump change, but it will hardly be a huge drag on the payroll in future years. Also, is there any indication that DeRosa did something different last year that helped him turn the corner? His numbers last year are pretty significant improvements and while his last 100abs were pretty bad, he sustained pretty good numbers for the majority of the year.

 

he was referring to soriano

[A New Era]

havent read all of the pages but i am curious why evryone takes derosa's stats from last year and calls them a fluke but when you talk about theriot you think he can produce at the same level he did last year for a small amount of time. without looking i am pretty sure last year was a career year for theriot compared to his minor league stats.

 

Theriot will certainly regress, but he's young enough to be learning still. Derosa will be 32 next February. He's not going to get any better.

 

Bingo.

 

BINGO! AGREED! WHAMMO!! You've WON a new CAR!! Overexaggerate any? It's common knowledge, not some spectacular secret.

 

what

 

Sorry. I've been reading this WHOLE thread. All the arguing tends to get on my nerves. And I hate it when someone simply says the word, BINGO!! Wohooo!! yeah, BINGO! My appologies to sockerk.

[Flames24Rulz]

Anyone upset with this signing and in favor of signing Soriano is a hypocrite. DeRosa is Soriano on a lesser scale.

 

I don't know how you can say that. DeRosa averages what, 10 homers and 50 RBI's a season? Soriano can triple his HR totals and he can double DeRosa's RBIs. Average and OBP wise, he matches up with Soriano, but that's about it.

 

You missed the point. DeRosa was crappy for two years then good for one, and now he's getting paid like a good player. Soriano was good for two years and great for one, and people are clamoring for him to get paid like a great player.

 

Soriano has had good numbers for 4 of his 6 full-time years in the big leagues. The only years that he struggled were his rookie year, where he only had an OBP of .304 and his final year with Texas where he had an OBP of .309. While those are pretty crappy years, the other 4 years have been pretty decent for Soriano. While last year was his highest in terms of OBP and HR's, he had three seasons with a higher average.

 

Soriano deserves to get paid...maybe not $16 million a year money, but he's going to get that nonetheless because teams are going to be desperate to add a guy that can not only hit for power, but be a threat on the basepaths.

 

DeRosa meanwhile has only had 1 good season in his career. I just think comparing Soriano and DeRosa is comparing apples to oranges.

[USSoccer]

Much, much better than Cedeno!

 

Anyone verify where he hit in the order? I thought he hit 5th most of the year?

 

DeRosa provides the Cubs with some insurance, if one of their key players get injured this year. By having a guy that can play so many positions, it will allow Hendry to call up the best available replacement and move DeRosa around if necessary.

 

On a side note, does this signing mean that the Cubs don't have Eric Patterson in their future plans?

 

Quite the contrary I think Derosa gives them a 2nd baseman that they can push into a utility roll easily when they decided Eric is ready.

 

$4.3m. For a utility player.

 

That's wasteful.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Anyone upset with this signing and in favor of signing Soriano is a hypocrite. DeRosa is Soriano on a lesser scale.

 

I don't know how you can say that. DeRosa averages what, 10 homers and 50 RBI's a season? Soriano can triple his HR totals and he can double DeRosa's RBIs. Average and OBP wise, he matches up with Soriano, but that's about it.

 

You missed the point. DeRosa was crappy for two years then good for one, and now he's getting paid like a good player. Soriano was good for two years and great for one, and people are clamoring for him to get paid like a great player.

 

Not to nitpick TT, but he is not getting paid like a great player. $4.3MM is not chump change, but it will hardly be a huge drag on the payroll in future years. Also, is there any indication that DeRosa did something different last year that helped him turn the corner? His numbers last year are pretty significant improvements and while his last 100abs were pretty bad, he sustained pretty good numbers for the majority of the year.

 

The bolded was talking about Soriano.

 

DeRosa had a career year, his struggles at the end of the year point towards it as does his astronomically abnormal BABIP. My hope is that Jaramillo helped him with something to get an increase in power, and that it sticks with Jackson's tutelage. That combined with a slightly lucky BABIP season could possibly get a .270/.330/.430 out of DeRosa.

[wolf stansson]

$4.3m. For a utility player.

 

That's wasteful.

Especially when you have a guy who can do as good or better for $500,000.

[b_wiggy_66]

People. People. I understand that he gave him to much money, but we still have around $40 Mil. to spend this offseason. He will make a few trades and sign some more players. If he did this to trade Theriot or Cedeno for a pitcher it is a good move. We need pitching and I don't think that Theriot or Cedeno will ever be great. So sign someone who is versatile.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Anyone upset with this signing and in favor of signing Soriano is a hypocrite. DeRosa is Soriano on a lesser scale.

 

I don't know how you can say that. DeRosa averages what, 10 homers and 50 RBI's a season? Soriano can triple his HR totals and he can double DeRosa's RBIs. Average and OBP wise, he matches up with Soriano, but that's about it.

 

You missed the point. DeRosa was crappy for two years then good for one, and now he's getting paid like a good player. Soriano was good for two years and great for one, and people are clamoring for him to get paid like a great player.

 

Soriano has had good numbers for 4 of his 6 full-time years in the big leagues. The only years that he struggled were his rookie year, where he only had an OBP of .304 and his final year with Texas where he had an OBP of .309. While those are pretty crappy years, the other 4 years have been pretty decent for Soriano. While last year was his highest in terms of OBP and HR's, he had three seasons with a higher average.

 

Soriano deserves to get paid...maybe not $16 million a year money, but he's going to get that nonetheless because teams are going to be desperate to add a guy that can not only hit for power, but be a threat on the basepaths.

 

DeRosa meanwhile has only had 1 good season in his career. I just think comparing Soriano and DeRosa is comparing apples to oranges.

 

I think you need to read the post again, I don't know how else to rephrase it than what I just said.

 

DeRosa was crappy for two years then good for one, and now he's getting paid like a good player. Soriano was good for two years and great for one, and people are clamoring for him to get paid like a great player.

[TruffleShuffle]

$4.3m. For a utility player.

 

That's wasteful.

Especially when you have a guy who can do as good or better for $500,000.

 

Theriot might do as well or better. Probably not, though.

[CubColtPacer]

Anyone upset with this signing and in favor of signing Soriano is a hypocrite. DeRosa is Soriano on a lesser scale.

 

I don't know how you can say that. DeRosa averages what, 10 homers and 50 RBI's a season? Soriano can triple his HR totals and he can double DeRosa's RBIs. Average and OBP wise, he matches up with Soriano, but that's about it.

 

You missed the point. DeRosa was crappy for two years then good for one, and now he's getting paid like a good player. Soriano was good for two years and great for one, and people are clamoring for him to get paid like a great player.

 

Not to nitpick TT, but he is not getting paid like a great player. $4.3MM is not chump change, but it will hardly be a huge drag on the payroll in future years. Also, is there any indication that DeRosa did something different last year that helped him turn the corner? His numbers last year are pretty significant improvements and while his last 100abs were pretty bad, he sustained pretty good numbers for the majority of the year.

 

The bolded was talking about Soriano.

 

DeRosa had a career year, his struggles at the end of the year point towards it as does his astronomically abnormal BABIP. My hope is that Jaramillo helped him with something to get an increase in power, and that it sticks with Jackson's tutelage. That combined with a slightly lucky BABIP season could possibly get a .270/.330/.430 out of DeRosa.

 

I would be happy with that season out of DeRosa. That would still put him among the top half of 2nd basemen in OPS, and his contract would be comparable to those around that number also. We will just have to see if he can get there or better or not.

[mg420]

$4.3m. For a utility player.

 

That's wasteful.

Especially when you have a guy who can do as good or better for $500,000.

 

Theriot might do as well or better. Probably not, though.

whose to say that derosa won't start at 2nd and theriot start at ss?